Current Events > It's illegal to deny The Holocaust in the UK?

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Scott_Farkus
12/29/19 10:45:09 PM
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People have gone to prison for multiple years for it.
Discuss.
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BilalPowell
12/29/19 10:46:01 PM
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Seems to easy to get away with. Just use an anonymous Twitter name.

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Irony
12/29/19 10:48:16 PM
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Should send JBaLLEN66 there for vacation

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MorbidFaithless
12/29/19 10:48:47 PM
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Good

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Questionmarktarius
12/29/19 10:49:08 PM
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The UK has desperately been attempting to legislate away dumbassery for quite some time now. This is nothing new.
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FarFromFields
12/29/19 10:50:39 PM
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This site wouldn't even ban you for that. Pathetic.

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sktgamer_13dude
12/29/19 10:51:32 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
Good

FarFromFields posted...
This site wouldn't even ban you for that. Pathetic.


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Scott_Farkus
12/30/19 6:38:03 PM
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Bump
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lil_GoodOlJr_69
12/30/19 6:42:53 PM
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So if someone is 1 billion people died

And you deny that, are you a denier?
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TheGreatGeno6
12/30/19 6:44:49 PM
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As it should be. Fuck holocaust deniers, let them rot in prison with the rest of the scumbags

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lil_GoodOlJr_69
12/30/19 6:45:12 PM
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...
As it should be. Fuck holocaust deniers, let them rot in prison with the rest of the scumbags


I concur
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JKRowling
12/30/19 6:45:16 PM
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The Catgirl Fondler
12/30/19 6:51:27 PM
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JKRowling posted...
Its not illegal in America.


Unfortunately.
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Scott_Farkus
12/30/19 7:00:58 PM
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Opinions should never be criminal, no matter how stupid.
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BlockAddition
12/30/19 7:13:35 PM
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Holocaust denial is one of those things I find hard to believe that people do actually believe

Like flat earthers and bronies, it's just an easy group to get into that requires no skills to be a part of

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HashtagTartarus
12/30/19 7:27:02 PM
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The UK has no faith in the ability of its citizens to independently reject stupid ideas.

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 3:40:38 PM
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Firewerx
01/01/20 3:44:12 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
People have gone to prison for multiple years for it.
Discuss.
Provide us with some examples, and maybe we'll discuss them.

I suggest this because Wikipedia states that "there is no specific crime of Holocaust denial in the UK".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

If you know differently, however...


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coh
01/01/20 3:44:43 PM
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JKRowling posted...
Its not illegal in America.
We have free speech here.
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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 3:51:09 PM
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https://tinyurl.com/tmbhtnb

VIENNA, Austria Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to charges of denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to three years in prison after conceding he was wrong to say there were no Nazi gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp.
Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived in court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books Hitlers War, which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.
I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, Irving told the court after his trial opened in Vienna. But he insisted he never wrote a book about the Holocaust, which he called just a fragment of my area of interest.

In no way did I deny the killings of millions of people by the Nazis, Irving testified. Earlier, he told journalists he considered it ridiculous that he was standing trial for remarks made 17 years ago.
He had faced up to 10 years in prison.
'Like a constantly changing tree'
Before the trial began, Irving, 67, told reporters he now acknowledges the Nazis systematically slaughtered Jews during World War II. History is like a constantly changing tree, he said.
Irving has been in custody since his arrest in November on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis extermination of 6 million Jews.
Irvings trial came amid new and fierce debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered violent protests worldwide.
Irvings lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, said last month the controversial Third Reich historian was getting up to 300 pieces of fan mail a week from supporters around the world, and that while in detention he was writing his memoirs under the working title Irvings War.
Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust.
Irving had tried to win his provisional release on $24,000 bail, but a Vienna court refused, saying it considered him a flight risk.
Within two weeks of his arrest, he asserted through his lawyer that he had come to acknowledge the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers.
In the past, however, he has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and has been quoted as saying there was not one shred of evidence the Nazis carried out their Final Solution to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.
Court braces for supporters
Viennas national court, where the trial is being held, ordered the balcony gallery closed to prevent projectiles from being thrown down at the bench, the newspaper Die Presse reported Sunday.
It quoted officials as saying they were bracing for Irvings supporters to give him the Nazi salute or shout out pro-Hitler slogans during the trial, which will continue into Tuesday if a verdict is not reached on Monday.
Irving is the author of nearly 30 books, including Hitlers War, and has contended most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.
In 2000, Irving sued American Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt for libel in a British court, but lost. The presiding judge in that case, Charles Gray, wrote that Irving was an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist.
Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the years.
In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax.

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Bio1590
01/01/20 3:51:53 PM
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Whose shitty alt is this
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Firewerx
01/01/20 3:54:41 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
VIENNA, Austria
Yep, you don't get much more British than Austria.

