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Cotton_Eye_Joe
07/08/20 1:49:02 PM
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Is Trump worse than Nixon?


Nixon was bad.

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onedarksoul
07/08/20 1:50:04 PM
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Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.

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MixedRaceBaby
07/08/20 1:51:56 PM
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onedarksoul posted...
Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.
true. but at least nixon resigned

and then was pardoned... oops.

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Questionmarktarius
07/08/20 1:53:10 PM
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Nixon wasn't even as bad as Wilson, who wasn't quite as bad as Jackson.
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COVxy
07/08/20 1:53:39 PM
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Depends on what you mean. Watergate, for instance, was far less egregious than any of the scandals that led to Trump's impeachment.

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Broseph_Stalin
07/08/20 1:54:16 PM
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onedarksoul posted...
Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.

you got that reversed
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Bishop9800
07/08/20 1:55:29 PM
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onedarksoul posted...
Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.


Trump's defense force.

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Extreme_light
07/08/20 1:56:47 PM
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onedarksoul posted...
Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.

I voted yes knowing some of the bad shit Nixon did outside of Watergate soooo

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
07/08/20 1:58:18 PM
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Nixon at least had the heart to resign. Trump is straight sinister.

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UnholyMudcrab
07/08/20 1:58:53 PM
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Nixon at least did some positive things. Forming the EPA and warming relations with China are better than anything Trump has accomplished.
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COVxy
07/08/20 2:01:31 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Nixon at least did some positive things. Forming the EPA and warming relations with China are better than anything Trump has accomplished.

Also founded OSHA.

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RichardHalpert
07/08/20 2:01:42 PM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Nixon was bad.
https://i.imgur.com/Zdnsuxi.gifv

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au_gold
07/08/20 2:03:30 PM
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Of course.

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I Like Toast
07/08/20 2:04:21 PM
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onedarksoul posted...
Everyone who votes yes doesn't know about Nixon.
I'd wager trump pretending Coronavirus wasn't a thing killed more Americans than Nixon prolonging Vietnam. And that's a pretty good reason to say trump is worse.

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Garioshi
07/08/20 2:06:20 PM
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Nixon codified the Southern Strategy, started the War on Drugs that is still ongoing nearly 50 years later, and extended the Vietnam War for 7 years purely for his own political gain. Without Nixon, there is no Trump.

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I Like Toast
07/08/20 2:07:06 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Without Nixon, there is no Trump.
Without obama there is no trump either but I wouldn't hold that against obama

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TheMikh
07/08/20 2:07:22 PM
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trump didn't prolong a bloody and unpopular war to take credit for ending it after getting elected

or launch anything on par with the war on drugs (afaik)

those aside i'd argue nixon was a better president in general

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Questionmarktarius
07/08/20 2:07:46 PM
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Garioshi posted...
started the War on Drugs
That started with the Smoking Opium Exclusion Act in 1909. Possibly even before that.
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CADE FOSTER
07/08/20 2:08:40 PM
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...
Nixon at least had the heart to resign. Trump is straight sinister.
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Payzmaykr
07/08/20 2:10:05 PM
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George Bush Sr was running the show when Nixon was in office. He had no control over JFK, but he has literally been in control of every president besides JFK, up through his son, and had heavy involvement in Obamas administration.

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COVxy
07/08/20 2:12:25 PM
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Idk, Nixon didn't hold children in what wouldn't pass for internment camps to punish immigrants and stoke flames of racism.

I think these types of 'who's worse?' conversations are mostly stupid. How are you evaluating 'worse'? Even if you had criteria, how do you compare across these types of very different events?

I think both suck, and people who try to do these comparisons are usually doing so for some underlying political reason.

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onedarksoul
07/08/20 2:15:23 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
George Bush Sr was running the show when Nixon was in office. He had no control over JFK, but he has literally been in control of every president besides JFK, up through his son, and had heavy involvement in Obamas administration.
Interesting take. He wasn't CIA director for very long though, maybe a year, if thats what you refer to.

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Irony
07/08/20 2:16:19 PM
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COVxy posted...
Idk, Nixon didn't hold children in what wouldn't pass for internment camps to punish immigrants and stoke flames of racism.
FDR did that


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Garioshi
07/08/20 2:17:02 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Without obama there is no trump either but I wouldn't hold that against obama
I would. Trump couldn't capitalize on the anger of workers whose jobs were outsourced under Obama, people whose economic situation hadn't improved in 8 years, people whose healthcare was still too expensive because Obamacare was Nixon's healthcare plan from 40 years ago that didn't go far enough, those who opposed interventionist wars that Obama continued, and those who saw not a single Wall Street executive be prosecuted or even punished for their financial crimes that broke the Earth, with not even a safeguard in place to prevent future Great Recessions, all under Obama, if Obama wasn't a terrible neoliberal who didn't govern like how he campaigned.

