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Every plant and animal you consume is genetically modified, GMOs are just taking luck and time out of the equation. Ownership of GMOs and specific genetic code is another thing entirely, however. *cough*monsanto*cough*

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GMOs and lab grown food can solve hunger if we can get past the fearmongering.

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Corn for everyone!

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Literally nothing wrong with GMOs
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https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/mandatory-labels-on-foods-containing-dna-80-of-americans-support-that-011915.html

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Garioshi posted...

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/mandatory-labels-on-foods-containing-dna-80-of-americans-support-that-011915.html

Lmao

For real though, most people dont even read the nutrition facts on their food, but demand that GMOs be labeled or that plant based meat cant be called "meat"

Its incredible
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The problem with GMOs isn't natural vs man-made. People are either too ignorant or blind to not realize that It's part of a much larger health crisis issue.

It ties into corporations like Monsanto using massive amounts of toxic herbicides like Round Up (glyphosate) on all the agriculture that is used for mass production of animal feed, processed foods, and general groceries. GMO crops like corn, soybeans, potatoes, rapeseed, canola, and sugar beets are genetically immune to the glyphosate and contain trace amounts of herbicide at the consumer level. These are all cheap ingredients that are mass produced at high levels and have thousands of applications in all of the everyday products we eat and use. Animals may not be given added hormones or steroids, but the vegetarian feed they consume is unnatural and toxic, because it's also GMO crop feed. Cows are meant to eat grass and chickens are meant to roam and eat insects. Yet they are mostly given a diet of GMO corn and soybeans, because it's cheaper, and carbs like corn and soy makes them fatter more quickly, which is more money for them.

The government recommends a diet of up to 2000 calories and 300g carbs a day, which is considered "healthy" by their standards. That is a total lie, as carbs are the most nonessential food group. Your body can survive without carbs, but it requires essential amino acids (protein) and essential fatty acids (healthy fats) to maintain homeostasis and live a healthy life. Instead, people are overweight and consuming tons of empty carbs that have no nutrition and only cause you to repeat and endless cycle of feeling like shit until you eat your next meal. Millions of people are overweight or obese and trapped in this cycle. It gets to the point where people believe medications will solve their issues, so people will go out and get multivitamins or tums for their heartburn. Guess which company also makes things like One-a-Day vitamins, Flintstones vitamins, Alka-Seltzer and many others? Bayer and Monsanto.

It's all a scheme to keep you trapped and poisoned to be a money maker for corporations from your birth to your death. You are a cog of that machine forever unless you learn to break free and take charge of your own health.

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Yes, and no on carbs. If you're very active, doing lots of cardio like cycling, swimming, marathon running, you NEED carbs. 300 carbs is so damn much for the norm though. I only have about 120-140 a day, and workout 2-3 hours in comparison.

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Awesome explanation ^^^

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It's simple, really.

Anti-GMO Activists: Why doesn't the food industry label GMOs explicitely on food boxes. If they're not bad, why oppose it?
*GMO label added*
Anti-GMO Activists: Why would they add a GMO label if there wasn't any risk?

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Xenozoa425 posted...

It ties into corporations like Monsanto using massive amounts of toxic herbicides like Round Up

1. Monsanto wasn't applying Round Up, farmers were. Farmers also had the choice to not use the chemical.
2. It isn't toxic, it's one of the most widely studied herbicides and has been found to be safe in every one of them except for the IARC's stupid categorical system.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

The government recommends a diet of up to 2000 calories and 300g carbs a day, which is considered "healthy" by their standards. That is a total lie, as carbs are the most nonessential food group.

carbs are pretty much required if you care about being athletic at all. sedentary people should limit them tho

glycogen is important for performance. there's a reason why keto isn't popular among athletes

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ThyCorndog posted...

carbs are pretty much required if you care about being athletic at all. sedentary people should limit them tho

glycogen is important for performance. there's a reason why keto isn't popular among athletes

Keto sucked for me. I tried that before, and the bitter taste in the mouth/tongue that developed were awful.

