Poll of the Day > Trump's legal team laying groundwork to circumvent election results.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 2:28:56 PM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

Nothing to see here.

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Phantom_Nook
09/23/20 2:43:19 PM
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as usual, trumpers will ignore this.
except Zeus. he'll throw out some half-baked justification then blame the left for being upset.

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Zeus_LLC
09/23/20 2:44:36 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Nothing to see here.

Well, it IS the Atlantic. It's also funny because fewer than 24 hours ago you made a big claim about not reading far left propaganda and now you're citing a retread of a ridiculous allegation previously made against GWB and Obama (that once again demonstrates horseshoe theory)

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Phantom_Nook
09/23/20 2:47:29 PM
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called it.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 2:48:41 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
Well, it IS the Atlantic. It's also funny because fewer than 24 hours ago you made a big claim about not reading far left propaganda and now you're citing a retread of a ridiculous allegation previously made against GWB and Obama (that once again demonstrates horseshoe theory)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/

What sources do you get your news from, Zeus?

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Zeus_LLC
09/23/20 2:50:35 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
called it.

Guess I should have done an in-before-Phantom where I point out that he'll literally support anything -- no matter how fucking crazy -- as long as it attacks Trump while criticizing anybody who points out how stupid the material is. Then I could smugly sit there and do a trollish "called it" when he inevitably demonstrates his absurd anti-Trumpism.

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Phantom_Nook
09/23/20 2:52:30 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
Guess I should have done an in-before-Phantom where I point out that he'll literally support anything -- no matter how fucking crazy -- as long as it attacks Trump while criticizing anybody who points out how stupid the material is. Then I could smugly sit there and do a trollish "called it" when he inevitably demonstrates his absurd anti-Trumpism.
damn, dude, all I did was predict you'd throw out some bullshit. no need to get upset.

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shadowsword87
09/23/20 3:00:32 PM
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He was talking about how the elections weren't fair, and that the votes weren't real votes.
He literally did this last election, but he won, and so he didn't push the issue of "busses of immigrants" voting.

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Zeus_LLC
09/23/20 3:01:30 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/

So basically your defense is a potentially questionable site that STILL calls the Atlantic leftist? I imagine you simply picked the least damning of the same ones I googled and, upon reviewing them, didn't deem them authoritative-looking enough to post but you have more of a facts-be-damned approach.

You watched Bojack, right? When Diane was listing a bunch of liberal publications she had tried to write for, you'll remember that the Atlantic was right in there. It's a pretty openly-known association.

Jen0125 posted...
What sources do you get your news from, Zeus?

The mostly-leftist NPR (which I never pretend isn't leftist; granted, since I'm driving less right now, I'm listening to them somewhat less), USA Today, and to a lesser extent the BBC. Then, from a pragmatic standpoint, a lot of breaking news I might first notice here or via google results (at which point I look for the most reliable outlet first, then read what other outlets are saying). I make a point of looking at multiple sources rather than trying to rely on any one outlet. And while I do sometimes look at farther-left outlets like the Atlantic, I try to vet their claims against less biased sources.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 3:07:18 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
So basically your defense is a potentially questionable site that STILL calls the Atlantic leftist? I imagine you simply picked the least damning of the same ones I googled and, upon reviewing them, didn't deem them authoritative-looking enough to post but you have more of a facts-be-damned approach.

Do you suffer from selective reading? It's left-center. It's not left bias or extreme left bias. Do you understand there's almost no way to remove bias completely? It also states it is left-center because of the editorials, not the news articles. Please learn to read.

So you admit getting your news from left leaning sources as well? While trying to call out others?

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Arcturusisnow
09/23/20 3:07:29 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
So basically your defense is a potentially questionable site that STILL calls the Atlantic leftist? I imagine you simply picked the least damning of the same ones I googled and, upon reviewing them, didn't deem them authoritative-looking enough to post but you have more of a facts-be-damned approach.

You watched Bojack, right? When Diane was listing a bunch of liberal publications she had tried to write for, you'll remember that the Atlantic was right in there. It's a pretty openly-known association.

The mostly-leftist NPR (which I never pretend isn't leftist; granted, since I'm driving less right now, I'm listening to them somewhat less), USA Today, and to a lesser extent the BBC. Then, from a pragmatic standpoint, a lot of breaking news I might first notice here or via google results (at which point I look for the most reliable outlet first, then read what other outlets are saying). I make a point of looking at multiple sources rather than trying to rely on any one outlet. And while I do sometimes look at farther-left outlets like the Atlantic, I try to vet their claims against less biased sources.
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Jen0125
09/23/20 3:09:47 PM
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

BBC - left center

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/

USA Today - left center

Stop acting like you get your news from better sources.

