Current Events > Would you ever do unpaid overtime?

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Say your boss really wants you to do it, and goes on a spiel about loyalty, company progression, discipline etc.

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No

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Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum
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No

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Of course not. Sounds like grounds for a good lawsuit if someone was forced to do that.

I'm paid by the hour and just bought a new car that I owe 14k on, hell no.

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The majority of your overtime goes to pay taxes, and that's why I hated working over 40 hours, when I was hourly.

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I'm salary, so I don't worry about this hourly shtick

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Salaried, but I have done a ton of overtime that was unpaid.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum

Here here.

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nope.

time and a half made my Christmas
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I'm salary, so I have. I don't have to much the last few years.

kinetika_ posted...

The majority of your overtime goes to pay taxes, and that's why I hated working over 40 hours, when I was hourly.

That's not how taxes works

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I guess I would do it if I was working for a small business and the boss also would put in the work and not earn a lot more than me.

Ive mostly worked for big companies, so Ive made sure I got compensated well if I needed to work extra.

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I Like Toast posted...

I'm salary, so I have. I don't have to much the last few years.

That's not how taxes works

Yeah, they do. All that extra time went to paying FICA taxes and income taxes. I'd work 16 hours over to pay an extra $100 - $200. I was $15/hr at the time and at 56 hours I'd take home a little over $560 or so... which was an average of $10 an hour, after taxes. If I worked 40 hours my checks were $480.

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Nope

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kinetika_ posted...

Yeah, they do. All that extra time went to paying FICA taxes and income taxes.

I Like Toast posted...

That's not how taxes works

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I'm salaried, and yes I do occasionally. Don't make a habit out of it and I only do so to help the guys I work with directly. I help them, they help me. So if I fancy a lie-in and want someone to cover my 8am meeting, I can call in the favour.

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I end up working it sometimes, to help out one of the cool pharmacists. He does it as well, it's what happens when the guy running your district is an incompetent fucking piece of human dogshit. At the least the pharmacist I help makes food for us and buys lunch and always pays when we sometimes go out for beers and pizza.

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Okay, if they don't work that way... then why were my income taxes for those hours so insanely high? I'm truly curious why I was getting taxed more for those extra 8 - 16 hours. Why wasn't I taking home $800 for 56 hours?

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid

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At my first job my boss would "ask for a favor" and I worked over 40 hours a week for the guy with no difference in my check.

After 4 more times I finally realized that I was taken advantage of and have my two week notice.

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I swap shifts with coworkers off the record so sometimes I work an extra day unpaid, but then they pay me back later and work a day for me

idk if that counts >_>
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Like I wouldn't mind doing it if the taxes weren't fucked up. Like if I'm making 20 and take home 15 after deductions, if I put in 5 hours of OT for 150, I want to take home like at least 100, but I'll get like 75-80

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kinetika_ posted...

. then why were my income taxes for those hours so insanely high?

They weren't, because that's not how taxes work. There is no special tax on overtime. It's taxed exactly like the rest of your hourly wages.

Most payroll systems treat your weekly check as though it will be the same for the entire year. So if you worked extra hours and it caused it to look like you might have bumped up to the next tax bracket you might have more withheld, but you'd just get it back on your return since that's how taxes actually work.

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Who is still on salary after the Dept. of Labor increased the minimum to $684 per week?!

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"Loyalty".

That and $1.20 will get you something off the dollar menu.

Fucking PAY ME if you want my work.

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I Like Toast posted...

They weren't, because that's not how taxes work. There is no special tax on overtime. It's taxed exactly like the rest of your hourly wages.

Most payroll systems treat your weekly check as though it will be the same for the entire year. So if you worked extra hours and it caused it to look like you might have bumped up to the next tax bracket you might have more withheld, but you'd just get it back on your return since that's how taxes actually work.

Lmao! The guy above you just said what I was saying. Read his post. You're pushed up to a higher bracket for that overtime, so they tax you more because of that. After all the math, it actually lowers your hourly rate. Yeah, it's extra money, but it's not worth that extra effort. Like I said, at $15 an hour, working 56 hours -- 16 hours overtime --, I never saw $800. Why bust my ass for a company -- using my valuable personal time for them -- for a measly extra $100 - $150? It's not worth it, and that's why salary and commission are far better than hourly. You get your shit done, at your pace, and go home.

I don't pay my guys hourly, and I never will... and they will never ask me to, either. Want to know why? Because I don't care if they are working 10 hours less one week than another. In fact, they are more efficient and more productive since they know I don't make them work extra/overtime to earn their money. And on those holiday weeks I pay them $200 extra for the extra work involved, anyway.

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kinetika_ posted...

You're pushed up to a higher bracket for that overtime, so they tax you more because of that

I Like Toast posted...

That's not how taxes works

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Most americans don't know how taxes work, which is why they're stuck with little money and the upper class laugh their asses off at them.

