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Nominate 3 classes from job related Final Fantasy games (Tactics series, FF1, FF3, FF5, etc.) that either SUCK or that you believe have better alternatives.

Squire (FFT)
Archer (FFT)
Mediator (FFT)

Oh, and the Best Villain is without a doubt, Kefka from Final Fantasy 6. Sephiroth came in a not so close second place with almost half the votes.

Best Minigame: Triple Triad via FF8
Worst Minigame: Dodging Lightning via FF10
Best Gameplay Mechanics: Set classes and (learnable) abilities via FF4/6/9
Worst Protagonist: Vaan via FF12
Best Cid: Cid Highwind via FF7
Worst Dungeon: The Great Crystal via FF12
Best Soundtrack: OST via FF7
Worst/Most Annoying/Difficult Optional Boss/Enemy: Absolute Virtue via FF11
Best Story: Yasumi Matsuno via FFTactics
Worst Story: Motomu Toriyama via FF13 series
Best Director: Yoshinori Kitase via FF6, FF7, FF8, and FF10.
Worst (playable) Character: Hope via FF13
Best Villain: Kefka via FF6

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Blue Mage

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DoGCyN posted...

Archer (FFT)

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FFT Archer

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Going to be that guy and meme a little by nominating Bard from FF14.

Dancer came out right after Bards thought they were in a good spot and now all the Bards are mad again.

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Archer in FFT has literally no purpose

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Hmmm, gonna have to go with just FF5 on this one. Luckily, I played it recently, so my mind isn't trying to recall memories from the 90s.

Red Mage (jack of all trades, master of none)
Beastmaster (so much work/luck involved for what is a lacklustre ability)
Chemist (a whole job just to act as a secondary buff ability on a damage dealer? nah!)

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Squire (FFT)
Archer (FFT)
Spellblade (FF5)

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Thief - FF1
Songstress - FFX-2
Archer - FFT
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FF1 (NES) - Thief

The best thing about a Thief in the FF1 NES version is that they become a Ninja upon promotion, but that shouldnt be taken into account for a poll like this, since the Ninja is its own class.

Otherwise, its a character that doesnt have magic and cant do much for physical attacks. He offers the least by far of any character in the game.

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FFT Knights. Archer has range which is infinitely better than what the Knights can do. Knights are slow as fuck, have small move range and their abilities are god awful. Only good thing about them is their equipment which makes them tanky but that's about it.

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Archer(FFT)
Nearly every other class in Tactics is better than Archer due to its class skill of Charge which, unlike its War of the Visions iteration, does not lock on target being almost unusable at higher charges.

That out of the way it's time for hot takes.

I nominate these two classes because they both have 1 internal use that does not involve staying that class.

Lancer/Dragoon(FFT)
Like Archer's Charge Jump is CT dependent and doesn't lock on. It escapes Archer level because its movement unlock of Ignore Height is broken as heck but I can't honestly say I've stayed in Lancer beyond that because it just mulches the primary action command.

Ninja(FFTA/TA2)
Everything this class gets outside of Dual Wield is done better elsewhere. Throw is done better by Rangers in A2, status inducing spells are done better by Elementalists in both variety and damage due to magic growth, and Assassin is a dang near combat match.

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uwnim posted...

Blue Mage

Blue Mage is awesome in FF5 and Quina in FF9. Strago is ok, but far from the worst.

Ill nominate FFT Bard. The work it takes to get him isnt worth it.

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Geomancer (tactics)

That's the one that really sticks out to me

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FF12- Foebreaker
FFT- Bard

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Veggeta X posted...

FFT Knights. Archer has range which is infinitely better than what the Knights can do. Knights are slow as fuck, have small move range and their abilities are god awful. Only good thing about them is their equipment which makes them tanky but that's about it.

Basically once you get Lancer, Knight becomes invalid

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DoGCyN posted...

Basically once you get Lancer, Knight becomes invalid

Not even, once you get Monk, Knight is invalid.

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Exactly, Knights are shit. Other melee class are so much better than Knights. Archer having range makes them a little less sucky. And you don't have to use their charged abilities.

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Gadgeteer FFTA

Completely RNG as its abilities can affect the enemies or you

Knights in FFT are okay - they're not amazing but rend speed with yell can break the game very fucking fast
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nothanks1 posted...

rend speed

That's if you can actually hit them with it LMAO.

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Veggeta X posted...

That's if you can actually hit them with it LMAO.

it works with guns too
Not sure if it works with (if it's possible even) the archer but I know chemists equip gun + knight is pretty fucking sick
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I dunno I guess Morpher from FFTA

Morphers allows you to become monsters sorta, but is limited to the ones you catch, and still limited to that particular monsters moveset.

Beastmasters control the monster, immedietely giving you their moveset and you can break laws with them. what better way than to take over a powerful monster, kill its friends, and send his ass to jail for it.