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streamofthesky
09/23/20 3:20:33 PM
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You know, the article keeps referring back to the 2000 election.

And that just reminds me...

The election every 10th year is given much greater importance than any others due to it being a Census year, when districts are determined and set. Arguably as important overall as a presidential election year that isn't also a Census year. And when the two collide... as in 2000 and 2020....it's a generation-defining election, utterly unmatched in importance.
It's also well known that Republicans do better in non-presidential election years and Democrats do better in presidential election years... because the latter has higher voter turn out, which helps Dems.

So...Reps obviously rode their inherent advantage to wins in 1990 and 2010. Dems *should* have had the edge in 2000 and 2020 (again generally), to counter-balance this. Instead, 2000 was mired in controversy and 2020 seems like it'll make that look utterly docile by comparison.
Utterly fucking over Democrats both times. In the most critical elections for them to tip the scales back from the years of Republican dominance.

*loud "Hmmmm"-ing noises*
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Mead
09/23/20 3:39:48 PM
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we should do a total revolution from the ground up

this country is so freaking backwards at this point

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Zareth
09/23/20 3:45:01 PM
#15:


Jen0125 posted...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

BBC - left center

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/

USA Today - left center

Stop acting like you get your news from better sources.
Ah yes, the left-leaning centrist doesn't trust news that's left of center, because it's clearly far left.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 3:55:14 PM
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Zareth posted...
Ah yes, the left-leaning centrist doesn't trust news that's left of center, because it's clearly far left.

It's wild. If someone doesn't have the ability to extricate bias from fact they should not read news at all.

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Mead
09/23/20 3:58:07 PM
#17:


Jen0125 posted...
extricate

whoa

what is that word

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Jen0125
09/23/20 3:59:30 PM
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Mead posted...
whoa

what is that word

Big grad school student words

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Zeus_LLC
09/23/20 3:59:34 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Do you suffer from selective reading? It's left-center. It's not left bias or extreme left bias. Do you understand there's almost no way to remove bias completely? It also states it is left-center because of the editorials, not the news articles. Please learn to read.

>Asks if somebody suffers from selective reading
>Reads "leftist" as "extreme left" (which could just be conflating my comments)

The point was that even the sketchy, non-authoritative guide you linked was acknowledging a clear bias I had already pointed out. The significance being that even though you had carefully chosen a bullshit reference even the bullshit reference doesn't absolve the Atlantic of bias.

Jen0125 posted...
So you admit getting your news from left leaning sources as well? While trying to call out others?

First, I don't rely on far-left sources like you do -- you cite crap like HuffPo, which fact checkers (including the one you chose) routinely rank in their farthest-left bracket, and the Atlantic.

Second, while NPR is leftist, I don't rely on it as a primary source for information since any claims I hear are vetted elsewhere (something you don't seem to do at all which is why you wind up posting really outlandish crap).

Third, even though USA Today and BBC are acknowledged as being more towards the middle (well, except by your sketchy site), I STILL vet claims against other sources.

Jen0125 posted...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

BBC - left center

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/

USA Today - left center

Stop acting like you get your news from better sources.

You mean a sketchy, non-authoritative site you chose to go with (probably because the top few results didn't support your argument) is wrong?! Who would have thunk it!

However, it also circles back to my initial criticism of your low-information approach to media. And I suppose on some level it's inspiring, since it shows all I'd need to to sway the poorly-informed is create a website and buy an authoritative-sounding domain since I can count on people to not bother examining credentials, etc, to see that it's a one-man-with-volunteers operation where there's relatively little information out there about that one man. I can't even seem to find a Linkedin page, which is the barest minimum for a professional.

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Mead
09/23/20 4:01:29 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Big grad school student words

wow

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Jen0125
09/23/20 4:01:40 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
>Asks if somebody suffers from selective reading
>Reads "leftist" as "extreme left" (which could just be conflating my comments)

Bro, you're doing the same thing in this and other topics. Don't do things to other people you perceive are being done to you that you don't like.

Zeus_LLC posted...
First, I don't rely on far-left sources like you do -- you cite crap like HuffPo, which fact checkers (including the one you chose) routinely rank in their farthest-left bracket, and the Atlantic.

