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CouldBeAnAlt
01/19/21 12:05:23 PM
#52:


Are delita and ramza even rivals?
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DoGCyN
01/19/21 12:07:11 PM
#53:


CouldBeAnAlt posted...
Are delita and ramza even rivals?
yes

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obsolete
01/19/21 12:08:38 PM
#54:


Squall and Seifer is a real rivalry. They don't want to kill each other, they want to one up each other.
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Irony
01/19/21 12:09:57 PM
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Pretty sure Seifer wanted to kill Squall to simp to Ultimecia

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The Popo
01/19/21 12:27:45 PM
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Cecil and Kain, FF4

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EmbraceOfDeath
01/19/21 12:28:27 PM
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Other. I'll go with Cid and Nero (FFXIV). Cecil and Kain would probably be my runner-up.

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 12:30:14 PM
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The Popo posted...
Cecil and Kain, FF4
Seeing a lot of these. I think we're gonna do a final topic and include these two

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Eat More Beef
01/19/21 12:33:55 PM
#59:


You know, while I think you're doing an amazing job with these topics, TC, the lack of Mystic Quest representation makes me a sad panda.

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ChocoboMogALT
01/19/21 12:49:04 PM
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I missed the nomination, Zidane v Kuja doesn't count? I guess it's pretty one-sided, but so is Cloud v Sephiroth. Kuja is really jealous of Zidane, he's more hung up about it than Seifer.
Yeah, I'm voting Other. Second would be Tidus/Jecht, it's pretty sad for a father to be so troubled by his son. Third would be Squall/Seifer, feels like a real HS stupid rivalry. I just don't consider Delita to be a rival in the same sense as these others - when they are against each other they are political enemies; Ramza is also mostly along for the ride.

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ApherosyLove
01/19/21 12:54:45 PM
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DoGCyN posted...
I'm using this one as a more fun topic. Cause all the SONGS nominations are coming starting tomorrow. Expect some heat
Please tag me

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 1:25:47 PM
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ApherosyLove posted...
Please tag me
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DoGCyN
01/19/21 1:27:18 PM
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Eat More Beef posted...
You know, while I think you're doing an amazing job with these topics, TC, the lack of Mystic Quest representation makes me a sad panda.
Shoot me a big ole PM of details from the game! I promise to start including it once I get more details.

Edit: Wondering if there is a youtube video that gives me a rundown...

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BettyWhite
01/19/21 1:30:42 PM
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DoGCyN posted...
I'm using this one as a more fun topic. Cause all the SONGS nominations are coming starting tomorrow. Expect some heat

There's so many options for songs I might recommend a slow and fast song option.. Above and below 90bpm or something.

I dunno.

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 1:54:10 PM
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Songs should be split up into categories imo.

NES/SNES

Playstation & later

Vocal songs

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Aysander
01/19/21 1:58:43 PM
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Don't feel like mainline FFs have much in the way of true rivalries outside of FF8. Steiner v Zidane is kinda one-sided (With Zidane basically trolling) and Cloud vs Seph got a lot of build up but honestly feels again, one-sided/trollish.

Kain vs Cecil should have never really been a rivalry, hell pre Plot it was more like Kain respected his working relationship and straight-up friendship Cecil.

Voted "Other", because honestly

FF14 has a well-played rivalry between Cid and Nero, not counting any of the minor short term rivalries or rivalries between plot-relevant characters like Sadu and Magnai. So Cid vs Nero it is.

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 2:02:06 PM
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Aeriis posted...
Is there a rivalry between Cloud and Tics/Aeris/Yuffie etc? Or did I read that wrong?
It was a joke answer. There is a rivalry for who you take on the date at the Gold Saucer.

