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NotYou
06/19/20 7:33:00 PM
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Three hours of sheer hell. What a nightmare.
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Reis
06/19/20 7:34:22 PM
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DevsBro
06/19/20 7:35:04 PM
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Is this a FM thing? I don't think I've ever heard of it.

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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:36:08 PM
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Lmao, didn't pick staff, did you?

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Irony
06/19/20 7:36:22 PM
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Idk what that is and I've played them all

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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:38:40 PM
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Anyway, it wouldn't take more than a handful of tries if you pick staff and use Diamond Dust with Ragnarok. If you don't have that extra MP tho...

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DevsBro
06/19/20 7:40:24 PM
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People recommending staff? Gotta be FM. The staff was utter garbage in vanilla.

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AlmightyCheeks
06/19/20 7:41:41 PM
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I mean, it's a game for children so ofcourse its gonna have stupid shit

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NotYou
06/19/20 7:42:43 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Is this a FM thing? I don't think I've ever heard of it.
Could be. I don't know. You have to cast Stop on an enemy and then hit it 100 times in the ~17 seconds your Stop lasts. The timing is ridiculously tight. You have to get off 3 Ragnarok attacks, but if the damn lasers randomly bounce around a little you fail because it doesn't recharge in time. So you have to do it perfectly and hope for some luck. Feels sometimes like the game just uses a random number generator to decide how many hits you get.

Jabodie posted...
Anyway, it wouldn't take more than a handful of tries if you pick staff and use Diamond Dust with Ragnarok. If you don't have that extra MP tho...
I picked Shield and I don't have Diamond Dust, so I used Lady Luck. I had 15 MP.
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Mistere Man
06/19/20 7:42:49 PM
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DevsBro posted...
People recommending staff? Gotta be FM. The staff was utter garbage in vanilla.
The extra magic was nice.

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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:43:03 PM
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DevsBro posted...
People recommending staff? Gotta be FM. The staff was utter garbage in vanilla.
Staff is the objective best end game choice because it gives higher max mp, where other choices will give you advantages in stats you can upgrade with synthesize items.

MP is also you magic damage stat, and generally speaking the highest dps/ most effective strategies in the game are magic based.

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DevsBro
06/19/20 7:45:37 PM
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Mistere Man posted...
The extra magic was nice.
1 MP.

EDIT: Wait, actually I was thinking of if you drop the shield.

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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:45:50 PM
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NotYou posted...
I picked Shield and I don't have Diamond Dust, so I used Lady Luck. I had 15 MP.
I forgot you mention you can use cosmic arts for more mp.

If you didn't know, stop time is based on total MP, and every MP adds a second. If you pick staff/diamond dust this will only take you a few tries.

Edit: More specifically, stop time is your max MP +2.

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Irony
06/19/20 7:48:17 PM
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I've never used stop outside of the phantom battle and I've beaten the game at level 1

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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:50:57 PM
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Also, max MP affects summon time and damage, Aero duration, cure healing, and of course damage on all othe spells. Since magic/summons is generally the fastest and easiest way to kill enemies in this game, the best way to cheese the game is stock a ton of ethers and spam magic.

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NotYou
06/19/20 7:52:39 PM
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Irony posted...
I've never used stop outside of the phantom battle and I've beaten the game at level 1
Okay? Stop is a mechanic in this "fight". It's how you have to begin it if you want a Prime Cap.

The worst part about all of this was having to watch the Bambi summon animation a million times.
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NotYou
06/19/20 7:58:18 PM
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Jabodie posted...
Anyway, it wouldn't take more than a handful of tries if you pick staff and use Diamond Dust with Ragnarok. If you don't have that extra MP tho...
Yeah, I realized way too late that I was making it harder than it ought to have been. Just did one more off-the-cuff run after and got 94 hits, which is my second-best time. My 'breakthrough' was not being an idiot and realizing I could switch between targets. Head for Ragnarok, and body for normal attacks because it's faster not having to jump like an idiot. Then you just need a spot of luck with the lasers and it's really not all that difficult. I can't see myself getting stuck on this one again. Oh well, live and learn.
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Jabodie
06/19/20 7:59:02 PM
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oh yeah, target switching is really helpful.

Edit: but don't worry, this shit took me dozens of tries my first time too. I think i dropped staff on that run lmao

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NotYou
06/20/20 6:18:07 PM
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Second worst now. Sephiroth sucks.
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Jabodie
06/20/20 6:54:39 PM
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What level were you? All the bosses aside from the puzzle bosses can be cheesed by level grinding. After that, the only issue is his 1hp gimmick.

Also KH1 Sephiroth is pretty simple in terms of series super bosses imo. Wait till you fight MF in BBS or LS in 2FM lmao.

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NotYou
06/20/20 9:59:04 PM
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Jabodie posted...
What level were you? All the bosses aside from the puzzle bosses can be cheesed by level grinding. After that, the only issue is his 1hp gimmick.

Also KH1 Sephiroth is pretty simple in terms of series super bosses imo. Wait till you fight MF in BBS or LS in 2FM lmao.
Level 85 lol. Stats are basically maxed from what I understand (64 STR, 51 DEF, 93 HP). I can't seem to react fast enough to avoid the 1hp attack, but he doesn't even need it to dominate me.
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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:02:08 PM
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I think there's a way to cheese him with strike raid you're having trouble. You also don't need to avoid the 1hp attack, just the follow ups to get a heal in. He'll eventually relent, but it will take some trial and error to get down the dodges. Preventing the 1hp attack is pretty difficult iirc, so i wouldn't count on doing it every time.