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Blbmbr666 posted...

1. Monsanto wasn't applying Round Up, farmers were. Farmers also had the choice to not use the chemical.
2. It isn't toxic, it's one of the most widely studied herbicides and has been found to be safe in every one of them except for the IARC's stupid categorical system.

1. Farmers also had to work much more to till the land if they didn't use Round Up. So for a lot of them they have to choose between lots of money with little work, or lots of work with a varying amount of money. But they were still being given a product that is much more harmful than what "they" claim. "They" being government lobbyists and greedy corporate people that only care about making money at the expense of everyone else who uses their endproducts, which is the vast majority of our population.
2. Glyphosate has been proven to alter the microbacteria in the GI tract and prevents them from creating different proteins that the body needs. It also weakens the adrenal system and chelates important trace minerals like zinc, which is necessary for many functions such as aiding the immune system fighting off bacteria and viruses, and is required to help with protein and DNA synthesis. If the body cannot properly synthesis new proteins and DNAs, your cells all throughout your body will become weak and more prone to disease and cancers. It basically shortens your lifespan.

ThyCorndog posted...

carbs are pretty much required if you care about being athletic at all. sedentary people should limit them tho

glycogen is important for performance. there's a reason why keto isn't popular among athletes

From a biological standpoint, carbs are not needed by the body. The brain does need glucose, but the body can create sugars on its own by using proteins and fats. The body needs proteins and fats to help with maintenance and repair of everything from bones, skin, muscles, DNA, nerves.

Carbs are good for being burned for quick bursts of energy, which is indeed why they are important for athletes. Protein and fat energies burn more slowly. But when the typical diet of a person is around 300g of carbs every single day, and these carbs have little to no nutrition because they've all been stripped away by processing and refining, that's when it creates problems all throughout the body, regardless of your activity and fitness level. Glycogen also can be created from adipose (fat) tissue, albeit at a much slower process than just eating carbs in the first place. Athletic people that are on keto may not be getting the most bang for their buck, but it is a surefire way to allow your body to heal from all the junk you have been eating for years.

LampChop posted...

Keto sucked for me. I tried that before, and the bitter taste in the mouth/tongue that developed were awful.

Yeah the dry mouth and keto breath is an unfortunate side effect some people have when they start keto and go into ketosis. I had it for a bit when I started, but chewing xylitol gum and drinking plenty of electrolyte water helped me get past that stage.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Farmers also had to work much more to till the land if they didn't use Round Up. So for a lot of them they have to choose between lots of money with little work, or lots of work with a varying amount of money.

Glyphosate has been proven to alter the microbacteria in the GI tract and prevents them from creating different proteins that the body needs. It also weakens the adrenal system and chelates important trace minerals like zinc, which is necessary for many functions such as aiding the immune system fighting off bacteria and viruses, and is required to help with protein and DNA synthesis. If the body cannot properly synthesis new proteins and DNAs, your cells all throughout your body will become weak and more prone to disease and cancers. It basically shortens your lifespan.

Do you understand how beneficial no-till and minimum till systems are?

Also link the study please.

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Blbmbr666 posted...

Also link the study please.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29475651 - toxic to benefical gut bacteria in animals (why wouldn't it be toxic for humans as well? We eat animals and plants that come into contact directly or indirectly with glyphosate)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30877537 - alters adrenal system
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24678255 - chelates trace minerals, develop digestive problems similar to Celiac disease

The chemicals also make their way into our water supplies as well.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29475651 - toxic to benefical gut bacteria in animals (why wouldn't it be toxic for humans as well? We eat animals and plants that come into contact directly or indirectly with glyphosate)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30877537 - alters adrenal system
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24678255 - chelates trace minerals, develop digestive problems similar to Celiac disease

The chemicals also make their way into our water supplies as well.

First one is based on studies of herbivore GI tracts. Don't think that's going to apply the same to omnivores.
Second only shows affects at rates much higher than the daily exposure rate for the average person.
Third is a literature review with no backing other than correlations.

Only one of those that has any useful info is the first one tbh.