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I Like Toast
07/08/20 2:18:41 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I would
Then I know your opinions aren't worth reading

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Extreme_light
07/08/20 2:19:25 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
That started with the Smoking Opium Exclusion Act in 1909. Possibly even before that.

The action taking against drugs started long before Nixon but Nixon specifically targeting communities of color was his administration doing.

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Irony
07/08/20 2:20:56 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Then I know your opinions aren't worth reading
Well he thinks QoS is a top 5 Bond film

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Garioshi
07/08/20 2:22:20 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Then I know your opinions aren't worth reading
Must be nice to write off criticism of Obama and not have to think about all the bad things he did huh

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COVxy
07/08/20 2:25:03 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Must be nice to write off criticism of Obama and not have to think about all the bad things he did huh

It just seems hard to imagine that there is any political figure that could maintain your expectation of moral and political purity.

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I Like Toast
07/08/20 2:25:53 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Must be nice to write off criticism of Obama and not have to think about all the bad things he did huh

Must be nice to see the world in red and blue huh?

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bknight
07/08/20 2:30:15 PM
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Nixon did not take Dijon mustard on his sandwich or waste time watching March Madness.
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ThisGuyAreSick
07/08/20 2:30:56 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Nixon at least did some positive things. Forming the EPA and warming relations with China are better than anything Trump has accomplished.

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Letron_James
07/08/20 2:31:13 PM
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Obama is worse because he wore a tan suit

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DeadBankerDream
07/08/20 2:31:53 PM
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Just because the partisan republicans voted to acquit Trump doesn't mean his crime doesn't exist and isn't worse than Nixon's.

It does and it is.
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Questionmarktarius
07/08/20 2:32:03 PM
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Extreme_light posted...
The action taking against drugs started long before Nixon but Nixon specifically targeting communities of color was his administration doing.
The opium acts were all about Chinese rail workers.
Prohibition was driven, at least in part, by anti-Irish sentiment.
Marihuana Tax Act was targeted at Mexicans and "jazz musicians".
Khat is illegal mostly because mid-easterners.

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Garioshi
07/08/20 2:37:12 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Must be nice to see the world in red and blue huh?
If you actually read what I posted you'd know I said that Obama lead to Trump because he was too right-wing. If Obama did actually left-wing policies that solve problems instead of incrementalism, there wouldn't have been an anger from the working class for Trump to capitalize on.

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Damn_Underscore
07/08/20 2:50:10 PM
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I think Trump is very similar to Nixon. Price controls/Nixon Shock is something Trump would have done. Watergate is something very similar to what Trump would have done.

The difference is that Nixon was diplomatic and Trump isn't. Not sure what's more dangerous.


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spanky1
07/08/20 2:55:39 PM
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Nixon didnt gleefully, like a cartoon villain, encourage 50% of the American population hate the other 50%.
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Extreme_light
07/08/20 3:01:30 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The opium acts were all about Chinese rail workers.
Prohibition was driven, at least in part, by anti-Irish sentiment.
Marihuana Tax Act was targeted at Mexicans and "jazz musicians".
Khat is illegal mostly because mid-easterners.

This is nothing new.

It's still something that was done, when it didn't have to be.

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Garioshi
07/08/20 3:03:50 PM
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spanky1 posted...
Nixon didnt gleefully, like a cartoon villain, encourage 50% of the American population hate the other 50%.
Yeah, he gleefully encouraged 85% of the American population to hate 11% of the American population.

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Bolle_Henk_
07/08/20 3:07:25 PM
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Garioshi posted...
If you actually read what I posted you'd know I said that Obama lead to Trump because he was too right-wing. If Obama did actually left-wing policies that solve problems instead of incrementalism, there wouldn't have been an anger from the working class for Trump to capitalize on.

Personally the fault lies in the insane amount of maliciousness of the Republicans during Obama's terms. Obama couldn't have done anymore because those GOP idiots did everything in their power to make Obama as ineffective as possible.

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MarqueeSeries
07/08/20 3:07:52 PM
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Might as well ask me if I'd rather have dog shit or cat shit in my mouth.
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