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Sackgurl
01/19/21 2:02:22 PM
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CouldBeAnAlt posted...
Are delita and ramza even rivals?

they're childhood friends from deeply different backgrounds, who viewed one another as brothers in naive ignorance of their world--friends whose love for one another was shattered by the world they live in, and whose responses to emotional tragedy were polar opposites not due to some character flaw but circumstances neither ever could control

ultimately landing them on opposite sides of a conflict way bigger than either of them for completely understandable reasons

yes they're rivals, and delita is probably the most sympathetic villain in the series

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:03:17 PM
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Aysander posted...
Kain vs Cecil should have never really been a rivalry, hell pre Plot it was more like Kain respected his working relationship and straight-up friendship Cecil.

They were always entangled in a bitter love triangle. While Kain at least partially respected Rosa's decision, he never truly stopped trying to prove he was superior to Cecil.

not until TAY anyway

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philsov
01/19/21 2:07:22 PM
#71:


CouldBeAnAlt posted...
Are delita and ramza even rivals?


The literary term is Foil. As I see it, they have the same goals more often than they don't. They just go about it in different ways They're closer to brothers in arms, imo.

Squall and Seifer are actual rivals. Cloud is pretty much Seph's bitch for most of FF7.
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Sackgurl
01/19/21 2:14:38 PM
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philsov posted...
As I see it, they have the same goals more often than they don't.

how so?

i agree that they're foils to one another, though.

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:18:35 PM
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philsov posted...
The literary term is Foil. As I see it, they have the same goals more often than they don't. They just go about it in different ways They're closer to brothers in arms, imo.

They don't even remotely have the same goals. They just have a common enemy. Delita was trying to destroy the corrupt nobility, Beoulves included. Ramza just happened to be the only one that was actually moral.

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DeathVelvien
01/19/21 2:38:41 PM
#74:


Cecil and Kain

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Zeeak4444
01/19/21 2:39:53 PM
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Autocraticus posted...
Ramza/Delita. Same goal, different measures.


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Smackems
01/19/21 2:41:30 PM
#76:


AllegraD posted...
FF4 - Kain and Cecil
Ah i shoulda voted for that one instead of squal and seifer

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philsov
01/19/21 2:46:47 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
how so?


Chapter 1 they're pretty much aligned
Chapter 2, they're both protecting Ovelia and don't want anyone else to be "another Teta"
Chapter 3 Ramza is trying to make the Hotuken back down (just like Delita)
Chapter 4 they're both gonna save the goddamn world
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Bleuets
01/19/21 2:47:36 PM
#78:


Cloud and Sephiroth doesnt really count as a rivalry though. Sephiroth is a villain not a rival.
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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 2:56:12 PM
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philsov posted...
Chapter 1 they're pretty much aligned
Chapter 2, they're both protecting Ovelia and don't want anyone else to be "another Teta"
Chapter 3 Ramza is trying to make the Hotuken back down (just like Delita)
Chapter 4 they're both gonna save the goddamn world
Delita did nothing to save the world. He was playing politics while the Lucavi were about to summon Altima into the world and kill everyone. Delita's actions in fact only imperiled the world further. Nothing that Delita did would have made a lick of difference if Ramza didn't save Alma.

The average person considered Delita to be a hero but the average person had no fucking idea whatsoever that there was a secret cabal of demons trying to destroy the world.

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 2:57:02 PM
#80:


Bleuets posted...
Sephiroth is a villain not a rival.
I don't think these are mutually exclusive

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philsov
01/19/21 3:09:24 PM
#81:


Tyranthraxus posted...

Delita did nothing to save the world. He was playing politics while the Lucavi were about to summon Altima into the world and kill everyone. Delita's actions in fact only imperiled the world further. Nothing that Delita did would have made a lick of difference if Ramza didn't save Alma.

The average person considered Delita to be a hero but the average person had no fucking idea whatsoever that there was a secret cabal of demons trying to destroy the world.


Delita knew Ramza was gonna take care of it. It's why Balmfula said "you even use your friends" after Zalmo II. Then he was king and had a long and prosperous reign, suggesting daily life under Delita was better than standard noble/death corps stuff of chapter 1.
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SauI_Goodman
01/19/21 3:13:10 PM
#82:


Metallica v ff for stealing their riff

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Obstacle2
01/19/21 3:32:08 PM
#83:


The last two options are so dumb, who voted for them

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Musourenka
01/19/21 3:59:28 PM
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Just out of curiosity,

How do people see Noel and Caius in terms of rivalry? Noel definitely saw Caius as a rival, but I don't think Caius saw Noel the same way. More of an apprentice at first?