Also glyphosate doesn't leach into the water supply. It binds to soil.

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Blbmbr666 posted...

First one is based on studies of herbivore GI tracts. Don't think that's going to apply the same to omnivores.
Second only shows affects at rates much higher than the daily exposure rate for the average person.
Third is a literature review with no backing other than correlations.

Only one of those that has any useful info is the first one tbh.

Also glyphosate doesn't leach into the water supply. It binds to soil.

Chickens are omnivores by nature, they normally eat insects and seeds in the wild. Mass farmed chickens are fed GMO grains. If you go to the grocery store and buy a dozen commercial eggs and a dozen pasture raised eggs, you will see the difference in quality of the eggs based on the food they eat. The pasture raised eggs will be a deep amber and contain a higher amount of nutrition because the chickens are eating better. Cows are meant to eat grass instead of GMO grains. When we eat the foods from those animals, we also indirectly eat the chemicals that they have eaten from their feed; herbivore, carnivore, omnivore, it does not matter.

The daily rate of exposure that the rats in the study had might be higher than what a typical person consumes on a daily basis, but humans live much longer than rats. The damage done to the body's cellular structure overtime is accumulated and accelerated by the things I listed, which is chelation of important micronutrients and GI microbacteria not being able to properly absorb and synthesize proteins (some artificial sugars do this also). Hormonal and adrenal damage is mostly caused by chronic elevated levels of insulin, which is sustained from years of a high-carb diet and creates many metabolic issues. So when the body is not getting the nutrition it needs, your cells start to grow weaker and cannot replicate at the 1:1 ratio they are designed to, because they aren't getting the micronutrients they need to do their jobs.

The soil that the glyphosate is bound to leeches into the water supply in varying trace amounts, depending on the location. Some farms in Mexico have measured elevated levels of glyphosate in ground water, bottled drinking water and even human urine.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Chickens are omnivores by nature, they normally eat insects and seeds in the wild. Mass farmed chickens are fed GMO grains. If you go to the grocery store and buy a dozen commercial eggs and a dozen pasture raised eggs, you will see the difference in quality of the eggs based on the food they eat. The pasture raised eggs will be a deep amber and contain a higher amount of nutrition because the chickens are eating better. Cows are meant to eat grass instead of GMO grains. When we eat the foods from those animals, we also indirectly eat the chemicals that they have eaten from their feed; herbivore, carnivore, omnivore, it does not matter.

The daily rate of exposure that the rats in the study had might be higher than what a typical person consumes on a daily basis, but humans live much longer than rats. The damage done to the body's cellular structure overtime is accumulated and accelerated by the things I listed, which is chelation of important micronutrients and GI microbacteria not being able to properly absorb and synthesize proteins (some artificial sugars do this also). Hormonal and adrenal damage is mostly caused by chronic elevated levels of insulin, which is sustained from years of a high-carb diet and creates many metabolic issues. So when the body is not getting the nutrition it needs, your cells start to grow weaker and cannot replicate at the 1:1 ratio they are designed to, because they aren't getting the micronutrients they need to do their jobs.

The soil that the glyphosate is bound to leeches into the water supply in varying trace amounts, depending on the location. Some farms in Mexico have measured elevated levels of glyphosate in ground water, bottled drinking water and even human urine.

Holy shit dude, you're worrying way too much. I was like this too in my early 20's, and it became difficult to function propertly. I would look up each ingredient, each label, each wording, call companies, etc, it got exhausting. I'm glad I grew out of it. I'm still careful with some things, but not to that extent. Bottom line, if you're going to get a disease, cancer, etc, in your life, you're going to get it no matter what. There's nothing you can do to stop it. It's all luck of the draw. Even the most health conscious, organic eating, vegan, that exercises everyday get cancer, or some other disease, and die.

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I read something a while ago from a scientist on GMOs and he said that basically GMOs are to the left what climate change is to the right.

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LampChop posted...

