Poll of the Day > Can you be racist towards white peoples?

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Mead posted...

I mean there are some biological differences thats why some ethnicities are more vulnerable to certain types of disease

but theyre honestly super minor differences that shouldnt effect how people treat each other

some biological differences, but not any that would mark a racial difference

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

lolwut
there are definitely biological differences between different races. not that its a reason to shit on each other but to deny it is to deny science and facts.

Well, yes and no. There are definite distinct cosmetic differences but a lot of times people use them to justify various other discriminatory things without taking into account things like, say, cultural differences. For example, if you come from a culture where a heavy focus is placed upon academic success you will likely be smarter but not for racial reasons. Likewise, if you come from a place where there is a lot of terrible schools but ample demand for physical activities you'll likely become associated with dumb but strong despite there being no genetic component involved.

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Also race is a social construct btw

I disagree there are physical differences between races. Like black peoples natural hair. White peoples hair doesnt naturally grow like that. Not normally I'll say just incase there is cases in unaware of.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I disagree there are physical differences between races. Like black peoples natural hair. White peoples hair doesnt naturally grow like that. Not normally I'll say just incase there is cases in unaware of.

Thats an adaptive trait and has no basis in defining race. No one is claiming that black people have the same pigmentation as white people - just that these distinctions are more based on culture and society than it is in biology.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

then how can people tell what race someone was just by their bones?

We cant. Not definitely. We can say these bones most likely come from an Asian person, but theres so much overlap between races that you can never be certain.

A 2015 journal from Anthropological Review, Can ancestry be consistently determined from the skeleton?, by Ingrid Sierp and Maciej Henneberg:

Although the concept of race has been thoroughly criticised in biological anthropology, forensic anthropology still uses a number of methods to determine the race of a skeleton. The methods must be evaluated to see how effective they are given large individual variation. This study used 20 cases of skeletons of varied provenance to test whether the nine published methods of race determination, using a range of various approaches, were able to consistently identify the ethnic origin. No one individual was identified as belonging to just one major racial class, e.g. European, meaning that complete consistency across all nine methods was not observed. In 14 cases (70%), various methods identified the same individ- ual as belonging to all three racial classes. This suggests that the existing methods for the determination of race are compromised. The very concept of race is inapplicable to variation that occurs between pop- ulations only in small ways and the methods are limited by the geographic population from which their discriminant functions or observations of morphological traits were derived. Methods of multivariate linear discriminant analysis, e.g. CRANID, are supposed to allocate an individual skull to a specific population rather than a major race. In our analysis CRANID did not produce convincing allocations of individual skeletons to specific populations. The findings of this study show that great caution must be taken when attempting to ascertain the race of a skeleton, as the outcome is not only dependent on which skeletal sites are available for assessment, but also the degree to which the unknown skeletons population of origin has been investigated.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

lolwut
there are definitely biological differences between different races. not that its a reason to shit on each other but to deny it is to deny science and facts.

There are some differences between some groups of people, but not enough to make a case for racial differentiation, by biological definition.

Start posting sources and people stop replying. Now I know how @OhhhJa feels

MrMelodramatic posted...

Thats an adaptive trait and has no basis in defining race. No one is claiming that black people have the same pigmentation as white people - just that these distinctions are more based on culture and society than it is in biology.

Im just saying there are actual physical differences and race is how we humans chose to label them. We are still all the same species though.

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If I found Yao Ming's skeleton out in the woods somewhere, I wouldn't even being thinking Chinese from height alone, lol.

Averages can be used to form hypotheses and guide further investigation though.

mooreandrew58 posted...

Im just saying there are actual physical differences and race is how we humans chose to label them. We are still all the same species though.

So what youre saying is race is a social construct? Yes. Thats correct.

NeoSioType posted...

If I found Yao Ming's skeleton out in the woods somewhere, I wouldn't even being thinking Chinese from height alone, lol.

Averages can be used to form hypotheses and guide further investigation though.

Tru dat bro

I only read the 3/4 1st page but some people throwing heat at Mr Melo for simply asking a question.

He never stated his own opinion, just asked a question

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Mead posted...

No the whiteness reflects it back to the user doing bonus damage

idk how I missed this the first time but I laughed

MrMelodramatic posted...

Start posting sources and people stop replying. Now I know how @OhhhJa feels

Are you trying to say that I post sources and people run away? Somewhat accurate. usually people just say my sources don't count. But I'm sure you're trying to trash me as usual for whatever reason even though nothing I stated is worth trashing. I don't take you that seriously anyway and I don't think anybody else does here

OhhhJa posted...

