o Asian man pushed over and killed in unprovoked attack in San Francisco

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legendarylemur 02/03/21 8:46:18 PM #51:	Kolibri X posted... Not for long in California because... science! https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-28/california-considers-charging-all-teens-as-juveniles The fuck. I feel like there's more to this than just being based on some research Darmik posted... I never said he shouldn't have known better. Of course he should. I'm saying that saying he should be executed is a pretty extreme response. Again this shouldn't be limited to the elderly. Anyone can die from a tackle like that. People need to realize that behavior like this is universally deadly. I keep seeing 2 contrasting points, where I obviously agree with the latter but don't fully agree with the former. I do specify the 84 yr old part because it's so doubly blatantly obvious to anybody with a brain that doing this is a bad thing. Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value. It's easy to say otherwise from an outsider's perspective, but I'm pretty sure the family of the deceased would like to have a word with anybody who thinks otherwise. --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/krtFHol <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:950253048] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Kolibri X posted... </cite> <quote>Not for long in California because... science! https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-28/california-considers-charging-all-teens-as-juveniles</quote>The fuck. I feel like there's more to this than just being based on some research Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>I never said he shouldn't have known better. Of course he should. I'm saying that saying he should be executed is a pretty extreme response. Again this shouldn't be limited to the elderly. Anyone can die from a tackle like that. People need to realize that behavior like this is universally deadly.</quote>I keep seeing 2 contrasting points, where I obviously agree with the latter but don't fully agree with the former. I do specify the 84 yr old part because it's so doubly blatantly obvious to anybody with a brain that doing this is a bad thing. Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value. It's easy to say otherwise from an outsider's perspective, but I'm pretty sure the family of the deceased would like to have a word with anybody who thinks otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 02/03/21 8:47:50 PM #52:	pinky0926 posted... I was replying to legendarylemur and others who wish to execute the murderer here. I basically just think we should do the whole fair trial and usual justice approach and not circumvent that because people are upset. What is it republicans like to say? Facts don't care about your feelings, I think. Okay, I see it was just a misunderstanding on my part. I am certainly not in favor of lynch mobs either. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:950253117] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>I was replying to legendarylemur and others who wish to execute the murderer here. I basically just think we should do the whole fair trial and usual justice approach and not circumvent that because people are upset. What is it republicans like to say? Facts don't care about your feelings, I think.</quote>Okay, I see it was just a misunderstanding on my part. I am certainly not in favor of lynch mobs either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 8:48:12 PM #53:	legendarylemur posted... Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value. If someone tackled another and they lived should they still be executed to make sure it doesn't happen again? Do you think drunk drivers deserve to be executed too? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950253127] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value.</quote> If someone tackled another and they lived should they still be executed to make sure it doesn't happen again? Do you think drunk drivers deserve to be executed too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foley__Is__GOOD 02/03/21 8:48:26 PM #54:	Black Lives Matter! --- Come to the Pro Wrestling: Tournaments Board, for Tournaments, Seasons, and Games! <cite>Foley__Is__GOOD posted [p:950253136] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Black Lives Matter! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/03/21 8:49:57 PM #55:	legendarylemur posted... Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value. It's easy to say otherwise from an outsider's perspective, but I'm pretty sure the family of the deceased would like to have a word with anybody who thinks otherwise. Right, but then you have a problem. How do you go about proving it? The normal and legal approach is to have a trial, discern the guilt beyond reasonable doubt. That's just and anyone's right as a human being right? Like, we can't just say before the trial that such a person doesn't deserve a trial. That would be like saying "you don't have the right to prove you are not a bad person". If your argument here is simply that people like this hold no value after their guilt is confirmed, what then? Capital punishment is incredibly more expensive than prison. So what is the intended goal? Reduced cost to society or revenge? --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950253197] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile, I'm also not saying literally execute everybody you see. I think when a very unprovoked crime like this is committed, where the crime is inherently obvious to even children, and it can end an unrelated person's life, that person's life no longer holds the appropriate value. It's easy to say otherwise from an outsider's perspective, but I'm pretty sure the family of the deceased would like to have a word with anybody who thinks otherwise.</quote> Right, but then you have a problem. How do you go about proving it? The normal and legal approach is to have a trial, discern the guilt beyond reasonable doubt. That's just and anyone's right as a human being right? Like, we can't just say before the trial that such a person doesn't deserve a trial. That would be like saying "you don't have the right to prove you are not a bad person". If your argument here is simply that people like this hold no value after their guilt is confirmed, what then? Capital punishment is incredibly more expensive than prison. So what is the intended goal? Reduced cost to society or revenge? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 8:58:49 PM #56:	Darmik posted... If someone tackled another and they lived should they still be executed to make sure it doesn't happen again? Do you think drunk drivers deserve to be executed too? This is dumb logic. The result is the biggest factor. This is why attempted murder is a different charge. And yeah, most people believe the law is much too lenient on drunk driving killers. People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/ --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950253508] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>If someone tackled another and they lived should they still be executed to make sure it doesn't happen again? Do you think drunk drivers deserve to be executed too?</quote>This is dumb logic. The result is the biggest factor. This is why attempted murder is a different charge. And yeah, most people believe the law is much too lenient on drunk driving killers. People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 9:00:14 PM #57:	Snip-N-Snails posted... This is dumb logic. The result is the biggest factor. This is why attempted murder is a different charge. And yeah, most people believe the law is much too lenient on drunk driving killers. People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/ Of course the result is a big factor. But if someone gets a slap on the wrist (if that) because they tackled someone and they lived but get executed if they died perhaps the priorities are a bit too focused on the result instead of the crime and criminal. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950253554] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>This is dumb logic. The result is the biggest factor. This is why attempted murder is a different charge. And yeah, most people believe the law is much too lenient on drunk driving killers. People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/</quote> Of course the result is a big factor. But if someone gets a slap on the wrist (if that) because they tackled someone and they lived but get executed if they died perhaps the priorities are a bit too focused on the result instead of the crime and criminal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/03/21 9:02:56 PM #58:	Snip-N-Snails posted... People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/ The sympathetic murder stories point you're making here adds to the idea that we shouldn't be so quick to look at a video of one man pushing another (likely to death) and then decide guilt immediately. Maybe the old guy was the drunk driver, and the murderer a family member of his victims? Would we think differently of it then... That said I think it's very unlikely. I'm prepared to believe this is just a racist attack that ended in the worst way. But either way, this is why we have courts, and lawyers, and evidence and arguments and so on... --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950253658] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>People who kill drunk driving killers out of passion are some of the most common sympathetic murderer stories and there's also this incident https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2er4ut/texas_dad_david_barajas_acquitted_of_murdering/</quote> The sympathetic murder stories point you're making here adds to the idea that we shouldn't be so quick to look at a video of one man pushing another (likely to death) and then decide guilt immediately. Maybe the old guy was the drunk driver, and the murderer a family member of his victims? Would we think differently of it then... That said I think it's very unlikely. I'm prepared to believe this is just a racist attack that ended in the worst way. But either way, this is why we have courts, and lawyers, and evidence and arguments and so on... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Conker 02/03/21 9:03:07 PM #59:	@ImmatureContent You should probably fucking reword that. Killing someone is not the drop of a hat. Pretty sure that says they arent making their decision to execute the perp on the drop of a hat. Not that killing someone is just a drop off a hat decision like it seems you thought they were meaning. It reads like they arent ready to make a decision to end the teens life for a crime that was really shitty but not first degree murder. --- If you don't want to argue about something, take the initiative and stfu. Lets Go: Lions, Red Wings, Tigers, Pistons! <cite>Conker posted [p:950253663] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>@ImmatureContent <quote>You should probably fucking reword that. Killing someone is not the drop of a hat.</quote> Pretty sure that says they arent making their decision to execute the perp on the drop of a hat. Not that killing someone is just a drop off a hat decision like it seems you thought they were meaning. It reads like they arent ready to make a decision to end the teens life for a crime that was really shitty but not first degree murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 02/03/21 9:04:59 PM #60:	Racially motivated? <cite>gamer167 posted [p:950253725] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Racially motivated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 9:09:09 PM #62:	21WIVES_CHILL posted... He'll be let go without charge guaranteed. Criminals are free to do whatever they want in liberal cities. That isn't remotely true. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950253876] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>21WIVES_CHILL posted... </cite> <quote>He'll be let go without charge guaranteed. Criminals are free to do whatever they want in liberal cities.</quote> That isn't remotely true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 9:10:58 PM #63:	Darmik posted... Of course the result is a big factor. But if someone gets a slap on the wrist (if that) because they tackled someone and they lived but get executed if they died perhaps the priorities are a bit too focused on the result instead of the crime and criminal. That's how it should be. Otherwise that starts getting into thought crimes. If no one actually got hurt then giving the same charge as if someone actually got seriously hurt or killed is stupid even if it's the same action. