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Skye Reynolds 04/02/20 9:16:36 PM #1:	Who would you pick for the enemies in the immediate sequel? The same type of enemy (gang, ninja clan, terrorist group, etc.) but a different group of them A different branch of the same villain organization A group led by a vengeful relative of the first baddie The last bad guy was secretly working for the new bad guy The new enemy is the only group the old enemy feared A new baddie is inspired to repurpose the name and cause of the old enemy group The best new adversary is an entirely different type of adversary Who would you pick for the enemies in the immediate sequel? - Results (17 votes) The same type of enemy (gang, ninja clan, terrorist group, etc.) but a different group of them 5.88% (1 vote) 1 A different branch of the same villain organization 17.65% (3 votes) 3 A group led by a vengeful relative of the first baddie 5.88% (1 vote) 1 The last bad guy was secretly working for the new bad guy 5.88% (1 vote) 1 The new enemy is the only group the old enemy feared 11.76% (2 votes) 2 A new baddie is inspired to repurpose the name and cause of the old enemy group 0% (0 votes) 0 The best new adversary is an entirely different type of adversary 52.94% (9 votes) 9 I've seen them all work well enough in different contexts, but it's always a bit awkward starting from scratch when the first movie or video game leaves no bad guys alive to become recurring villains. I'm curious what CE thinks on the subject. --- "I am fearful when I see people substituting fear for reason." The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:936678647] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote> Who would you pick for the enemies in the immediate sequel? The same type of enemy (gang, ninja clan, terrorist group, etc.) but a different group of them A different branch of the same villain organization A group led by a vengeful relative of the first baddie The last bad guy was secretly working for the new bad guy The new enemy is the only group the old enemy feared A new baddie is inspired to repurpose the name and cause of the old enemy group The best new adversary is an entirely different type of adversary Vote View Results Who would you pick for the enemies in the immediate sequel? - Results (17 votes) The same type of enemy (gang, ninja clan, terrorist group, etc.) but a different group of them 5.88% (1 vote) 1 A different branch of the same villain organization 17.65% (3 votes) 3 A group led by a vengeful relative of the first baddie 5.88% (1 vote) 1 The last bad guy was secretly working for the new bad guy 5.88% (1 vote) 1 The new enemy is the only group the old enemy feared 11.76% (2 votes) 2 A new baddie is inspired to repurpose the name and cause of the old enemy group 0% (0 votes) 0 The best new adversary is an entirely different type of adversary 52.94% (9 votes) 9 Show Voting Form I've seen them all work well enough in different contexts, but it's always a bit awkward starting from scratch when the first movie or video game leaves no bad guys alive to become recurring villains. I'm curious what CE thinks on the subject. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Azarias 04/02/20 9:18:29 PM #2:	The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy) --- People are prone to dying. <cite>Azarias posted [p:936678745] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 04/02/20 9:21:12 PM #3:	Azarias posted... The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy) If I had enough foresight, I'd have made "the hero becomes the new bad guy" as one of the options. I guess we'll just say the poll is limited to the hero returning in the same relative position. --- "I am fearful when I see people substituting fear for reason." The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:936678871] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Azarias posted... </cite> <quote>The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy)</quote> If I had enough foresight, I'd have made "the hero becomes the new bad guy" as one of the options. I guess we'll just say the poll is limited to the hero returning in the same relative position. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 04/02/20 9:26:59 PM #4:	This topic was inspired by American Ninja 2. I watched it the other night and found it funny that there just happened to be a second group of evil ninja terrorists with no connection to the ones of the first movie. --- "I am fearful when I see people substituting fear for reason." The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:936679128] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>This topic was inspired by American Ninja 2. I watched it the other night and found it funny that there just happened to be a second group of evil ninja terrorists with no connection to the ones of the first movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/02/20 9:28:10 PM #5:	I mean, I wouldn't write a sequel in that case. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936679174] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I wouldn't write a sequel in that case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 04/02/20 9:28:43 PM #6:	probably the second option, like it often plays out in real life. like, if you take out a cartel, for example, you'll often have lower ranking members starting their own, and that will lead to the creation of smaller, yet sometimes more brutal, cartels, since they're also warring with each other. so let's say you stopped Foxhound in MGS, it would have been cool if any remaining members tried to make their own combat units, and were in conflict with not just Snake, since he would be an obvious threat, but also each other because they have competing interests. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:936679195] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>probably the second option, like it often plays out in real life. like, if you take out a cartel, for example, you'll often have lower ranking members starting their own, and that will lead to the creation of smaller, yet sometimes more brutal, cartels, since they're also warring with each other. so let's say you stopped Foxhound in MGS, it would have been cool if any remaining members tried to make their own combat units, and were in conflict with not just Snake, since he would be an obvious threat, but also each other because they have competing interests. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 04/02/20 9:30:03 PM #8:	boxington posted... probably the second option, like it often plays out in real life. like, if you take out a cartel, for example, you'll often have lower ranking members starting their own, and that will lead to the creation of smaller, yet sometimes more brutal, cartels, since they're also warring with each other. so let's say you stopped Foxhound in MGS, it would have been cool if any remaining members tried to make their own combat units, and were in conflict with not just Snake, since he would be an obvious threat, but also each other because they have competing interests. Metal Gear Arkham City --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936679259] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>boxington posted... </cite> <quote>probably the second option, like it often plays out in real life. like, if you take out a cartel, for example, you'll often have lower ranking members starting their own, and that will lead to the creation of smaller, yet sometimes more brutal, cartels, since they're also warring with each other. so let's say you stopped Foxhound in MGS, it would have been cool if any remaining members tried to make their own combat units, and were in conflict with not just Snake, since he would be an obvious threat, but also each other because they have competing interests.</quote>Metal Gear Arkham City </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/02/20 9:36:40 PM #9:	You know what, I take it back. I could see myself writing this sequel just to do a deconstruction of sequels. Some punk who worked for the bad guy's underling's underling's underling learns where the Magical Creation Guffin that gave the bad guy his power is and goes to find it. He never does, but the good guys lose to him anyway. Since he never found it, he goes home and the whole thing might as well have not happened except the heroes are dead. Then, as he's leaving the ice cave where he was sure it was, we see it glowing under the ice right where he was standing and the screen says TO BE CONTINUED, except there are actually no plans to ever continue because this movie is gonna flop like a skinny kid on the blob at camp. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936679546] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>You know what, I take it back. I could see myself writing this sequel just to do a deconstruction of sequels. Some punk who worked for the bad guy's underling's underling's underling learns where the Magical Creation Guffin that gave the bad guy his power is and goes to find it. He never does, but the good guys lose to him anyway. Since he never found it, he goes home and the whole thing might as well have not happened except the heroes are dead. Then, as he's leaving the ice cave where he was sure it was, we see it glowing under the ice right where he was standing and the screen says TO BE CONTINUED, except there are actually no plans to ever continue because this movie is gonna flop like a skinny kid on the blob at camp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/02/20 9:38:36 PM #10:	The people who step into the power vacuum, where they may be even worse than what was there before because they have to be ruthless to seize control. Probably even more than one group. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:936679646] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>The people who step into the power vacuum, where they may be even worse than what was there before because they have to be ruthless to seize control. Probably even more than one group. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 04/02/20 9:42:33 PM #11:	DevsBro posted... You know what, I take it back. I could see myself writing this sequel just to do a deconstruction of sequels. Some punk who worked for the bad guy's underling's underling's underling learns where the Magical Creation Guffin that gave the bad guy his power is and goes to find it. He never does, but the good guys lose to him anyway. Since he never found it, he goes home and the whole thing might as well have not happened except the heroes are dead. Then, as he's leaving the ice cave where he was sure it was, we see it glowing under the ice right where he was standing and the screen says TO BE CONTINUED, except there are actually no plans to ever continue because this movie is gonna flop like a skinny kid on the blob at camp. This is the screenplay you write when you don't actually want to make a sequel, but still want to collect a paycheck. --- "I am fearful when I see people substituting fear for reason." The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:936679805] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>You know what, I take it back. I could see myself writing this sequel just to do a deconstruction of sequels. Some punk who worked for the bad guy's underling's underling's underling learns where the Magical Creation Guffin that gave the bad guy his power is and goes to find it. He never does, but the good guys lose to him anyway. Since he never found it, he goes home and the whole thing might as well have not happened except the heroes are dead. Then, as he's leaving the ice cave where he was sure it was, we see it glowing under the ice right where he was standing and the screen says TO BE CONTINUED, except there are actually no plans to ever continue because this movie is gonna flop like a skinny kid on the blob at camp.</quote> This is the screenplay you write when you don't actually want to make a sequel, but still want to collect a paycheck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/02/20 9:45:18 PM #12:	Skye Reynolds posted... This is the screenplay you write when you don't actually want to make a sequel, but still want to collect a paycheck. Exactly. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936679953] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted... </cite> <quote>This is the screenplay you write when you don't actually want to make a sequel, but still want to collect a paycheck.