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Damn_Underscore
02/04/21 9:39:30 PM
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They would be arrested for that if they tried it anywhere else LOL

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MabusIncarnate
02/04/21 9:40:36 PM
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Someone said in another topic that all they do is hug and wrestle around until someone falls

https://youtu.be/GmfhgwZSjWM

Uh, nope.

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Returning_CEmen
02/04/21 9:42:29 PM
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If they do that in the NBA they are called thugs and bad role models. When they do this in NHL its just part of the game.
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VipaGTS
02/04/21 9:43:01 PM
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I dont even get why. It adds nothing to the game itself.

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hockeybub89
02/04/21 9:43:18 PM
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I can't believe they let NFL players spear each other. Imagine if you assaulted someone on the street like that.

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Joeydollaz
02/04/21 9:43:53 PM
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OP

It is all scripted fights


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Flauros
02/04/21 9:45:55 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
If they do that in the NBA they are called thugs and bad role models. When they do this in NHL its just part of the game.
NBA is nothing but floppers and cheap shots.

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Master Kazuya
02/04/21 9:46:42 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
If they do that in the NBA they are called thugs and bad role models. When they do this in NHL its just part of the game.


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MabusIncarnate
02/04/21 9:47:31 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
I dont even get why. It adds nothing to the game itself.
It's a momentum changer, if a goon takes a run at your skilled player, it's your team's way of protecting that player saying you are gonna get a walloping if you do it again, same with protecting your goaltender. It amps up the crowd and creates rivalries. A lot of the time if it's a slow, boring 0-0 game into the 2nd or 3rd and two big boys drop the gloves, it energizes the building and suddenly everyone is skating faster again, amping up the hitting and entertainment value of the game. It has it's place and reasoning.

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BilalPowell
02/04/21 9:48:13 PM
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It's a good way to keep warm in that cold arena. NBA players don't have to worry about that because arenas are kept warmer for basketball since they dont have to worry about ice.

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MabusIncarnate
02/04/21 9:49:42 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
If they do that in the NBA they are called thugs and bad role models. When they do this in NHL its just part of the game.
There is a 5 minute penalty in hockey for fighting, making fighting permitted within the rules to do so, you will just be penalized. The NBA doesn't permit fighting. So yes, it's part of the NHL because in the rules you are allowed to. It's not part of the NBA because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that you can fight. It's not that hard to understand.

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hockeybub89
02/04/21 9:50:32 PM
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Fighting happens a lot less these days anyway. Paying and dressing a goon just isn't worth it now.

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shironinja
02/04/21 9:50:45 PM
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It's part of the game and a lot of it is really just for show. If they both drop the gloves...

https://youtu.be/0_qShAZg2Zw

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CanuckCowboy
02/04/21 9:51:56 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
There is a 5 minute penalty in hockey for fighting, making fighting permitted within the rules to do so, you will just be penalized. The NBA doesn't permit fighting. So yes, it's part of the NHL because in the rules you are allowed to. It's not part of the NBA because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that you can fight. It's not that hard to understand.

This.

There's also the instigator penalty (which is fucking bs imo). Hockey is a brutal game compared to basketball.

The instigator penalty provly resulted in more serious injuries.... a suspension is well and good but having a big ass goon smash your face for a cheap hit is a much more immediate deterrent.


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shironinja
02/04/21 9:53:48 PM
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Wayne Gretzky scored 894 career goals but only had 2 fights.

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ShineboxPhil
02/04/21 9:53:50 PM
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i just saw that simmonds vs benn fight and you can see simmonds pat benn on the shoulder when the refs broke them up

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Guerrilla Soldier
02/04/21 9:55:23 PM
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because if there weren't any fights, it would be the most boring sport, even behind baseball

you have to add entertainment to it, somehow

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CanuckCowboy
02/04/21 9:55:28 PM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
i just saw that simmonds vs benn fight and you can see simmonds pat benn on the shoulder when the refs broke them up

The Laraque video where he was micd up and kept saying "are you sure you wanna do this? Really?" Before finally fighting the guy was amazing.