I got that link from reddit, dude. I don't even read Huffington Post on a regular basis. You can find the content of that article elsewhere. I thought you verify info with multiple sources? Stop derailing the topic and talk about the content.

Zeus_LLC posted...
You mean a sketchy, non-authoritative site you chose to go with (probably because the top few results didn't support your argument) is wrong?! Who would have thunk it!

You can read about their methodology yourself.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 4:02:20 PM
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I'm putting Zeus on ignore at this point. It's been wonderful not having him be a flea in my topics when he ignored me on his main account.

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streamofthesky
09/23/20 4:02:31 PM
#23:


The part about mail in ballots being rejected is very worrying. Over 500K just from the primaries, that's insane.
Since the linked article mentioned such minor fucking shit as signing the external envelope incorrectly, I think there really needs to be some sort of guide or video posted to walk people through how to fill it out. Because aside from the trivial bs, there are also a lot of dumb people who need guides on it.

Also, not sure if it's the same in every state, but for me...we're supposed to get the ballots about 3 weeks before the election (ie, ~ Oct. 13th) and you can hand deliver the completed ballot rather than mail it back. It's presumably the same or similar in other states...
So, please if you are doing mail in voting, keep aware of when you SHOULD get the ballot, so you have enough time to resolve the issue if it conveniently doesn't show up, and try to hand deliver the completed ballot to your local office so it can't get "lost in the mail". A 1 minute drop off to a nearly empty office w/ a mask on is still far safer than waiting in a big ass line on election day, and honestly worth whatever minuscule risk to ensure your ballot is received. Not sure if you can request the office to review the ballot for errors while you're there, but I'll definitely be asking...
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Phantom_Nook
09/23/20 4:09:42 PM
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just like I said, Zeus can't defend what Trump is doing. so he attacks your source.

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Wanded
09/23/20 4:14:07 PM
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trump doesn't need to cheat, he'll win 100% and even potd liberals know this, that's why no one here is willing to bet me on it, so the next move is to say "we didn't lose, he cheated"

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/23/20 4:16:08 PM
#26:


Phantom_Nook posted...
damn, dude, all I did was predict you'd throw out some bullshit. no need to get upset.
Dont worry hell block ya soon enough. Start reporting him on the racist bs before the built in troll defense the mods built gets used and he can have an echo chamber. The site design really went to hell that day.

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Mead
09/23/20 4:16:19 PM
#27:


Wanded posted...
trump doesn't need to cheat, he'll win 100% and even potd liberals know this, that's why no one here is willing to bet me on it, so the next move is to say "we didn't lose, he cheated"



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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/23/20 4:23:39 PM
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Mead posted...
What I imagine Zeus looks like.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 4:28:35 PM
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Wanded posted...
trump doesn't need to cheat, he'll win 100% and even potd liberals know this, that's why no one here is willing to bet me on it, so the next move is to say "we didn't lose, he cheated"

Lmao

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Entity13
09/23/20 4:30:38 PM
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It's because of Zeus that I am out of popcorn and movie-theater-grade WD-40. Being predictable doesn't make this less of a spectacle.

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FourthDimension
09/23/20 4:49:40 PM
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Wanded posted...
so the next move is to say "we didn't lose, he cheated"
This is literally what Trump is preparing to do
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Wanded
09/23/20 5:41:36 PM
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FourthDimension posted...
This is literally what Trump is preparing to do
is trump a russian slilent agent spy who stole the 2016 election by colluding with russia?

because everybody who said this is true for 3 years are exactly the same people and outlets who are currently saying trump is cheating in 2020 or is going to cheat

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Mead
09/23/20 5:46:18 PM
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Wanded posted...
is trump a russian slilent agent spy who stole the 2016 election by colluding with russia?

because everybody who said this is true for 3 years are exactly the same people and outlets who are currently saying trump is cheating in 2020 or is going to cheat

trump is a dumb bitch is what he is

and a dumb bitch cant play fair

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Wanded
09/23/20 5:50:10 PM
#34:


Mead posted...
trump is a dumb bitch is what he is

and a dumb bitch cant play fair
and then you have some like mead who still say it's true

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PKMNsony
09/23/20 5:56:21 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
as usual, trumpers will ignore this.