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950253937] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Of course the result is a big factor. But if someone gets a slap on the wrist (if that) because they tackled someone and they lived but get executed if they died perhaps the priorities are a bit too focused on the result instead of the crime and criminal.</quote> That's how it should be. Otherwise that starts getting into thought crimes. If no one actually got hurt then giving the same charge as if someone actually got seriously hurt or killed is stupid even if it's the same action. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 02/03/21 9:11:16 PM #64:	Conker posted... @ImmatureContent Pretty sure that says they arent making their decision to execute the perp on the drop of a hat. Not that killing someone is just a drop off a hat decision like it seems you thought they were meaning. It reads like they arent ready to make a decision to end the teens life for a crime that was really shitty but not first degree murder. Yeah, I realize that now. I should not have jumped to the wrong conclusion. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:950253951] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Conker posted... </cite> <quote>@ImmatureContent Pretty sure that says they arent making their decision to execute the perp on the drop of a hat. Not that killing someone is just a drop off a hat decision like it seems you thought they were meaning. It reads like they arent ready to make a decision to end the teens life for a crime that was really shitty but not first degree murder.</quote>Yeah, I realize that now. I should not have jumped to the wrong conclusion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 02/03/21 9:12:32 PM #65:	Snip-N-Snails posted... That's how it should be. Otherwise that starts getting into thought crimes. If no one actually got hurt then giving the same charge as if someone actually got seriously hurt or killed is stupid even if it's the same action. That is not the same at all. It has nothing to do with thought crimes. You are literally saying two people should be treated differently for doing the exact same thing just with different results because of chance. That is dumb logic. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:950253993] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>That's how it should be. Otherwise that starts getting into thought crimes. If no one actually got hurt then giving the same charge as if someone actually got seriously hurt or killed is stupid even if it's the same action.</quote>That is not the same at all. It has nothing to do with thought crimes. You are literally saying two people should be treated differently for doing the exact same thing just with different results because of chance. That is dumb logic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 02/03/21 9:12:43 PM #66:	gamer167 posted... Racially motivated? yeah, anti-Asian Covid sentiment, so essentially we have explosive racism coming out of the woodwork to condemn a different form of racism to try and legitimize their primary preferred racism. --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- "the final thing that set the mods off was a picture of two lions having sex." -boxington <cite>Machete posted [p:950253998] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>gamer167 posted... </cite> <quote>Racially motivated?</quote> yeah, anti-Asian Covid sentiment, so essentially we have explosive racism coming out of the woodwork to condemn a different form of racism to try and legitimize their primary preferred racism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 02/03/21 9:14:12 PM #67:	Mark Wahlberg at it again. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:950254051] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Mark Wahlberg at it again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 9:15:06 PM #68:	pinky0926 posted... The sympathetic murder stories point you're making here adds to the idea that we shouldn't be so quick to look at a video of one man pushing another (likely to death) and then decide guilt immediately. Maybe the old guy was the drunk driver, and the murderer a family member of his victims? Would we think differently of it then... That said I think it's very unlikely. I'm prepared to believe this is just a racist attack that ended in the worst way. But either way, this is why we have courts, and lawyers, and evidence and arguments and so on... I don't think people here are saying he shouldn't be given a trial. They're just saying that's the sentence they believe he should be given from the details they know, like that food show contestant who was arrested for killing her adopted daughter or police brutality incidents. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950254087] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>The sympathetic murder stories point you're making here adds to the idea that we shouldn't be so quick to look at a video of one man pushing another (likely to death) and then decide guilt immediately. Maybe the old guy was the drunk driver, and the murderer a family member of his victims? Would we think differently of it then... That said I think it's very unlikely. I'm prepared to believe this is just a racist attack that ended in the worst way. But either way, this is why we have courts, and lawyers, and evidence and arguments and so on...</quote> I don't think people here are saying he shouldn't be given a trial. They're just saying that's the sentence they believe he should be given from the details they know, like that food show contestant who was arrested for killing her adopted daughter or police brutality incidents. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/03/21 9:16:52 PM #69:	Snip-N-Snails posted... I don't think people here are saying he shouldn't be given a trial. They're just saying that's the sentence they believe he should be given from the details they know, like that food show contestant who was arrested for killing her adopted daughter or police brutality incidents. Right, but the details are sparse, and unverified, and that's basically my point: people are far too quick to pull the capital punishment card any time there is an article about a sick sounding murder. It suggests to me that they kind of enjoy it. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950254141] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think people here are saying he shouldn't be given a trial. They're just saying that's the sentence they believe he should be given from the details they know, like that food show contestant who was arrested for killing her adopted daughter or police brutality incidents.</quote> Right, but the details are sparse, and unverified, and that's basically my point: people are far too quick to pull the capital punishment card any time there is an article about a sick sounding murder. It suggests to me that they kind of enjoy it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 9:20:03 PM #70:	ImmatureContent posted... That is not the same at all. It has nothing to do with thought crimes. You are literally saying two people should be treated differently for doing the exact same thing just with different results because of chance. That is dumb logic. That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950254239] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>ImmatureContent posted... </cite> <quote>That is not the same at all. It has nothing to do with thought crimes. You are literally saying two people should be treated differently for doing the exact same thing just with different results because of chance. That is dumb logic.</quote> That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 9:24:02 PM #71:	Snip-N-Snails posted... That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical. But don't you think there's a large gap between nothing and death --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950254365] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical.</quote> But don't you think there's a large gap between nothing and death </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeautifulBlaze 02/03/21 9:24:14 PM #72:	That's fucked up! --- https://imgur.com/6MpDU9H https://imgur.com/VLIVK3B https://imgur.com/fvIsIB1 https://imgur.com/8lDngl8 <cite>BeautifulBlaze posted [p:950254375] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>That's fucked up! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 9:30:47 PM #73:	pinky0926 posted... Right, but the details are sparse, and unverified, and that's basically my point: people are far too quick to pull the capital punishment card any time there is an article about a sick sounding murder. It suggests to me that they kind of enjoy it. That's true. A hate crime homicide wouldn't be the hill I'd die on for this though. Darmik posted... But don't you think there's a large gap between nothing and death Exactly the point. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950254588] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>Right, but the details are sparse, and unverified, and that's basically my point: people are far too quick to pull the capital punishment card any time there is an article about a sick sounding murder. It suggests to me that they kind of enjoy it.</quote> That's true. A hate crime homicide wouldn't be the hill I'd die on for this though. Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>But don't you think there's a large gap between nothing and death</quote> Exactly the point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 9:32:41 PM #74:	Snip-N-Snails posted... That's true. A hate crime homicide wouldn't be the hill I'd die on for this though. Exactly the point. Depends if the point is to simply punish or try to deter crimes from being committed I suppose. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950254652] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>That's true. A hate crime homicide wouldn't be the hill I'd die on for this though. Exactly the point.</quote> Depends if the point is to simply punish or try to deter crimes from being committed I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 02/03/21 9:35:53 PM #75:	Snip-N-Snails posted... That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical. It is logical if your motivation is revenge. I prefer laws to be in place to protect people and promote order. Two people committing the same act are posing the same risk to society. I don't think chance should be an important factor in how we deal with their crimes. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:950254761] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>That's how it works. They don't give someone the same sentence for no one getting hurt compared to people actually getting killed and that's perfectly logical.</quote>It is logical if your motivation is revenge. I prefer laws to be in place to protect people and promote order. Two people committing the same act are posing the same risk to society. I don't think chance should be an important factor in how we deal with their crimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 02/03/21 9:39:49 PM #76:	Just because they havn't charged him with it now, doesn't mean they can't charge him with it later. case in point- all the trump pardons that are now getting new charges on things they didn't get charged with previously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWxknzIg0o --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:950254883] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Just because they havn't charged him with it now, doesn't mean they can't charge him with it later. case in point- all the trump pardons that are now getting new charges on things they didn't get charged with previously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWxknzIg0o </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 9:46:17 PM #78:	Darmik posted... Depends if the point is to simply punish or try to deter crimes from being committed I suppose. Prioritizing intent is also impractical and kind of absurd. Proving intent is much harder and subjective than proving objective events. ImmatureContent posted... It is logical if your motivation is revenge. I prefer laws to be in place to protect people and promote order. Two people committing the same act are posing the same risk to society. I don't think chance should be an important factor in how we deal with their crimes. So you're saying if someone shot at someone and the gun jammed they should still get life in prison on the basis that the shot could've killed them? --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950255090] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Depends if the point is to simply punish or try to deter crimes from being committed I suppose.