</quote>Exactly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 04/02/20 9:52:11 PM #13:	Tim Burton did that when he wrote Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian. --- "I am fearful when I see people substituting fear for reason." The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:936680308] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Tim Burton did that when he wrote Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 04/02/20 9:52:34 PM #14:	The hero is the protagonist and the bad guy of the sequel --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:936680329] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>The hero is the protagonist and the bad guy of the sequel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 04/02/20 10:07:43 PM #15:	In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:936681083] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Distant_Rainbow 04/02/20 10:11:04 PM #16:	Azarias posted... The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy) Yeah, this. I imagine old Castlevania fans would have been flabbergasted the first time they were playing Symphony of the Night. --- Link meets Fire Emblem in CYOA: Tales of Elibe! Come read, and find out what happens! Click below! https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/468480-fire-emblem/77111212 <cite>Distant_Rainbow posted [p:936681239] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Azarias posted... </cite> <quote>The hero as the bad guy in the sequel, who may or not be being possessed by a different bad guy (who is the actual bad guy)</quote> Yeah, this. I imagine old Castlevania fans would have been flabbergasted the first time they were playing Symphony of the Night. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 04/02/20 10:18:10 PM #17:	Azarias posted... The hero as the bad guy in the sequel I don't often compliment *[Prototype]* but this is one of the things they did well with the sequel because it gave that lame character (the hero of the first game) a somewhat interesting personality. --- Yeah! You Go, Boy! https://imgur.com/pmc9XsI https://imgur.com/p6Wfowq <cite>Kitt posted [p:936681610] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Azarias posted...</cite><quote>The hero as the bad guy in the sequel</quote> I don't often compliment [Prototype] but this is one of the things they did well with the sequel because it gave that lame character (the hero of the first game) a somewhat interesting personality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 04/02/20 10:33:22 PM #18:	Either 1) Someone taking over the power vaccuum 2) The heroes dealing with their personal repercussions from the situation --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:936682424] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Either 1) Someone taking over the power vaccuum 2) The heroes dealing with their personal repercussions from the situation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 04/02/20 10:39:11 PM #19:	Sphyx posted... In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result. I'm assuming you're familiar with Mistborn. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:936682751] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Sphyx posted... </cite> <quote>In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result.</quote> I'm assuming you're familiar with Mistborn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 04/02/20 10:50:53 PM #20:	marthsheretoo posted... I'm assuming you're familiar with Mistborn. Yup. From the sound of it, i was happier with Well of Ascension than many other people were. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:936683376] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>marthsheretoo posted... </cite> <quote>I'm assuming you're familiar with Mistborn.</quote>Yup. From the sound of it, i was happier with Well of Ascension than many other people were. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 04/02/20 10:54:28 PM #21:	Skye Reynolds posted... This topic was inspired by American Ninja 2. I watched it the other night and found it funny that there just happened to be a second group of evil ninja terrorists with no connection to the ones of the first movie. But the ninja in 2 had a pistol grip pump action shotgun and lasers. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:936683552] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted... </cite> <quote>This topic was inspired by American Ninja 2. I watched it the other night and found it funny that there just happened to be a second group of evil ninja terrorists with no connection to the ones of the first movie.</quote>But the ninja in 2 had a pistol grip pump action shotgun and lasers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/02/20 10:55:28 PM #22:	ScazarMeltex posted... But the ninja in 2 had a pistol grip pump action shotgun and lasers. But was the pistol grip pump in their lap at all times? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:936683593] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>But the ninja in 2 had a pistol grip pump action shotgun and lasers.</quote>But was the pistol grip pump in their lap at all times? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 04/02/20 11:03:25 PM #23:	Sphyx posted... Yup. From the sound of it, i was happier with Well of Ascension than many other people were. I like Well of Ascension, but it's my least favorite of the three. In the trilogy I'm working on right now, I deliberately tried to avoid the book 2 slump but I think it hurt book 1 in the process. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:936683952] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Sphyx posted... </cite> <quote>Yup. From the sound of it, i was happier with Well of Ascension than many other people were.</quote> I like Well of Ascension, but it's my least favorite of the three. In the trilogy I'm working on right now, I deliberately tried to avoid the book 2 slump but I think it hurt book 1 in the process. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hicks233 04/02/20 11:08:16 PM #24:	Sphyx posted... In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result. Worked beautifully in The Godfather Part II. You're right though. Takes skill though to do a good job. --- http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=9458 So says Mr. Stewart. <cite>Hicks233 posted [p:936684173] in The hero h... [t:78535639]...</cite> <quote>Sphyx posted... </cite> <quote>In big epics i always liked the idea of the follow-up being more about resolving the collective problems caused in the aftermath of defeating the villain. It seems silly that the conflict and associated issues are considered immediately and completely ended, just because the head bad guy is gone. Also gives time to lay the groundwork for an ubervillain, or even hero-turned-badguy, in part three without that rushed "NEW VILLAIN APPEARS!" feeling. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it just doesn't work well as a story, and people will see part two as being the weak point as a result.</quote>Worked beautifully in The Godfather Part II. You're right though. Takes skill though to do a good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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