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Infinite 2003
02/04/21 9:55:38 PM
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This aint basketball. This is a mans game.

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BilalPowell
02/04/21 9:55:43 PM
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shironinja posted...
Wayne Gretzky scored 894 career goals but only had 2 fights.
The good players dont fight because the team doesnt want them to get injured.

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MabusIncarnate
02/04/21 9:55:51 PM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
i just saw that simmonds vs benn fight and you can see simmonds pat benn on the shoulder when the refs broke them up
Most of the fights are agreed on beforehand, as both players need to drop the gloves to basically say yeah, I agree to fight you. There's a respect to it, and you see this a lot after a fight, either a shoulder tap or a fist bump.

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BudDupree48
02/04/21 9:56:23 PM
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It's respect and for a morale boost. You just hope you don't put someone to sleep and they fall on their face in the ice like Aaron asham vs Jay Beagle (it's been a while)

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shironinja
02/04/21 9:56:47 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
The good players dont fight because the team doesnt want them to get injured.

That's true. So you get these enforcer / goon guys who basically it's their job to stir the pot.

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hockeybub89
02/04/21 10:01:43 PM
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shironinja posted...
Wayne Gretzky scored 894 career goals but only had 2 fights.
You miss 100 percent of shots in the penalty box.

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Legato-and-Vash
02/04/21 10:13:45 PM
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Slightly off topic, but I just remembered...didn't someone get their jugular sliced?

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hockeybub89
02/04/21 10:15:52 PM
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Legato-and-Vash posted...
Slightly off topic, but I just remembered...didn't someone get their jugular sliced?
Clint Malarchuk got kicked in the neck in the 80s, yes.

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CanuckCowboy
02/04/21 10:16:11 PM
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Legato-and-Vash posted...
Slightly off topic, but I just remembered...didn't someone get their jugular sliced?

Clint malarchuk. Freak incident and goalie equipment is better since then.

Won't link cause gfaqs. Given how much blood there was its really impressive he got attention quick enough to survive it..that was such an ugly incident.

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BudDupree48
02/04/21 10:17:31 PM
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Chris pronger also stomped on someone too

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hockeybub89
02/04/21 10:17:51 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Clint malarchuk. Freak incident and goalie equipment is better since then.

Won't link cause gfaqs. Given how much blood there was its really impressive he got attention quick enough to survive it..that was such an ugly incident.
Also, it apparently gave him PTSD and he tried to kill himself in 2008.

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CanuckCowboy
02/04/21 10:19:01 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Also, it apparently gave him PTSD and he tried to kill himself in 2008.

Yeah I was just about to post that its crazy how many people know of the one incident but his suicide attempt (shooting himself in the face) hasn't really gotten any attention outside of his book.

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Ryuko_Chan
02/04/21 10:22:46 PM
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best part of the game
its the hockey equivalent to a home run

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Returning_CEmen
02/04/21 10:43:58 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
There is a 5 minute penalty in hockey for fighting, making fighting permitted within the rules to do so, you will just be penalized. The NBA doesn't permit fighting. So yes, it's part of the NHL because in the rules you are allowed to. It's not part of the NBA because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that you can fight. It's not that hard to understand.
Personal Foul, Technical Foul, Flagrant Foul 1, Flagrant Foul 2.
There are penalties for physical plays in NBA too since it is part of the game. Check
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rodu_jr
02/04/21 10:48:59 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Clint malarchuk. Freak incident and goalie equipment is better since then.

Won't link cause gfaqs. Given how much blood there was its really impressive he got attention quick enough to survive it..that was such an ugly incident.
I think the teams trainer, who saved him, was a Nam corpsman or something like that
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_Raich_
02/04/21 10:53:19 PM
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basketball doesn't have as much fights since malice at the palace where they were swinging at fans. It was a lot lot more common in the 80's and 90's. Not as much as hockey, but that's why they shut it down hard in basketball.

