Board 8 > Which was your favorite of the "newer" star wars movies?

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tyder21 posted...

TLJ > RO > TFA > Solo > ROS

This.

The last jedi at least attempted to tell a different story and not rehash the same theme/plot over and over. It's not perfect, but it tried.

Rogue One was a solid movie.
Force awakens was disappointing because it was just a new hope v2 with a couple of interesting characters (mainly Kylo Ren).
Solo was forgettable.
Rise of Skywalker may have been the worst movie I've seen in years, completely nonsensical, no substance and just going for a visual spectacle. It doesn't help that it spends the first half retconning the previous movie, which makes you wonder if they even planned the trilogy aside from: "Let's have three movies. Sounds good? Okay, let's get some lunch then. The plot? We'll take care of that when we get there."

I was never the biggest fan of Star Wars, but I still enjoyed seeing them. The new trilogy kinda killed my enthusiasm for the next ones.

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XIII_rocks posted...

I really like TFA. It's great, optimistic fun.

Han Solo getting murdered in cold blood by his own son and an entire star system getting wiped out = optimistic fun?

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redrocket posted...

Han Solo getting murdered in cold blood by his own son and an entire star system getting wiped out = optimistic fun?

Not to mention the New Republic being a footnote so glossed over people left confused about what system was destroyed. The aftereffects being nonsensical doesn't help.

Rather than Leia being a big part in rebuilding the Republic she's jaded and has no confidence. Yeah optimistic perhaps for the new characters.

It seems to be the edgy in thing to make beloved old characters suffer.

That's one reason I see The Rise of Skywalker as an improvement. Less of the different for the sake of it and edgy awful fates for characters.

TFA and TLJ sucked, but RoS was hands down one of the worst movies I have ever watched. Literal fucking blue sky lasers, the hallmark of shittily written blockbusters in 2020.

Voxwik posted...

Not to mention the New Republic being a footnote so glossed over people left confused about what system was destroyed. The aftereffects being nonsensical doesn't help.

Rather than Leia being a big part in rebuilding the Republic she's jaded and has no confidence. Yeah optimistic perhaps for the new characters.

It seems to be the edgy in thing to make beloved old characters suffer.

That's one reason I see The Rise of Skywalker as an improvement. Less of the different for the sake of it and edgy awful fates for characters.

Did you miss the entirety of TLJ, where Luke was a jaded prick who didnt give a shit about anybody until he randomly decided to disappear at the end of the movie?

I think the reason Rise of Skywalker was retooled into a grand finale for the whole saga was because of how closing instalments in trilogies or film sagas tend to be the highest-grossing of their series.

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TLJ > RO > TFA > RoS > Solo

Though in the long run I may put Rogue One on top, my first viewing of The Last Jedi was spectacular.

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Rogue One.

Nothing else made by Disney at this point is even canon to me.

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Wasn't a fan of Rogue One, but that might just be because I find the whole idea of the movie completely unnecessary. The fact the opening crawl of the first Star Wars movie made a halfway decent movie in its own right is still quite something, thinking about it.

I just personally thought there was too much dull exposition and too many flat characters. The visuals and action scenes were on point and it was nice seeing the early days of the rebellion.

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cerna_zelva posted...

Did you miss the entirety of TLJ, where Luke was a jaded prick who didnt give a shit about anybody until he randomly decided to disappear at the end of the movie?

My reply was about TFA. But yeah there were parts of TLJ I liked, but when I realized I had no desire to rewatch it I accepted how it just didn't work for me.

Maybe if I rewatch TRoS I'll understand why some dislike it so much, but for me it was a breath of fresh air after TLJ.

Then there is Captain Useless, who was hyped up then never developed and people weren't even sure she died in TLJ. The shield moment is the single most implausible thing to happen in the entirety of TFA in my opinion. As if a high ranking officer would lower the shields at gunpoint, and as if a single person plausibly would have access to do so. I thought just maybe there was more to it, but nope she dies as a virtual non-character in TLJ.

redrocket posted...

Han Solo getting murdered in cold blood by his own son and an entire star system getting wiped out = optimistic fun?

Lots of movies where terrible stuff happens are still fun. TFA had a kind of fresh, infectious enthusiasm to it that I like. Such as right after Rey and Finn win that dogfight on Jakku and they're like "that was so great" and all hyped about it. It was likeable.

For what it's worth, even New Hope has been described as "fresh, light, fun" - by Alec Guiness, among others - even though it also features the destruction of a planet. Destroying a planet/solar system is obviously horrific but it's so unreal, almost impersonal, that you can get away with it and still have a light tone because that's how humans' minds work.

Killing the old characters isn't some crazy move or something when TFA literally just followed the New Hope blueprint of having would-be Vader killing the old mentor character. And that's if we're arguing on your terms, in the weird and stupid world where "edgy" is a fucking criticism when actually to be edgy means to try and stay ahead of the curve and break new ground. "Edgy" as a mocking term is just the result of people who saw the term "edgelord" and completely missed the point of it, and it's super dumb.

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I actually think Kylo being a shithead edgelord is the only genuine character moment of the entire trilogy. Rey/Finn/Poe were just so flat and emotionless, whereas I think we can all relate to Kylo on some level. It helps that Adam Driver is by far the best actor of the bunch.

Anyone who liked TFA should really watch the RedLetterMedia teardown

Kylo literally being a wannabe Vader was brilliant and worked very well I think. It was a very good decision to do that rather than attempt to make another Vader. I do like the three leads too, though I think the total lack of planning ruined what could have been far better arcs for the characters over the trilogy.

I don't call some bad things happening to the older characters edgy, but when the best that can be said for them is "there were good times too" many years in the past and all the older heroes' lives are depressing messes before they die, that I call edgy. It's "bold" to treat favorite characters like that, and that's why I call it edgy.