Or maybe its because lefties seem to spend most of their day online posting and neither side is changing each others minds on anything. Seems like a great waste of time.
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PKMNsony
09/23/20 5:57:16 PM
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Mead posted...
trump is a dumb bitch is what he is

and a dumb bitch cant play fair
You sure bitch a lot. LOL.
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Mead
09/23/20 5:58:07 PM
#37:


PKMNsony posted...
You sure bitch a lot. LOL.

thats why Im not in charge of anything

and a dumb bitch like trump shouldnt be either

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Jen0125
09/23/20 6:04:01 PM
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PKMNsony posted...
Or maybe its because lefties seem to spend most of their day online posting and neither side is changing each others minds on anything. Seems like a great waste of time.

Just because you don't want to hear things doesn't mean they shouldn't be said.

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GanonsSpirit
09/23/20 6:12:42 PM
#39:


Wanded posted...
is trump a russian slilent agent spy who stole the 2016 election by colluding with russia?

Yes, that's what the senate intelligence committee determined.
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PKMNsony
09/23/20 6:12:48 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Just because you don't want to hear things doesn't mean they shouldn't be said.
The point was about the people spending their day online arguing with strangers trying to one-up each other and ultimately getting nowhere. Considering Im here hearing things shouldve made that more obvious.
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Mead
09/23/20 6:14:17 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
Yes, that's what the republican majority senate intelligence committee determined.


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GanonsSpirit
09/23/20 6:19:59 PM
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C'mon Mead, that was going to be my "Got him!" when he said that it was liberal nonsense.
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Wanded
09/23/20 6:24:45 PM
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PKMNsony posted...
Or maybe its because lefties seem to spend most of their day online posting and neither side is changing each others minds on anything. Seems like a great waste of time.
lefties inject politics everywhere in order to infect a-political people, which is most people, forcing people on the right to respond so people listen to both sides instead of being brainwashed, just count the political topics here and see who opens 90% of them


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papercup
09/23/20 6:25:06 PM
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Also the republican majority senate determined that Hunter Biden did nothing wrong in Ukraine, making Trump look stupid. Woopsie-doodles! :D

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Blightzkrieg
09/23/20 6:25:36 PM
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Zeus literally can't speak in terms of correct and incorrect, or truth and lies, only left and right. His goal is not to be correct, but to sit comfortably in the unbiased middle between democrats and literal fascists.

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Jen0125
09/23/20 6:30:45 PM
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Wanded posted...
lefties inject politics everywhere in order to infect a-political people, which is most people, forcing people on the right to respond so people listen to both sides instead of being brainwashed, just count the political topics here and see who opens 90% of them

You literally almost exclusively post about politics on this board

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Entity13
09/23/20 6:33:08 PM
#47:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Zeus literally can't speak in terms of correct and incorrect, or truth and lies, only left and right. His goal is not to be correct, but to sit comfortably in the unbiased middle between democrats and literal fascists.

Unfortunately for him, it comes off as hard-right more than it does anything to the left of that, going as far as to criticize any source that has tested for being actually close to the middle. You know, like a great many Conservatives do (and some Liberals going the other way).

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Wanded
09/23/20 6:35:52 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
You literally almost exclusively post about politics on this board
i would say it's 60-40, not exclusively
again though, why is it mostly liberals who open 90% of the politics topics? there is a difference between me posting about politics out of nowhere and me posting politics in response to politics

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Jen0125
09/23/20 6:46:06 PM
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Wanded posted...
i would say it's 60-40, not exclusively
again though, why is it mostly liberals who open 90% of the politics topics? there is a difference between me posting about politics out of nowhere and me posting politics in response to politics

I've never seen you make a non-political post.

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Entity13
09/23/20 6:53:33 PM
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Wanded posted...
i would say it's 60-40, not exclusively
again though, why is it mostly liberals who open 90% of the politics topics? there is a difference between me posting about politics out of nowhere and me posting politics in response to politics

For most cases, I'd argue situational awareness more than flaunting political beliefs outright. Compare to a couple other users here, like Dilly, and it becomes full-on displays of how they think Trump is the best thing ever. At this point, for the former, it's become obligatory to say Zeus will appear to make a non-defense of the situation whether by calling it a lie because rightist media says something else, or because the carefully selected sources from the moderates and liberals alike are "leftist garbage" and not to be trusted. So of course it seems like liberals open the vast majority of these threads, because moderates and leftward are all trying to point out these things that are actually happening, not at all ignoring events as they come to light, and know the usual responders will do what said responders do every time. It's a merry-go-round of shit hitting the fan, and nothing more being done than people pointing it out and a handful of others calling that shit leftist propaganda.

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