Are you trying to say that I post sources and people run away? Somewhat accurate. usually people just say my sources don't count. But I'm sure you're trying to trash me as usual for whatever reason even though nothing I stated is worth trashing. I don't take you that seriously anyway and I don't think anybody else does here

Dude you are obsessed

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I_Always_Die posted...

Dude you are obsessed

Bro I post here waaaaaaag less than you and whenever I post you respond to me with this every time within like 2 minutes. If anyone is obsessed or needs a life it is definitely you bud

it was a joke dude calm the fuck down holy shit jesus fucking Christ wow

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also, wag less? Learn English

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Are you drunk?

I would say, yes its possible to be racist towards whites, but the difference is the societal structure of Western countries is still clearly set up to favor whites, and thus racist actions towards whites don't have any real oppression or threat tied to them on a systematic level, while racist actions whites make towards others have a distinct danger and oppressive element to it even when not being overtly threatening.

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MrMelodramatic posted...

So what youre saying is race is a social construct? Yes. Thats correct.

Tru dat bro

You can't deny that there are physical differences that do in fact make us different. Just that the differences boil down to looks mostly so it shouldnt be used to judge one another. Everything from skin color to typical facial features and hell some races are more prone to certain ailments iirc.

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I think people can be racist towards any race. They just have to choose to not be racist.

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Lmfao shame on you PotD for falling for this weak ass bait

I aint surprised I jus disappointed

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mooreandrew58 posted...

You can't deny that there are physical differences that do in fact make us different. Just that the differences boil down to looks mostly so it shouldnt be used to judge one another. Everything from skin color to typical facial features and hell some races are more prone to certain ailments iirc.

MrMelodramatic posted...

No one is claiming that black people have the same pigmentation as white people - just that these distinctions are more based on culture and society than it is in biology.

Uh what. How is physical differences not biological. Yeah culture caused those physical differences sure... Im done with arguing this.

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https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/pgasite/documents/webpage/pga_049913.pdf
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It doesnt biologically make people different races. It just makes us varied. Read a book.

MrMelodramatic posted...

It doesnt biologically make people different races. It just makes us varied. Read a book.

no, it doesn't make people a different species... it does make them a different race
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

no, it doesn't make people a different species... it does make them a different race

Can you find me any legitimate journal or report that supports this?

@Krazy_Kirby no? yeah i figured.

i turned off mentions over a year ago...

the link i posted shows differences in hair between races
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madadude posted...

I would say, yes its possible to be racist towards whites, but the difference is the societal structure of Western countries is still clearly set up to favor whites, and thus racist actions towards whites don't have any real oppression or threat tied to them on a systematic level, while racist actions whites make towards others have a distinct danger and oppressive element to it even when not being overtly threatening.

I think its less so that the system favor whites but more so Probability favors whites. If 76% of the USA population is white (including white Hispanics) of course you will notice when a majority of positions of power are taken by whites. Its a simple law of mathematics. In sports, if you make a shot on a goal 76 times of course more of those are going to be goals then someone who only shoots on the goal 14 times.

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madadude posted...

I would say, yes its possible to be racist towards whites, but the difference is the societal structure of Western countries is still clearly set up to favor whites, and thus racist actions towards whites don't have any real oppression or threat tied to them on a systematic level, while racist actions whites make towards others have a distinct danger and oppressive element to it even when not being overtly threatening.

Except that all the groups claiming to be oppressed are not oppressed. If the groups claiming to be oppressed would actually be oppressed, they wouldn't be able to publicly always shit on other races they THINK have privileges or to make all the fucking complaining they do about everything.

Want actual oppression and racism? Go into continents that continue, to this day, to actually, openly oppress groups such as homosexuals and women, while openly being xenophobic. But nah, I suppose openly calling out those facts would make a racist, Islamophobic, Nazi, or other stupid crap, right?

The very fact those groups are allowed to freely cry about being oppressed actually disprove they are being oppressed. Western countries are THE MOST open-minded and accepting countries in the world, and you're welcome to go into all those other continents who openly homophobic, xenophobic, and sexists and prove me wrong. If the current state of the world was reversed in term of prosperity, do you think the Middle-East would welcome "white" people? Africa? Excuse me for using the X : Doubt option.

So, yes, you can be racist to white people. No if, no but, no "muh privilege."

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People are so racist against white people that... well

https://i.redd.it/7fiz9suaov741.jpg

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