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lilORANG
01/19/21 4:01:04 PM
#85:


JE19426 posted...
Squall and Seifer.

This is really the only proper rivalry on the list. And not just in battle but also love! Cuz Seifer definitely banged Rinoa first
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Sackgurl
01/19/21 4:42:57 PM
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philsov posted...
Chapter 1 they're pretty much aligned
Chapter 2, they're both protecting Ovelia and don't want anyone else to be "another Teta"
Chapter 3 Ramza is trying to make the Hotuken back down (just like Delita)
Chapter 4 they're both gonna save the goddamn world

chapter 1 was before the murder that divided them, but it's clear in chapter 2 that delita uses ovelia as a pawn, and in chapter 3 he's trying to cause the war not stop it. chapter 4 he's consolidating power in the wake of ramza's destruction of his enemies.

ramza's story is one of self sacrifice for what is right. delita's is one of doing whatever is necessary to ensure personal advancement. that 'whatever is necessary' frequently involved assisting ramza had more to do with the fact that ramza was so good at killing the people delita needed to kill than any shared vision or goals.

they were absolutely rivals--much of the story was ramza fighting delita's masters openly while delita served them openly (and plotted their downfall in secret). had stopping altima not resulted in the cataclysmic ending that it did, i cannot imagine ramza simply standing by and allowing delita to marry ovelia, clearly against her will.

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Zaltera
01/19/21 4:58:12 PM
#87:


AllegraD posted...
FF4 - Kain and Cecil


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CouldBeAnAlt
01/19/21 4:59:16 PM
#88:


I don't view ramza and delita as rivals but their goal is not the same they just happen to intersect beneficially
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Kanaya413
01/19/21 5:01:15 PM
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I love Steiner and zidanes enemies to friend relationship but idk if Id say theyre rivals
love em though

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Bad_Mojo
01/19/21 5:40:20 PM
#90:


Ramza vs Delita, and it isn't even close. I don't know why Kain and Cecil are not on that list but that terrible one about Cloud and the dates is.

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 7:36:43 PM
#91:


It's super close yall!

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ChocoboMogALT
01/19/21 8:44:18 PM
#92:


I hope Seifer/Squall wins, but in retrospect Cloud and Seph do have a rivaly... in the side media. KH, AC, even FFVIIR.

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 8:45:24 PM
#93:


ChocoboMogALT posted...
I hope Seifer/Squall wins
I'm in a similar boat in that I hope Cloud and Sephiroth lose lol. I've been rooting for Squall/Seifer and Ramza/Delita

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 10:10:38 PM
#94:


Final bump of the night. Hot dayum this race

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gunplagirl
01/19/21 10:12:16 PM
#95:


Bartz and Gilgamesh

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Lairen
01/19/21 10:14:56 PM
#96:


Serious answer: Ramza and Delita

Not so: Squall and Seifer. They make impossible slashes on each others face. Squall gets sloppy seconds.

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gunplagirl
01/19/21 10:16:28 PM
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Also, is there any chance of doing just the top two for a final run of this poll with how close it is?

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 10:17:06 PM
#98:


gunplagirl posted...
Also, is there any chance of doing just the top two for a final run of this poll with how close it is?
There is a strong possibility. I've already received a couple PMs regarding that. It may end up being a top 4 if we go that route.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/19/21 10:18:50 PM
#99:


AllegraD posted...
FF4 - Kain and Cecil

Fkn this!!

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DoGCyN
01/19/21 10:19:21 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Fkn this!!
I'll be sure to tag you.

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Tyranthraxus
01/19/21 10:23:11 PM
#101:


Kanaya413 posted...
I love Steiner and zidanes enemies to friend relationship but idk if Id say theyre rivals
love em though

I feel like Steiner is more of a rival with Beatrix

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