Current Events > It's illegal to deny The Holocaust in the UK?

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Scott_Farkus posted...

The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist,[5] who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence".[5][6] In addition, the court found that Irving's books had distorted the history of Hitler's role in the Holocaust to depict Hitler in a favourable light.

Dude, as already pointed out, by Firewerx, that's from a libel case, David Irving started. The court found it's not libel to call him an Holocaust denier, antisemite, and racist, as he is a Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist. It didn't find that any of that was a crime.

Scott_Farkus posted...

The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist,[5] who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence".[5][6] In addition, the court found that Irving's books had distorted the history of Hitler's role in the Holocaust to depict Hitler in a favourable light.

That was the judgement in the libel trial that Irving brought. The judgement explained why Lipstadt's characterization of Irving was not libellious. It wasn't a judgement in a criminal trial brought against Irving.

Damn, JE19426 got there first!

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TC quite rightfully getting pwned left, right and center here LMAO

Like, if you're going to try and troll at least get your base information right...

Anyone who goes to bat for Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned until they realize how dumb of a position that is.


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ArchiePeck posted...

TC quite rightfully getting pwned left, right and center here LMAO

Like, if you're going to try and troll at least get your base information right...

If he'd just said, "It's a criminal offence to deny the Holocaust in several countries: discuss the rights and wrongs", he'd have been OK and the topic would have been valid. But instead, he's insisted on fighting this losing battle of trying to prove something erroneous and in the process, he just keeps demonstrating that he doesn't properly research anything.

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coh posted...

We have free speech here.

Fucking A.
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Firewerx posted...

If he'd just said, "It's a criminal offence to deny the Holocaust in several countries: discuss the rights and wrongs", he'd have been OK and the topic would have been valid. But instead, he's insisted on fighting this losing battle of trying to prove something erroneous and in the process, he just keeps demonstrating that he doesn't properly research anything.

But that would mean this topic was actually made in good faith and isn't just another troll job by a user too cowardly to make this topic using their main.
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Bio1590 posted...

But that would mean this topic was actually made in good faith

I know, I probably gave him too easy a ride there. When someone keeps hinting that David Irving is a martyr and they're not too fussy about facts, I should know better.

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Why is it illegal to deny the Holocaust, but not other genocides?

For example, the genocide of the Native Americans?

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Rob Cesternino posted...

Why is it illegal to deny the Holocaust, but not other genocides?

For example, the genocide of the Native Americans?

This is why there's actually a serious debate to be had, with some hard questions, unfairly buried beneath the silliness of a troll topic.

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no but there is the coverup of the irish genocide by calling it a "famine"

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