</quote> Prioritizing intent is also impractical and kind of absurd. Proving intent is much harder and subjective than proving objective events. ImmatureContent posted... </cite> <quote>It is logical if your motivation is revenge. I prefer laws to be in place to protect people and promote order. Two people committing the same act are posing the same risk to society. I don't think chance should be an important factor in how we deal with their crimes.</quote> So you're saying if someone shot at someone and the gun jammed they should still get life in prison on the basis that the shot could've killed them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 9:52:36 PM #79:	Snip-N-Snails posted... Prioritizing intent is also impractical and kind of absurd. Proving intent is much harder and subjective than proving objective events. I never said prioritizing but proving intent is a pretty major part of a trial and the verdict the criminal receives. There's a lot more that is relevant for the appropriate punishment than just the end result. Charges like manslaughter exist for a reason. Snip-N-Snails posted... So you're saying if someone shot at someone and the gun jammed they should still get life in prison on the basis that the shot could've killed them? They should be charged with attempted murder yes? Do you not agree? Whatever the sentence is depends on a lot of factors. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950255284] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>Prioritizing intent is also impractical and kind of absurd. Proving intent is much harder and subjective than proving objective events.</quote> I never said prioritizing but proving intent is a pretty major part of a trial and the verdict the criminal receives. There's a lot more that is relevant for the appropriate punishment than just the end result. Charges like manslaughter exist for a reason. Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>So you're saying if someone shot at someone and the gun jammed they should still get life in prison on the basis that the shot could've killed them?</quote> They should be charged with attempted murder yes? Do you not agree? Whatever the sentence is depends on a lot of factors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 02/03/21 9:55:43 PM #80:	Love watching the "all lives matter" crowd roll in to demand the death penalty --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:950255387] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Love watching the "all lives matter" crowd roll in to demand the death penalty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BobanMarjanovic 02/03/21 9:56:52 PM #81:	This is why I believe in the death penalty --- I killed those guys because they were awful, everybody is awful these days. <cite>BobanMarjanovic posted [p:950255416] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>This is why I believe in the death penalty </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 10:02:35 PM #82:	Darmik posted... I never said prioritizing but proving intent is a pretty major part of a trial and the verdict the criminal receives. There's a lot more that is relevant for the appropriate punishment than just the end result. Charges like manslaughter exist for a reason. Your original post that I responded to was that if we wouldn't execute someone for tackling someone and they lived then we shouldn't also execute someone for tackling someone and they died implying that the method/intent is the major factor. If someone shot someone and they lived I wouldn't think they should be executed/given life either. Intent does matter but it's not the major factor. Darmik posted... They should be charged with attempted murder yes? Do you not agree? And attempted murder is a lesser charge than murder. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950255586] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>I never said prioritizing but proving intent is a pretty major part of a trial and the verdict the criminal receives. There's a lot more that is relevant for the appropriate punishment than just the end result. Charges like manslaughter exist for a reason.</quote> Your original post that I responded to was that if we wouldn't execute someone for tackling someone and they lived then we shouldn't also execute someone for tackling someone and they died implying that the method/intent is the major factor. If someone shot someone and they lived I wouldn't think they should be executed/given life either. Intent does matter but it's not the major factor. Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>They should be charged with attempted murder yes? Do you not agree?</quote> And attempted murder is a lesser charge than murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 10:05:12 PM #83:	Snip-N-Snails posted... Your original post that I responded to was that if we wouldn't execute someone for tackling someone and they lived then we shouldn't also execute someone for tackling someone and they died implying that the method/intent is the major factor. If someone shot someone and they lived I wouldn't think they should be executed/given life either. Intent does matter but it's not the major factor. Method and intent is a major factor. Snip-N-Snails posted... And attempted murder is a lesser charge than murder. So is manslaughter. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950255669] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>Your original post that I responded to was that if we wouldn't execute someone for tackling someone and they lived then we shouldn't also execute someone for tackling someone and they died implying that the method/intent is the major factor. If someone shot someone and they lived I wouldn't think they should be executed/given life either. Intent does matter but it's not the major factor.