Board 8 > What 2020 games will make Game of the Decade 3

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Lightning Strikes posted...

that hit it big on the Switch?

I have a hard time believing a Switch port of a game that was over seven years old by that time moved the needle here, where something like DKC: TF can be near-worthless even though it needed its Switch port for exposure.

That being said, while I agree with Leon that Sonic Mania > SMB had no meaningful SFF, I'm not sure I'll ever agree that the 128 games we saw in GotD 2 were the 128 most nominated eligible games. If nothing else, I could believe 999 would have failed to make the field after reaching 2015's bracket if we had seen ZTD, but it's not like VLR wasn't also in 2015.

Anyways, my guesses at which 2020 games will make GotD 3:

• Near-Locks: Final Fantasy VII Remake (The TFA argument doesn't really work against it given how easily TFA would make a theoretical 2010s movie bracket even today); Hades
• Probable: Ghost of Tsushima (its GotY results here tell me it isn't another inFamous 2, though I guess a sequel could obsolete it); Ori and the Will of the Wisps; Persona 5 Royal
• Coin-Flips: 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (could equally go the way of 999 or Deadly Premonition among beginning-of-the-decade cult hits); Animal Crossing: New Horizons (depends on what happens to the franchise from here); Crusader Kings III; Cyberpunk 2077 (feels like it could be another New Vegas situation, though its launch being botched even by those standards doesn't help); Demon's Souls; DOOM Eternal (same as AC: NH); Genshin Impact (looks good right now, but I'm skeptical about a gacha game lasting the whole decade); Half-Life: Alyx (VR will probably become at least a bit more mainstream this decade, and chances are Alyx keeps being considered among its crown jewels)

I don't think The Last of Us Part II will make the field, considering it currently seems about as poorly regarded as Cyberpunk among GameFAQs audiences, only it lacks a possibility of updates, etc. winning them back, and a sequel would presumably take the honors over it.

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Think Spiritfarer is a dark horse pick, thats a game that could have more legs later on

Also a decent chunk of 2010 games did make it when I looked back

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Super Meat Boy was a big hit on the Switch, to the point where Nintendo got the marketing rights for Forever. That is the whole thing about the Switch, it gave old indie games a second life, some were reporting their best ever years years after release because of the Switch. But I think were getting off topic - regardless of which is stronger between Ys VIII and Super Meat Boy, Forza Horizon 4 would beat both of them!

Oh, and I wasnt really doing it based on strength.

Anyway, you cant compare TLoU to Cyberpunk. One was misleading leaks making manbabies upset, the other was a game so broken it was removed from sale. Nobody will remember the TLoU leak in 10 years time, but Cyberpunks launch will always be part of its story. Now if theres a sequel that doesnt suffer a similar fate, I can see that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if both SMB and Ys 8 beat FH4.
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Hot take time:

FFVII Remake won't be in Game of the Decade due to the series cap.

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Hot take time:

FFVII Remake won't be in Game of the Decade due to the series cap.

I like your optimism that episodes 2 and 3 will not only be out by the end of the decade but also be more well regarded...!

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Super Meat Boy was a big hit on the Switch, to the point where Nintendo got the marketing rights for Forever. That is the whole thing about the Switch, it gave old indie games a second life, some were reporting their best ever years years after release because of the Switch. But I think were getting off topic - regardless of which is stronger between Ys VIII and Super Meat Boy, Forza Horizon 4 would beat both of them!

Oh, and I wasnt really doing it based on strength.

You're still missing my point there. Those ports of years-old indie games might have kept them relevant enough in the mainstream to produce significant overlap even while merely maintaining their strength, but they clearly didn't here based on the minimal impact of most voters actually getting to play a new DKC game for the first time. That makes some amount of sense, considering how crucial nostalgia is on this site.

Also, saying that Forza Horizon 4 beat Monster Hunter: World, while true, is rather disingenuous. Voters didn't think of World, the latest full game in a traditionally PlayStation-exclusive series, as an Xbox game, and it clearly showed when comparing that poll to the PS4 poll just two days beforehand (where it also fared much worse than its contest results). The closest thing to a contest comparison there is Forza's 30% on RDR2, but even then, the latter was primarily a PS4 game for voters' purposes, whereas the former was principally a release for a console GameFAQs barely cares about.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Anyway, you cant compare TLoU to Cyberpunk. One was misleading leaks making manbabies upset, the other was a game so broken it was removed from sale. Nobody will remember the TLoU leak in 10 years time, but Cyberpunks launch will always be part of its story.

Well, the two games sure seemed to have awfully comparable GotY results here relative to their fields, so the manbaby backlash clearly mattered quite a bit. I suppose I can't totally judge how positively GameFAQs will remember TLoU II come 2030, though, other than to say it clearly won't be as well-regarded as the original is now.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I like your optimism that episodes 2 and 3 will not only be out by the end of the decade but also be more well regarded...!

Episode 2 and 3 will definitely be out by 2030 but whether it will be Empire and RotJ or TLJ and Rise is what the big question will be.

Regardless the big name games from this year will easily make a 128 field from games released in 10 years. 12 games a year leaves a lot of room for literally anything to get in.

LeonhartFour posted...

I like your optimism that episodes 2 and 3 will not only be out by the end of the decade but also be more well regarded...!

there will be at least a couple not VII FF games in the next decade too!

I have high hopes for XVI.
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Don't let all the manbabies make it seem like there was no legit criticism of TLoU2 either. How that went down was terrible, but it was always going to be a controversial game that some would love but some would hate, regardless of leaks.