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Well, since folks want to go with math...

$15/hr at 40hrs a week works out to 600 2400/month
2400 x 12 = 28,800/yr which puts you into the 12% tax bracket no matter how you file.
So 28,800 x 0.88 = 25,344. Then do the rest of the math backwards.
25,344 / 12 = 2112 per month. 2112 / 4 = 528 per week.

Now let's assume you get the same rate but with 16 hours overtime per week, using the above example. The only part that needs to be redone for the calculations are those extra hours at 1.5x rate, or 22.50/hr

22.50 x 16 = 360 x 4 = 1440 x 12 = 17,280

28,800 + 17,280 = 46,080
That would then put you into the 22% tax backet ONLY if you're filing as Single or Married Filing Separately. That bracket kicks in after annual incomes of $39,476.

So let's assume that the 17,280 is taxed at 22%. So you'd take 17,280 x 0.78 and get approximately $13,478 and then run the math backwards again.

13,478 / 12 = 1,123 per month, 1,123 / 4 = 280.75 per week.

So add in your original 528 to the 280.75 and you get 808.75 for your check.

Actual numbers are highly likely to vary by state, and the actual amount they tax at the higher bracket. But that's why you don't get as much as you think you would when working that much overtime. So while taxes are overall calculated on a yearly basis for individuals, for companies they're calculated quarterly. So when you go to file your taxes in the new year you'll bring in your W2 and whatever other documentation you'll need, and they'll see how much tax you paid overall. And if it's higher than your actual yearly income would dictate, you get the refund for the difference. So in your case if you actually made "not enough" money to be in the 22% tax bracket but were taxed at that rate on some paychecks, you'll get the difference back.

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I pray one day you're offered a raise and turn it down because you don't understand how taxes work.

You only pay 22% on the 6k over 39k when the 22% goes into effect. And even then a standard deduction will cover you.

Learn how taxes work, it's not complicated. Jesus.

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No. And it could potentially cost him a shitload if he demanded it of me.

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No
I've had the discussion with my boss where I explain that I work and he pays me for that time. At the end of the pay period we're square. I've also set up terms where if he asks me to do something beyond the scope of my normal job then I require additional compensation. I essentially explained it to him as if I was a mercenary.

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I Like Toast posted...

I pray one day you're offered a raise and turn it down because you don't understand how taxes work.

You only pay 22% on the 6k over 39k when the 22% goes into effect. And even then a standard deduction will cover you.

Learn how taxes work, it's not complicated. Jesus.

I dont have to worry about mine going up until I'm making about $80k a year, so won't have to worry about that. And yes I understand that you'd only be taxed at the higher rate for the amount that exceeds the lower tax bracket, but for the employer they have to tax that paycheck as though ALL of their paychecks would be at that rate.

It's less about the specific math and more about answering the question at hand. The answer is that they're put into a higher tax bracket for that paycheck, and thats why they don't see the amount of increase in the check they're expecting to.

Learn how payroll and corporate taxes work. They're a lot more complicated.

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Sabram posted...

Learn how payroll and corporate taxes work. They're a lot more complicated.

Learn the thing I already explained and showed how you'll get the money back on your refund because I understand both how taxes and payroll work?

I Like Toast posted...

Most payroll systems treat your weekly check as though it will be the same for the entire year. So if you worked extra hours and it caused it to look like you might have bumped up to the next tax bracket you might have more withheld, but you'd just get it back on your return since that's how taxes actually work.

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I Like Toast posted...

Learn the thing I already explained and showed how you'll get the money back on your refund because I understand both how taxes and payroll work?

That's.... exactly what I said at the bottom of my last post. I guess you didnt read that far?

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum

This

I had a boss who demanded it on a regular basis. I found a new job ASAP.

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Imagine being so lazy you're not doing this anyway LOL. Good luck getting ahead

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum

Shit my company doesn't even get the full 40 hours from me much less overtime.

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deupd_u posted...

Imagine being so lazy you're not doing this anyway LOL. Good luck getting ahead

*life-long underachiever does bare minimum at job*

"why do I feel like I'm not getting ahead in life!?"
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Fuck no.

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Irony posted...

No

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If I own the company, maybe.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If I own the company, maybe.

Came in to say this. I'm sure I'd do a lot of "unpaid" work where I the company owner.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum

this. i'm not a charity

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Salaried. When I was younger I played the martyr far too often. These days if I take overtime then I just take time off elsewhere.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Im on a salary so all overtime is unpaid
I keep it to a minimum

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Im a teacher. I literally do overtime every day. I probably work close to 70 hours a week.

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I'm salary so I work overtime unpaid.

I also work in the agricultural industry so I usually work a shitton of overtime with no extra pay and never having the comp days even out.

I've been looking at other jobs in the industry, since apparently nobody in management can figure out why they keep losing good field workers.

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