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 3:55:22 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Whose shitty alt is this
I'm a shitty alt because I dont think opinions should be illegal. Found the cultist.
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Wewillrocku
01/01/20 3:55:42 PM
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a lot of european countries have laws against it (from what i understand)

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Irony
01/01/20 3:56:28 PM
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The Holocaust happening isn't an opinion >.>

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 3:57:12 PM
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Firewerx posted...
Yep, you don't get much more British than Austria.
Try reading the whole article...
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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:00:47 PM
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Firewerx
01/01/20 4:07:36 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Try reading the whole article...
"Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust."

I did read it. Did you? Or were you just confused by the mention of the libel suit that Irving brought against Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books, and you imagined that the "federal law" referred to was a UK law instead of the 1992 revision of Austria's 1947 Verbotsgesetz ? I mean, did the fact that Irving was convicted in a Vienna court not tip you off?

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:09:47 PM
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Firewerx posted...
"Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust."

I did read it. Did you? Or were you just confused by the mention of the libel suit that Irving brought against Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books, and you imagined that the "federal law" referred to was a UK law instead of the 1992 revision of Austria's 1947 Verbotsgesetz ? I mean, did the fact that Irving was convicted in a Vienna court not tip you off?
Wow!

Ok. You win you're petty little argument. Congrats. There are tons of other cases from the UK though.
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Firewerx
01/01/20 4:11:42 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Ok. You win you're petty little argument. Congrats. There are tons of other cases from the UK though.
Which other countries besides Austria do you think are in the UK, though?

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:14:56 PM
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Firewerx posted...
Which other countries besides Austria do you think are in the UK, though?
Austria isn't in the UK.

Let me save you some time.

Here's another case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

Oh and here's the UK Congress voting the law into existence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

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Funkydog
01/01/20 4:15:07 PM
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Lmao. At least make your trolling efforts less obvious

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Irony
01/01/20 4:16:05 PM
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What I said was ignored >.>

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:17:24 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Lmao. At least make your trolling efforts less obvious
This argument is getting old. Fucking ad hominem. That's CE for you
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Funkydog
01/01/20 4:17:54 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
This argument is getting old. Fucking ad hominem. That's CE for you
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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:18:26 PM
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Irony posted...
What I said was ignored >.>
Because you made SUCH and important point...
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skermac
01/01/20 4:18:39 PM
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why would anyone try to deny all the people who were killed

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EndOfDiscOne
01/01/20 4:19:07 PM
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A lot of people dont understand the slippery slope of government legislated speech

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:19:18 PM
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skermac posted...
why would anyone try to deny all the people who were killed
I don't know. Not the point.
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Irony
01/01/20 4:19:19 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Because you made SUCH and important point...
It was

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Firewerx
01/01/20 4:19:43 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Austria isn't in the UK.

Let me save you some time.

Here's another case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

Oh and here's the UK Congress voting the law into existence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
Yeah, that's the same case: Irving, who was convicted in a Vienna court for violating Austrian law. Why do you keep waving it around as supposed proof that Holocaust denial is a specific criminal offence in the UK?

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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:20:39 PM
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Irony posted...
It was

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JE19426
01/01/20 4:22:39 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Here's another case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

Actually that's the exact same case.

Oh and here's the UK Congress voting the law into existence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

That's just a repeat of the above link. Also I'm not sure what the "UK Congress" refers to. Maybe you mean the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:23:41 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Actually that's the exact same case.

That's just a repeat of the above link. Also I'm not sure what the "UK Congress" refers to. Maybe you mean the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
Didn't copy right.

Here ya go

https://youtu.be/ApYRnryDQ_s
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Firewerx
01/01/20 4:24:25 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Actually that's the exact same case.

That's just a repeat of the above link. Also I'm not sure what the "UK Congress" refers to. Maybe you mean the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
I can't deny this topic has been an eye-opener. So far I've learned that Austria is in the UK, and us Brits have a Congress.

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JE19426
01/01/20 4:25:15 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Didn't copy right.

Here ya go

https://youtu.be/ApYRnryDQ_s

That's a student debate. Not a news article, or an actually video from Parliament.
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Scott_Farkus
01/01/20 4:25:24 PM
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Firewerx posted...
Yeah, that's the same case: Irving, who was convicted in a Vienna court for violating Austrian law. Why do you keep waving it around as supposed proof that Holocaust denial is a specific criminal offence in the UK?
The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist,[5] who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence".[5][6] In addition, the court found that Irving's books had distorted the history of Hitler's role in the Holocaust to depict Hitler in a favourable light.
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Firewerx
01/01/20 4:29:49 PM
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Scott_Farkus posted...
Didn't copy right.

Here ya go

https://youtu.be/ApYRnryDQ_s
Oh Jesus, this is hilarious. That's the Oxford Union, the University of Oxford's debating society, and you think it's the Parliament at Westminster?!

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Funkydog
01/01/20 4:29:55 PM
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Firewerx posted...
I can't deny this topic has been an eye-opener. So far I've learned that Austria is in the UK, and us Brits have a Congress.
They really need to teach this at school. I never learnt any of it.

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