</quote> Method and intent is a major factor. Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>And attempted murder is a lesser charge than murder.</quote> So is manslaughter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MirageOfRuins 02/03/21 10:06:02 PM #84:	Inb4 judge lets him off for killing a supposed racist <cite>MirageOfRuins posted [p:950255703] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Inb4 judge lets him off for killing a supposed racist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 10:17:50 PM #86:	Darmik posted... Method and intent is a major factor. So is manslaughter. I'd consider something like this second degree murder which I believe is a lesser charge than attempted murder. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950256068] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Method and intent is a major factor. So is manslaughter.</quote> I'd consider something like this second degree murder which I believe is a lesser charge than attempted murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/03/21 10:19:04 PM #87:	manslaughter is only involved if the death is caused by an accident this was not an accidental punch --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:950256104] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>manslaughter is only involved if the death is caused by an accident this was not an accidental punch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EricDraven59 02/03/21 10:20:32 PM #88:	I still can't believe the levels of stupid a person can reach. Top tier ones are the criminals who record themselves committing the crime, or have a friend or whoever film it happening. Just evidence for prosecutors to lock them away. Then there are people like this who are a notch below top tier but still very stupid, not realizing how many security cameras, cctv such things are in the country. They act without thinking. And now pay the price <cite>EricDraven59 posted [p:950256142] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>I still can't believe the levels of stupid a person can reach. Top tier ones are the criminals who record themselves committing the crime, or have a friend or whoever film it happening. Just evidence for prosecutors to lock them away. Then there are people like this who are a notch below top tier but still very stupid, not realizing how many security cameras, cctv such things are in the country. They act without thinking. And now pay the price </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 10:26:20 PM #89:	Snip-N-Snails posted... I'd consider something like this second degree murder which I believe is a lesser charge than attempted murder. Yes which is why intent and method are still very important factors more than just the end result. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950256317] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>I'd consider something like this second degree murder which I believe is a lesser charge than attempted murder.</quote> Yes which is why intent and method are still very important factors more than just the end result. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 10:31:14 PM #90:	Darmik posted... Yes which is why intent and method are still very important factors more than just the end result. Fair enough. I agree it is very important. The end result is still more important though as that determines the actual crime. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950256485] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Yes which is why intent and method are still very important factors more than just the end result.</quote> Fair enough. I agree it is very important. The end result is still more important though as that determines the actual crime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 02/03/21 10:34:16 PM #91:	CalypsoDoom posted... CE can't fucking read so Notice how I spat truth 36 posts in and got completely fucking ignored \_()_/ --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- "the final thing that set the mods off was a picture of two lions having sex." -boxington <cite>Machete posted [p:950256577] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>CalypsoDoom posted... </cite> <quote>CE can't fucking read so</quote> Notice how I spat truth 36 posts in and got completely fucking ignored \_()_/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 10:34:36 PM #92:	Snip-N-Snails posted... Fair enough. I agree it is very important. The end result is still more important though as that determines the actual crime. We have just went through three different levels of crime that have the same end result lol. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950256589] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>Fair enough. I agree it is very important. The end result is still more important though as that determines the actual crime.</quote> We have just went through three different levels of crime that have the same end result lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 10:40:10 PM #93:	Darmik posted... We have just went through three different levels of crime that have the same end result lol. All the types of killing are homicide. Attempted murder itself is technically not homicide. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950256750] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>We have just went through three different levels of crime that have the same end result lol.</quote> All the types of killing are homicide. Attempted murder itself is technically not homicide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/03/21 10:45:47 PM #94:	Snip-N-Snails posted... All the types of killing are homicide. Attempted murder itself is technically not homicide. And yet it can still have a harsher sentence depending on context. Remember that this all started because a poster said that all crimes like this should lead to the death penalty. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:950256878] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Snip-N-Snails posted... </cite> <quote>All the types of killing are homicide. Attempted murder itself is technically not homicide.