Holy shit dude, you're worrying way too much. I was like this too in my early 20's, and it became difficult to function propertly. I would look up each ingredient, each label, each wording, call companies, etc, it got exhausting. I'm glad I grew out of it. I'm still careful with some things, but not to that extent. Bottom line, if you're going to get a disease, cancer, etc, in your life, you're going to get it no matter what. There's nothing you can do to stop it. It's all luck of the draw. Even the most health conscious, organic eating, vegan, that exercises everyday get cancer, or some other disease, and die.

I'm in my early 20's currently, but I'm not worried about dying or getting cancer or anything. I'm still far away from those older years where your health is more susceptible to things like that. You're confusing my argument about the cautions of GMO foods with paranoia and fear to avoid them entirely. I'm just trying to show people that our world's mass production of food/animal feed is what causes so many problems to people in the first place. Most everyday folks either have the wrong perception that's been socially engineered by government, media and corporations, or they just simply choose to ignore the reality behind what goes into our food and medicine. Yes, I read labels on everything and avoid certain foods because of those ingredients or how they are sourced, but I don't avoid everything bad... I still like to indulge occasionally on things like fast food, deserts and snacks. Obviously I don't have them everyday, but I tend to eat mostly organic or nutritionally wholesome foods.

The truth of the matter is, most people do not know how (or care enough) to take care of their bodies and adopt a healthier and more active lifestyle. Schools teach kids to follow orders pass tests, not prepare them for the adult world. They don't teach things like finances, politics, hands-on work or nutrition in public schools. I never knew what I wanted to be when I was growing up, and I struggled in high school and college. Now that I'm older and went through a massive weight-loss and lifestyle change in the past year, I've learned so much about health and nutrition, and I want to go to school and get a degree so that I can help people like my dad, who's already gone through stage 4 brain cancer and had 2 tumors surgically removed, a pulmonary embolism and heart surgery... all before he's even 60 years old. And I know exactly how he got those problems, because he neglected his diet and exercise for many years, and his body gradually became weaker until the cancer and disease was strong enough to affect him.

That's why it's kind of personal for me now, and when I see people say things like "everyone dies anyway", it upsets me. That kind of attitude is allowing more people to slowly hurt themselves without them ever realizing it.

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Dude. While I congrat you for losing weight. You just been doing this for the past year as you mentioned, and now you're acting like some master health guru, or some shit. But what really pissed me off was this:

I can help people like my dad, who's already gone through stage 4 brain cancer and had 2 tumors surgically removed, a pulmonary embolism and heart surgery... all before he's even 60 years old. And I know exactly how he got those problems, because he neglected his diet and exercise for many years

There are people who lost their loved ones to cancer, amongst other things, who'd probably slap the shit out of you for saying something so reckless, and clueless. It's not always diet, and exercise. Anyways, good luck with whatever you're doing, and I wish your dad the best. But I've had all I could take from you.


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I don't care if people hate me, or slap me, or whatever for speaking the truth. I don't claim to be an expert, I'm just stating facts. Poor health choices in food and exercise are the catalyst for premature aging and breakdown of the body's weakest links, which are the areas where it has the least amount of available nutrients. If a part of a machine is not getting the maintenance that it needs, it will slowly degrade until it breaks down. Our bodies are the same way. If you don't take care of different parts of our body with food that is rich in vitamins and minerals, and exercise to stimulate our bodies and make them stronger, they will slowly break down and become more susceptible to diseases.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/43/10836

It is proposed that proteins/enzymes be classified into two classes according to their essentiality for immediate survival/reproduction and their function in long-term health: that is, survival proteins versus longevity proteins. As proposed by the triage theory, a modest deficiency of one of the nutrients/cofactors triggers a built-in rationing mechanism that favors the proteins needed for immediate survival and reproduction (survival proteins) while sacrificing those needed to protect against future damage (longevity proteins). Impairment of the function of longevity proteins results in an insidious acceleration of the risk of diseases associated with aging. I also propose that nutrients required for the function of longevity proteins constitute a class of vitamins that are here named longevity vitamins. I suggest that many such nutrients play a dual role for both survival and longevity. The evidence for classifying taurine as a conditional vitamin, and the following 10 compounds as putative longevity vitamins, is reviewed: the fungal antioxidant ergothioneine; the bacterial metabolites pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ) and queuine; and the plant antioxidant carotenoids lutein, zeaxanthin, lycopene, - and -carotene, -cryptoxanthin, and the marine carotenoid astaxanthin. Because nutrient deficiencies are highly prevalent in the United States (and elsewhere), appropriate supplementation and/or an improved diet could reduce much of the consequent risk of chronic disease and premature aging.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