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The Popo
02/04/21 10:56:22 PM
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This topic just led me down a 30 minute rabbit hole of Bob Probert fights. Much appreciated.

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SauI_Goodman
02/04/21 10:56:28 PM
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They arent what they used to be. The fan fights tho. Now those are always entertaining. Try not to be the lower guy if it happens.

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Ryuko_Chan
02/04/21 11:00:35 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
Personal Foul, Technical Foul, Flagrant Foul 1, Flagrant Foul 2.
There are penalties for physical plays in NBA too since it is part of the game. Check
this is like the dumbest "well ackshually" you couldve made. personal foul technical foul and flagrant foul 1/2 arent for fighting lol, theyre for any physical contact. actual fighting in basketball gets you a fighting foul which gets you suspended and fined. fighting is absolutely not a part of the game. @Returning_CEmen

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Damn_Underscore
02/04/21 11:06:51 PM
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The NBA used to be super tough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Zxk8y3_uI

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Returning_CEmen
02/04/21 11:42:34 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
this is like the dumbest "well ackshually" you couldve made. personal foul technical foul and flagrant foul 1/2 arent for fighting lol, theyre for any physical contact. actual fighting in the nba gets you a fighting foul which gets you suspended and fined. fighting is absolutely not a part of the game. @Returning_CEmen
You can get ejected and fined for fighting in hockey too
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SiO4
02/04/21 11:53:12 PM
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shironinja posted...
Wayne Gretzky scored 894 career goals but only had 2 fights.


Oh, the good old days!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZrdJpW3fbI
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BudDupree48
02/04/21 11:58:58 PM
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Didn't even know Chara played anywhere before Boston

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SiO4
02/05/21 12:04:05 AM
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BudDupree48 posted...
Didn't even know Chara played anywhere before Boston


Right? I actually did a double-take on that as well.
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Panthera
02/05/21 12:10:01 AM
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A lot of sports allow for things to happen either without penalty or with minimal penalty that would not be nearly as accepted outside the game. If you sprinted full speed and threw a diving forearm to the head of someone who didn't see you coming out on the street you'd get arrested for assault, in the NFL you might only get a one game suspension depending on what kind of mood the league is in that day.

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Bad_Mojo
02/05/21 12:16:21 AM
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VipaGTS posted...
I dont even get why. It adds nothing to the game itself.

It's to keep the game honest. Hitting someone really hard [a check] isn't against the rules. The only thing preventing people from killing people with checks is knowing that someone on the team is going to beat your face in if you do.

But as others have said, it's a bunch of bull shit that it's okay in hockey, but not other sports like Football and Basketball. Baseball, they seem to be a little okay with it as well, but they don't let them square up like they do in hockey, lol.

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ScazarMeltex
02/05/21 12:19:41 AM
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BilalPowell posted...
The good players dont fight because the team doesnt want them to get injured.
This. Guys from back in the 90s especially. Dudes like Bob Probert and Tie Domi didn't add anything to the roster other than an ability to fuck people up.

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SiO4
02/05/21 12:26:35 AM
#47:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Baseball, they seem to be a little okay with it as well, but they don't let them square up like they do in hockey, lol.


Before Covid I was ready for The Yankees to peg the shit out of some Astro.
They were scheduled to be the first team to play them that really had a beef against them.
We certainly missed a huge bench-clearing moment there. Someone may have actually gotten hurt in that one.
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Ryuko_Chan
02/05/21 12:27:35 AM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
You can get ejected and fined for fighting in hockey too
getting ejected and fined for sucker punching or using a stick as a weapon or leaving the bench to join a fight is what actually happens

you do not get ejected and fined for just fighting lol @Returning_CEmen

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Bad_Mojo
02/05/21 12:28:57 AM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
getting ejected and fined for sucker punching or using a stick as a weapon is what actually happens

you do not get ejected and fined for just fighting lol

Yeah, it's just a 5min Major

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