</quote> And yet it can still have a harsher sentence depending on context. Remember that this all started because a poster said that all crimes like this should lead to the death penalty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 02/03/21 11:24:02 PM #95:	Darmik posted... And yet it can still have a harsher sentence depending on context. Remember that this all started because a poster said that all crimes like this should lead to the death penalty. Intent may soften the consequences compared to other crimes of its nature but the end result would still make it worse than if the result wasn't as bad. Plus in this specific instance the killer was committing a hate crime with the intent to cause serious injury with a clear disregard to the man's life and did eventually kill him. That might not be legally enough for the death penalty these days but this is the kind of crime that it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe the culprit deserves it. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:950257915] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>And yet it can still have a harsher sentence depending on context. Remember that this all started because a poster said that all crimes like this should lead to the death penalty.</quote> Intent may soften the consequences compared to other crimes of its nature but the end result would still make it worse than if the result wasn't as bad. Plus in this specific instance the killer was committing a hate crime with the intent to cause serious injury with a clear disregard to the man's life and did eventually kill him. That might not be legally enough for the death penalty these days but this is the kind of crime that it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe the culprit deserves it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 02/04/21 11:41:13 PM #96:	https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ another day another one --- https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM <cite>ModLogic posted [p:950294740] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ another day another one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flauros 02/04/21 11:45:53 PM #97:	ModLogic posted... https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ another day another one It looks like a string of hate crimes starting to develop. This shit needs to be stopped now. --- https://imgur.com/EX6Md7k https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L https://imgur.com/A3kur0P https://imgur.com/Hj9RrC6 <cite>Flauros posted [p:950294843] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote>https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ another day another one</quote>It looks like a string of hate crimes starting to develop. This shit needs to be stopped now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 02/04/21 11:47:43 PM #98:	Shove them off a cliff --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:950294893] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>Shove them off a cliff </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 02/04/21 11:50:47 PM #99:	maylasia goo????????? --- Hammer my bones on the anvil of daylight <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:950294972] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>maylasia goo????????? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 02/04/21 11:58:02 PM #100:	Seriously why would someone do this? Just murder an 80+ year old man for fun? <cite>Atralis posted [p:950295151] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote> Seriously why would someone do this? Just murder an 80+ year old man for fun? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 02/04/21 11:59:00 PM #101:	pinky0926 posted... I think his point might have been how cases like this whip people up into a weird sort of revenge porn frenzy, and tbh I agree with that. It's a disgusting crime but sometimes I think people want to witness a hanging like it's 1604 or something You know that snarky comment we (CE random) sometimes use that goes and nothing of value was lost? Yeah, that would be an appropriate response right now when weve just seen a young dude literally kill an 84-year old and the suggestion is to flush this killer down a toilet. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:950295181] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>I think his point might have been how cases like this whip people up into a weird sort of revenge porn frenzy, and tbh I agree with that. It's a disgusting crime but sometimes I think people want to witness a hanging like it's 1604 or something</quote> You know that snarky comment we (CE random) sometimes use that goes and nothing of value was lost? Yeah, that would be an appropriate response right now when weve just seen a young dude literally kill an 84-year old and the suggestion is to flush this killer down a toilet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 02/04/21 11:59:45 PM #102:	what be did was fucked up. 10-20 years jail time for sure at least. I don't think his intent was not to kill and think it's hard to prove that, which was why I said 10-20 years, but it was a fucking scummy thing to do regardless. it's intentional bodily harm and assault at the very lraat I do believe if he shows remorse and advocates against this kind of violence and tries to make the world a better place in prison like a decade from now, that it should be considered for him to have a second chance. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:950295195] in 84 y/o Asi... [t:79276273]...</cite> <quote>what be did was fucked up. 10-20 years jail time for sure at least. I don't think his intent was not to kill and think it's hard to prove that, which was why I said 10-20 years, but it was a fucking scummy thing to do regardless. it's intentional bodily harm and assault at the very lraat I do believe if he shows remorse and advocates against this kind of violence and tries to make the world a better place in prison like a decade from now, that it should be considered for him to have a second chance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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