It gets to the point where people believe medications will solve their issues, so people will go out and get multivitamins or tums for their heartburn. Guess which company also makes things like One-a-Day vitamins, Flintstones vitamins, Alka-Seltzer and many others? Bayer and Monsanto.

@Xenozoa425 how do you feel about people with anti-gmo diets taking multivitamins?

Xenozoa425 posted...

The government recommends a diet of up to 2000 calories and 300g carbs a day, which is considered "healthy" by their standards. That is a total lie, as carbs are the most nonessential food group. Your body can survive without carbs, but it requires essential amino acids (protein) and essential fatty acids (healthy fats) to maintain homeostasis and live a healthy life. Instead, people are overweight and consuming tons of empty carbs that have no nutrition and only cause you to repeat and endless cycle of feeling like shit until you eat your next meal. Millions of people are overweight or obese and trapped in this cycle. It gets to the point where people believe medications will solve their issues, so people will go out and get multivitamins or tums for their heartburn. Guess which company also makes things like One-a-Day vitamins, Flintstones vitamins, Alka-Seltzer and many others? Bayer and Monsanto.

This has nothing to do with GMOs though. GMO crops are nutritionally no different from non-GMO.

If anything this exposes how tinfoil hat you are lmao. Bayer purchased Monsanto around a year ago, and before that Bayer hardly utilized GMOs while Monsanto made no vitamins, etc.

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Garioshi posted...

Ownership of GMOs and specific genetic code is another thing entirely, however. *cough*monsanto*cough*

this is most peoples issue, including mine. monsanto is literal evil.
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Took a while for me to get back to you guys but here I am.

MelzezDoor posted...

@Xenozoa425 how do you feel about people with anti-gmo diets taking multivitamins?

@MelzezDoor I'm fine with anti-GMO diets, organic foods and supporting local farmers with sustainable practices. However the multivitamins, it depends on the individual's knowledge of what their diet is lacking, which multivitamins they take, and how frequently. There are the good multivitamins that come from high quality naturally sourced plants and animals with no preservatives, dyes, and hidden sugars. And there are the ones that are made with low quality ingredients, synthetic vitamins and minerals, and have added hidden sugars. Me personally, I don't take multivitamins because I know I get most of them from food anyway, and the ones I don't get enough of I can supplement. Mostly zinc, magnesium, potassium, D3, K2, and other supplements like ACV, DIM and fish oils.

Compare two different brands on here:

https://i.imgur.com/QGOWXf5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dZQsiHj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aX9qtQY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1ayqz1G.jpg

The Naturelo brand will tell you more in-depth about their sustainability. They don't use soy or gluten in their products, so it's more accessible for people that may have sensitivities to those 2 substances. They list what the vitamins and minerals actually are, the form of the vitamin or mineral, what the source of it is, and they are generally better quality sources. Vitamin C without ascorbic acid is natural vitamin C, magnesium citrate is more absorbable than magnesium oxide, calcium citrate can be taken without food and doesn't cause constipation, etc.

The One A Day brand is very barebones and only lists their ingredients in mass and daily percentages on top, with the ingredients list on bottom. It doesn't directly state what form of vitamin D or K it has, so you have to find that in the ingredients list. Most of the ingredients are synthetic as well. Calcium carbonate is basically chalk and upsets the pH in your stomach. Magnesium oxide is the least absorbed form of magnesium if you're trying to boost your levels. The form of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) used is synthetic, as is much of the B vitamins. Maltodextrin is a sugar made from refining corn and ranks higher on the glycemic index than glucose (table sugar), and polydextrose is a synthetic polymer of glucose. Lycopene is a carotenoid that gives things a red color and is an antioxidant. That might not sound bad, but you already get plenty of lycopene from things like tomatoes.