Also carry some elixirs and/or ethers.

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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:05:05 PM
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https://youtu.be/HgHXgPxfzMY

Yup it's even fast enough to knock him out of sin harvest (1hp attack) lmao.

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NotYou
06/20/20 10:14:36 PM
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Jabodie posted...
https://youtu.be/HgHXgPxfzMY

Yup it's even fast enough to knock him out of sin harvest (1hp attack) lmao.
Heh. It's a battle of iframes. I don't think I've used Strike Raid even once so far. Maybe I should, but that's a little lame. I'm not a very good player tbh, but I'd rather beat things without cheesing them. It's just annoying that I can't even react to his attacks, just get hit.
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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:16:56 PM
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Yeah, if you want help with strategies I'd watch a level 1 no damage proud fight. Those will probably have strategies that are consistent and safe.

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Irony
06/20/20 10:17:25 PM
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Jabodie posted...
What level were you? All the bosses aside from the puzzle bosses can be cheesed by level grinding. After that, the only issue is his 1hp gimmick.

Also KH1 Sephiroth is pretty simple in terms of series super bosses imo. Wait till you fight MF in BBS or LS in 2FM lmao.
LS?

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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:19:28 PM
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Irony posted...
LS?
Lingering Sentiment. I guess the official name is Lingering Will, but I think the community referred to him as Lingering Sentiment for years before the official translation.

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Irony
06/20/20 10:20:48 PM
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All you need to beat LW is combo downs

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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:29:07 PM
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Irony posted...
All you need to beat LW is combo downs
On Crit? Idk I definitely found him harder than KH1FM Proud Sephiroth.

Of course, nothing is as wretched as MF.

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Irony
06/20/20 10:32:59 PM
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IIRC you get a combo down from a fight

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NotYou
06/20/20 10:45:02 PM
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Jabodie posted...
Yeah, if you want help with strategies I'd watch a level 1 no damage proud fight. Those will probably have strategies that are consistent and safe.
I've watched a couple, but it hasn't really helped much. One thing I don't understand is that in the beginning of the fight in the videos I watched he uses like 75+% the basic low slash that you can jump over and punish. When I fight him he's constantly using that damn back and forth slash that hits me out of the air. Then when he finally does the low slash suddenly he's got hyper armor and using the fire attack. What am I doing differently that I'm consistently baiting the wrong attack?
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Jabodie
06/20/20 10:54:25 PM
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This video has an interesting description:

https://youtu.be/exgsAWdSomA

Anyway at around 2:35 in that video you can tell the player is waiting for the animation to start and reacting with a jump twice in a row, not jumping and hoping for the slash. So he stays grounded to bait the slash and jumps when he sees Sephiroth reach for the sword. That's what it looks like at least.

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NotYou
06/20/20 11:09:48 PM
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Jabodie posted...
This video has an interesting description:

https://youtu.be/exgsAWdSomA

Anyway at around 2:35 in that video you can tell the player is waiting for the animation to start and reacting with a jump twice in a row, not jumping and hoping for the slash. So he stays grounded to bait the slash and jumps when he sees Sephiroth reach for the sword. That's what it looks like at least.
I like how this dude's got more magic with 1 MP than I do with 11. Okay then.
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NotYou
06/22/20 9:21:03 AM
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Hey, I finally beat Sephiroth! Took a day off because I was frustrated, and came at it with a more patient frame of mind. It was ugly as hell, but I guess whatever works. Strike Raid MVP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8t1GVeyzB0

And about that random hooded dude in Hollow Bastion. Is this something that'll be explained in KH2? Trying not to spoil myself on the story even though people make fun of it.
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Noumas
06/23/20 4:38:12 AM
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I dunno tc, if you didnt choose staff and drop sword, you have only yourself to blame.

This thing is a huge amount of bullshit, and even with the YouTube clips telling you how to do it still annoys me, but as long as you have the right setup should be manageable enough to get.
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TheoryzC
06/23/20 4:43:18 AM
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NotYou posted...
Is this something that'll be explained in KH2?
Yea

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pegusus123456
06/23/20 4:47:25 AM
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I think they literally never reference it, but it becomes pretty obvious who and what it was.

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Garioshi
06/23/20 4:49:05 AM
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Oh no, not three whole hours!

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DevsBro
06/23/20 10:33:26 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Oh no, not three whole hours!
It's a long time when what you're trying to do theoretically takes under 20 seconds.

I mean if we were gonna expand the whole game proportionally, can you imagine one play through taking over 20,000 hours?

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Jabodie
06/23/20 1:04:04 PM
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NotYou posted...
Hey, I finally beat Sephiroth! Took a day off because I was frustrated, and came at it with a more patient frame of mind. It was ugly as hell, but I guess whatever works. Strike Raid MVP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8t1GVeyzB0

And about that random hooded dude in Hollow Bastion. Is this something that'll be explained in KH2? Trying not to spoil myself on the story even though people make fun of it.
Nice. Don't worry, the boss is pretty difficult. And a lot of skills transfer between games so you'll probably find this fight a lot easier if you go through the series then come back to it.

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Jabodie
06/24/20 12:20:43 PM
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Also tag me if you make more KH topics <_<

Especially about post game content.

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