FF5's Berserker and Beast Master. FFT's Archer.

Bard (ffxiv)
Illusionist (ffta)
Archer (ffta)
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what was so bad about fft archer again?

PowerOats posted...

what was so bad about fft archer again?

Absolutely pointless skills
Unlike all the other jobs which had skills ranging from anything like 'damage speed' to 'use black magic', the archer had 'aim' which you'd select a unit (not sure if you could do a tile) and would add X to your attack and charge timer. So if you wanted to do some good damage, it would mean your turn would be longer and as such, the NPC will move as their charge time will be lesser
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i need y'all to stop it with the bard shade. i don't know how they fare in the mmos in 2021, but they used to improve every single party make up, and they were the chillest job to play.

another vote for fft archer. pretty useless once you get other jobs with ranged attacks.

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pauIie posted...

i need y'all to stop it with the bard shade. i don't know how they fare in the mmos in 2021, but they used to improve every single party make up, and they were the chillest job to play.

it doesnt even make sense because bard was strong as fuck for the majority of the game's life cycle, whereas jobs like monk and machinist have fluctuated from being off meta trash to good

FF1 - Thief
FFT - Archer
FF6 - Berserker

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Hmm... This is a tough one. I'll have to vote for FF1 Thief here.

Truly useless.

At least Archers in FFT can be used to cheese a couple of stages.

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PowerOats posted...

what was so bad about fft archer again?

Shit bows and Charge isn't worth the time it takes to charge up. Guns are a lot better and hit 100% of the time. Also, slight spoilers, you almost never start with the high ground, so you'll never get the full advantage of a when you can't aim arrows down on people.

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FF1 Thief
FF5 Berserker
FFT Onion Knight

FFT's Archer isn't good, but it's not trash. They have pretty good equipment options, one of the best support skills in the game (Concentrate), and a pretty good reaction ability (Adrenaline). Charge sucks, but Charge isn't the whole job.

tiornys posted...

but Charge isn't the whole job.

Yes it is. It literally has nothing else

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Archer - FFT
Trainer - FFX-2
Thief - FF1

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Sith___Master posted...

Archer - FFT
Trainer - FFX-2
Thief - FF1

For a second I was like, "WTF?" mixing up Trainer and Mascot, lol

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tiornys posted...

Charge isn't the whole job.

It's the only reliable source of physical ranged damage early on
Until you get monk
But it's completely destroyed by wizards/black magi since early on there's barely any good magic resistance so you can just wipe the fucking floor
Even Dorter is a prime example of an easy level if you take a few minutes to prepare

Like, archers suck so fucking much in the game. They're barely a step up from squires throwing stones and by the time they could possibly be good (with some form to keep an NPC from acting) they're massively outclassed.
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FF3 (NES) Geomancer

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Wtf @ thief being the worst. He can run from battle in FF1 which was hard to do. He also upgrades to ninja which can throw shurikens that do max possible damage.

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ChainedRedone posted...

Wtf @ thief being the worst. He can run from battle in FF1 which was hard to do. He also upgrades to ninja which can throw shurikens that do max possible damage.

you okay buddy? throw didnt exist until ff3

Reis posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Wtf @ thief being the worst. He can run from battle in FF1 which was hard to do. He also upgrades to ninja which can throw shurikens that do max possible damage.

you okay buddy? throw didnt exist until ff3

That and running wasnt fixed until the later remakes. In the original game, running was glitched.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Running_glitch
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Irony posted...

Yes it is. It literally has nothing else

Concentrate, Adrenaline, good equipment.

nothanks1 posted...

Like, archers suck so fucking much in the game. They're barely a step up from squires throwing stones and by the time they could possibly be good (with some form to keep an NPC from acting) they're massively outclassed.

I think there's too much looking at Charge and not enough looking at the rest of the job. Charge sucks even if you combine it with enemy position control. Bows do not suck and can do quite a bit more damage than guns or earth slash (and certainly more than throwing stones) for most of the middle portions of the game. That, plus Concentrate, is good enough to save them from the trash tier in my book.

nfearurspecimn posted...

FF3 (NES) Geomancer

At least has use for infinite spells in certain environments, especially in low level runs since it doesn't scale based off of job level.

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I'll second Gadgeteer from FFTA. Technically the job class returns in FFTA2 as Tinker, so I honestly don't know which is worse - the original insult, or the attempt to repackage the turd with a different name.

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tiornys posted...

Concentrate, Adrenaline, good equipment.

I think there's too much looking at Charge and not enough looking at the rest of the job. Charge sucks even if you combine it with enemy position control. Bows do not suck and can do quite a bit more damage than guns or earth slash (and certainly more than throwing stones) for most of the middle portions of the game. That, plus Concentrate, is good enough to save them from the trash tier in my book.

Concentrate and adrenaline are useless

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Remember you can nominate 3.

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