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Cyberpunk is much more this site's kind of game than The Last of Us.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

And Sonic Mania has literally the same exact fanbase as Meat Boy.

But does it

I'm not a fan of crushingly difficult games so Meat Boy didn't really do it for me

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

there will be at least a couple not VII FF games in the next decade too!

I have high hopes for XVI.

Yeah, I know. I'm cautiously optimistic about XVI. There are some things I like and some things I'm nervous about.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Cyberpunk is much more this site's kind of game than The Last of Us.

A little, but this site does really like the first TLoU, more than Uncharted, probably because its more of a narrative driven adventure. Additionally, Cyberpunk is much more like Deus Ex than it is something like Fallout or The Witcher 3. One thing that got lost in that games trainwreck of a launch is a third of the playerbase disappointed that it wasnt Cyberpunk Witcher, a third of the playerbase disappointed it wasnt Cyberpunk GTA, and a third who liked their open world Deus Ex.

All of this is not to say that TLOUII is a flawless game that people will love as soon as they play it. For instance, I really like that game, and the last chapter was a mistake. Its enough to send it from way better than the first game to below it in my eyes. It definitely wouldnt be its equal. However, the bulk of the pushback was to do with factors outside the game that will be forgotten, whereas with Cyberpunk it was mostly the games fault. This is why I feel TLoUII has a much better chance of improving its reputation than Cyberpunk. If people are still on about TLoUII in ten years, that says more about the people than the game.

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Also I outright didnt want FFXVI before they finished VII Remake and gave XIV some more time, but XVI looks great. Every other FF since X has had caveats attached from its announcement, this is the one Im fully optimistic about.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

However, the bulk of the pushback was to do with factors outside the game that will be forgotten, whereas with Cyberpunk it was mostly the games fault. This is why I feel TLoUII has a much better chance of improving its reputation than Cyberpunk. If people are still on about TLoUII in ten years, that says more about the people than the game.

The outside factors made it both more loved and hated at the same time. I can't think of many other things where the fans have turned a blind eye to criticism to the same degree, in particular about the things that were leaked. You couldn't dislike those things and be taken seriously because they were leaked in most places. So I suppose in some years we'll get a more accurate general view on it, which should be somewhere inbetween.

Of course, the people that dislike it are completely irrelevant when talking about its chances of being nomination. It's more about the people are liked it, and it felt like the game got an additional amount of support because a bunch of people played it with a subconscious agenda to defend it.

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The well, people were also biased in favour of defending it argument gets made every time theres a controversy and every time theres a genuine complaint those people cease to exist when the game actually comes out. Just look at the amazing swing in reactions to Gamespots 7/10 Cyberpunk review. If the points against TLoUII were valid, more people who played it would have come away with the issues that were causing the fuss.

I followed the leaks, and they wound up being entirely misrepresentative of the content of the game. Real content, but misunderstood. I have encountered people who played TLOUII and didnt like it, but not for the reasons that caused the controversy. Because most of them werent even accurate!

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The first Last of Us strikes me as something strong on this site in spite of not being a GameFAQs kind of game, similar to Resident Evil 4 but even weaker. Not to mention it got waxed in GOTD, although there are a few caveats to that (I think that was more Dark Souls beasting than TLOU flopping).

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Remember that the leak happened days before that match! However, TLoU still came out looking pretty good. The xstats against Skyrim wound up looking remarkably similar to 2015 - but if my maths are correct, before that it actually overperformed a good bit relative to VLR and slightly on Arkham City. So who knows, also lol xstats.

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If you assume Chrono Trigger's division is overvalued in the 2015 x-stats to some degree, TLOU barely budged actually.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

If you assume Chrono Trigger's division is overvalued in the 2015 x-stats to some degree

bringing that here huh

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I won't expect much out of TLOUII because by 2030 it'll be either irrelevant or completely surpassed by a later game.

On the other hand it'll be a race to 5000 votes to determine the winner so a basic rally should be enough to win any match.

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Honestly I feel like TLOU2 will be the end of that series, felt like the game had a lot of closure in it and Im sure Druckmann wants to move on

I feel a little differently than the first one since Left Behind showed there was a lot more world building to be done

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Lightning Strikes posted...

The well, people were also biased in favour of defending it argument gets made every time theres a controversy and every time theres a genuine complaint those people cease to exist when the game actually comes out. Just look at the amazing swing in reactions to Gamespots 7/10 Cyberpunk review. If the points against TLoUII were valid, more people who played it would have come away with the issues that were causing the fuss.

I followed the leaks, and they wound up being entirely misrepresentative of the content of the game. Real content, but misunderstood. I have encountered people who played TLOUII and didnt like it, but not for the reasons that caused the controversy. Because most of them werent even accurate!

Lots of people did, they were just being grouped with the rest and not taken seriously!

I'm not saying everyone was at all, but let's not act like it wasn't a thing. Rarely have I seen fans of anything be so sensitive. It's not like the leaks were not accurate. Maybe some of it was, I remember some parts being unclear more than inaccurate, but most of all they were very misrepresentative as you said. But I've seen plenty of people not liking those parts even in context, perhaps because they were meant to be controversial, so they were never going get everyone on board to begin with, and most people are acting like those parts were universally like by people who played the game, and that's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

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I think the controversy was partially due to people fearing they had a Last Jedi situation on their hands or something, similar to the pre-release controversies for Captain Marvel and Terminator: Dark Fate.

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No, that was not it.

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Must have The Critical Drinker on my mind then.

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Speaking of someone who judges stuff just based on what he's read

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It's not like I'm the only one to make the comparison. I get the feeling it's more of a vocal minority though and there isn't that much TLJ spillover, just a thought.

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