Blbmbr666 posted...

This has nothing to do with GMOs though. GMO crops are nutritionally no different from non-GMO.

If anything this exposes how tinfoil hat you are lmao. Bayer purchased Monsanto around a year ago, and before that Bayer hardly utilized GMOs while Monsanto made no vitamins, etc.

@Blbmbr666 Yes, GMO and non-GMO crops are indeed not different from a nutritional standpoint, but you don't seem to understand that the GMO crops are used in the majority of all of our animal feeds and processed foods. Things like breads, chips, soups, cereals, candies, sodas, frozen dinners, beers and more. These are the foods that, when eaten for years with no attention or care to your own health, will cause insulin resistance and metabolic disorders like diabetes and heart disease. That's why I mentioned how the FDA recommending 300g carbs per day is total horseshit. Not a single average person needs that many carbs spread multiple times throughout one day. The only ones that can get away with that carb count are athletes that need the quick burning energy to keep up their performance.

Monsanto is Monsanto and I'm not going to cover them. Bayer's products are just really bad and should be avoided. I already covered the One A Days. The children's Flintstone pills and gummies are loaded with sugars and synthetic vitamins. Tums and Alka-Seltzer are made of mostly calcium carbonate and they increase the pH of your stomach to counter heartburn and acid reflux. The stomach is designed to be very acidic so that you can completely digest proteins and kill harmful bacterias and viruses, so a product that makes your stomach alkaline is actually harmful. Yes it works temporarily to give you relief and your stomach will eventually balance out, but the older you get and the worse you eat, the less acidic your stomach becomes, and you will not be able to support a healthy body. If your stomach cannot fully digest and absorb proteins, then it cannot repair the body and worsens the effects of gradual aging and diseases associated with aging like cancer.

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We could just like... regulate GMO companies

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hockeybub89 posted...

We could just like... regulate GMO companies

Problem is that some of the biggest pro-GMO food companies, with the most money and power, make most of the foods we eat every day.

FritoLay
Coca-Cola
Pepsico
Nabisco
Nestle
Tyson
Kraft Heinz
Danone
General Mills
Heineken
Campbells
Hershey

etc.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Problem is that some of the biggest pro-GMO food companies, with the most money and power, make most of the foods we eat every day.

FritoLay
Coca-Cola
Pepsico
Nabisco
Nestle
Tyson
Kraft Heinz
Danone
General Mills
Heineken
Campbells
Hershey

etc.

I mean, pro-GMO should be like pro-breathing air. I'm just talking about the more shady business practices, not the actual production of GMOs.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I mean, pro-GMO should be like pro-breathing air. I'm just talking about the more shady business practices, not the actual production of GMOs.

The shady business practices won't end because of the current production of GMOs by the GMO companies that sell to their customers, the big food companies. As long as the food companies control the global food industry, and GMO companies continue to use herbicides on the GMOs, nothing will change, it's a billion dollar symbiotic industry for them both.

If there was a possible way for GMO companies to make GMOs 100% safe without the need for herbicides, then that would be the ideal best case scenario that benefits everyone.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Yes, GMO and non-GMO crops are indeed not different from a nutritional standpoint, but you don't seem to understand that the GMO crops are used in the majority of all of our animal feeds and processed foods. Things like breads, chips, soups, cereals, candies, sodas, frozen dinners, beers and more. These are the foods that, when eaten for years with no attention or care to your own health, will cause insulin resistance and metabolic disorders like diabetes and heart disease. That's why I mentioned how the FDA recommending 300g carbs per day is total horseshit. Not a single average person needs that many carbs spread multiple times throughout one day. The only ones that can get away with that carb count are athletes that need the quick burning energy to keep up their performance.