It reminds me of Chrono Cross, with the game doing similarly off screen to four of the heroes of Chrono Trigger. Crono and Marle/Nadia? Dalton messed with the timeline and their southern neighbor got militarized, invaded Guardia, and presumably killed them. Lucca? She adopted a mysterious child and opened an orphanage... before the villain burned it to the ground and killed her. Robo/Prometheus? Deleted on screen. True many of those events may have been affected by the end of the game, but it wasn't well received there either.

It's the trendy thing to do too. Star Trek has done it too lately, with Star Trek Picard killing Icheb in a completely unnecessarily gory scene. Hugh's death was completely pointless too, but at least that wasn't horror movie material.

So yeah that seems to be trendy when making sequels, so I call it edgy. I like all three of the above. Torturing older characters is a trend that is annoying to me though.

I didn't like the world-building involved in the creation of the villainous faction of the ST.

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They're all pretty bad but Rogue One is the lesser of the evils, in my opinion. Never saw Solo, though.

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Surskit posted...

They're all pretty bad but Rogue One is the lesser of the evils, in my opinion. Never saw Solo, though.

It's pretty much "tick the check boxes of his backstory" but I think they did it well personally.

TFA > RO > TLJ > Solo > RoS

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Solo would've been better if the main character wasn't Han Solo. The actor could not channel Harrison Ford's version of the character whatsoever, and it made the movie less enjoyable for me because the difference was so jarring.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I didn't like the world-building involved in the creation of the villainous faction of the ST.

This was my main problem with the films, yes.

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Leonhart4 posted...

Solo would've been better if the main character wasn't Han Solo. The actor could not channel Harrison Ford's version of the character whatsoever, and it made the movie less enjoyable for me because the difference was so jarring.

I don't agree. I think he captured a young Han very well. It's easy to imagine that he learned to be more like the Harrison Ford version as he grew up. In fact I think he grows into that version a little throughout the movie.

Especially at the end, since he shoots first, that is Han Solo.

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Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the casting going in based on other stuff I had seen the actor in (Hail, Caesar! mostly). I actually thought it was the kid from Baby Driver when I saw the name.

But I think he actually did a pretty good job. Playing one of the most charismatic characters in history is hard enough, trying to play a younger version of another actor playing said character is even harder.

My issue with the movie was it showing us stuff that was better left unseen. We really didn't need to see the Kessel Run, it worked better as a legend, and there is zero tension in a sequence we know Han succeeds at. Trying to create false tension with the black hole or whatever makes it even worse.

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Whenever I see Solo on TV I just check out because the film looks like it came off an assembly line, even moreso than Rogue One. And yet people act as if the movie would have been a hit if only it wasn't for The Last Jedi, which looks moronic since Rise of Skywalker was still a hit, even if not much of one.

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If you always avoid seeing it you aren't in much of a position to judge it. If you mean you saw it once and don't want to again, never mind.

I tried watching the train scene and it upset me. Wasn't a fan of The Last Jedi but it at least felt like it was aspiring for SOMETHING.

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The kessel run was my favorite part of the movie >_>

It was a really fun adventure action scene in space, like what Star Wars was made for. Knowing that it all works out okay isn't a big deal to me, I enjoy the journey even though we've already seen the destination.

I find it similar to rewatching movies, you already know how it's gonna end but you still enjoy seeing how everything unfolds again for whatever reasons.

Although it was stupid how he wasn't already named Han Solo, like how did he make it that far without his last name ever being brought up

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Voxwik posted...

If you always avoid seeing it you aren't in much of a position to judge it. If you mean you saw it once and don't want to again, never mind.

That's LMS' gimmick

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7 > Solo > 9 > Rogue One > 8

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Heroic_TuRtLe posted...

I actually think Kylo being a shithead edgelord is the only genuine character moment of the entire trilogy. Rey/Finn/Poe were just so flat and emotionless, whereas I think we can all relate to Kylo on some level. It helps that Adam Driver is by far the best actor of the bunch.

Anyone who liked TFA should really watch the RedLetterMedia teardown

Kylo is by FAR the best character in the sequel trilogy. He's the only one who's genuinely conflicted and unpredictable.

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CassandraCain posted...

I don't agree. I think he captured a young Han very well. It's easy to imagine that he learned to be more like the Harrison Ford version as he grew up. In fact I think he grows into that version a little throughout the movie.

Especially at the end, since he shoots first, that is Han Solo.

Eh, they made him do Han Solo things but he never made me believe, "This is Han Solo."

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TLJ is the only one I like really.

Truly amazing how weak a creator J-Brams has shown he is over the past decade.

Oh yeah I really don't like people who act like these movies make all men look weak to prop up the women. It's not like the real world is much better.

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SavageInTheBox posted...

Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the casting going in based on other stuff I had seen the actor in (Hail, Caesar! mostly). I actually thought it was the kid from Baby Driver when I saw the name.

The "kid from Baby Driver" would've likely done a better job of capturing the character. That kid's got some acting chops for sure. If I recall he was actually in contention for the role too before the director settled on the Solo we got. Though I don't think even Ansel Elgort could've saved the movie from being what it was, which is:

Voxwik posted...

It's pretty much "tick the check boxes of his backstory"

And not done particularly well. The 12 parsecs thing made me mega cringe when it happened. And oh I guess Chewbacca canonically ate some people once upon a time. Also there were some... revelations regarding the Falcon I didn't particularly care for either.

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The biggest problem is the femdroid's name is L3-3T. She's named after an internet term. I only just realized that recently, and now I'm wondering why I never saw anyone nitpicking this before.

Or maybe I'm the only one it bothers

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