So you don't have issue with GMOs. You have issue with foods are are unhealthy no matter if they are organic or GMO.

Considering I literally work in commercial seed breeding I understand these topics more than you ever will.

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Blbmbr666 posted...

So you don't have issue with GMOs. You have issue with foods are are unhealthy no matter if they are organic or GMO.

Considering I literally work in commercial seed breeding I understand these topics more than you ever will.

My issue with unhealthy foods being GMO or not is one thing, but it coincides with the nature of GMOs themselves and how they are being mass utilized with herbicides the first place.

I don't have a problem with a potato that is GM'd to resist droughts, insects and cold temperatures. It doesn't change the nutritional profile. But I don't want to eat a potato that's been sprayed with herbicides dozens of times.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

My issue with unhealthy foods being GMO or not is one thing, but it coincides with the nature of GMOs themselves and how they are being mass utilized with herbicides the first place.

I don't have a problem with a potato that is GM'd to resist droughts, insects and cold temperatures. It doesn't change the nutritional profile. But I don't want to eat a potato that's been sprayed with herbicides dozens of times.

You keep bringing up unhealthy foods in general, then trying to link that to GMOs. Your actions are speaking louder than words.

You're afraid of herbicides because you probably don't know much about them. What kind of herbicides will be sprayed on potatoes that often? Probably not even a herbicide, probably an insecticide or a fungicide. Both of which have very clear pre-harvest interval restrictions on application, as well as restrictions on application rate per year and per instance. On top of this, there are inspections for traces of residual pesticides that would detect if a crop had been sprayed and harvested too early. ALSO there are state and federal mandates on who can spray chemicals as well as the training they are required to have.

So once again, can you tell me what kind of herbicide is applied dozens of times a year? The only POSSIBLE one I can think of would be Bt, and that's only sprayed in organic farming situations.

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Blbmbr666 posted...

You keep bringing up unhealthy foods in general, then trying to link that to GMOs. Your actions are speaking louder than words.

You're afraid of herbicides because you probably don't know much about them. What kind of herbicides will be sprayed on potatoes that often? Probably not even a herbicide, probably an insecticide or a fungicide. Both of which have very clear pre-harvest interval restrictions on application, as well as restrictions on application rate per year and per instance. On top of this, there are inspections for traces of residual pesticides that would detect if a crop had been sprayed and harvested too early. ALSO there are state and federal mandates on who can spray chemicals as well as the training they are required to have.

So once again, can you tell me what kind of herbicide is applied dozens of times a year? The only POSSIBLE one I can think of would be Bt, and that's only sprayed in organic farming situations.

You're right and I admit that I don't know anything about the specifics that go into farming and applications of chemicals. My example with a potato was meant to show that I acknowledge that there is virtually no nutritional difference between a GMO and non-GMO crop. I'm not afraid of herbicides, or foods with herbicides, it's that I do not trust in foods that are derived from GMO crops sprayed with glyphosate, which is the herbicide that I specifically have an issue with.

And I've already stated in an earlier post that glyphosate is sprayed on GMO crops that are used both for GMO animal feeds (meats, eggs, and dairy products) and for GMO produce that is used by the major industrial food companies (which I also stated in a different post) to create the majority of processed foods and products that we eat and use. I've already posted articles & studies on how gradually harmful glyphosate is to humans and animals, how it can cause gradual health issues when consumed chronically over the course of many years via GMO plant and animal products.

When I talk about unhealthy foods, it just so happens to be that they can also cause health problems and metabolic issues when consumed gradually over many years. And they are the same unhealthy foods made by the industrial food companies that use GMO crops treated with glyphosate. That's the link between unhealthy foods, glyphosate and GMO crops that I'm trying to establish and help you to understand more clearly. They are all connected to one another. That's why I'm explaining why it is best to avoid eating those foods and using their products, because they are all made with low quality ingredients that are GMO sprayed with glyphosate and have minimal to zero nutritional value.

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@ Xenozoa425 thanks for sharing. Never thought of one a day or similar multivitamins as potentially harmful/useless