Current Events > Stephen King's CARRIE will be REMADE..with a TRANSGENDER or GIRL OF COLOUR!!

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OctilIery
12/21/19 4:14:54 PM
#51:


Duncanwii posted...

No. Shes a 16(?) year old girl. At that age you know better. I say the town should have throw the book at her ifshe hadnt killed herself.

Read the book.
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Izrael
12/21/19 4:23:27 PM
#52:


Doesn't the Trans part directly clash with the extremely religious mother aspect? Hell, her mother went nuts and slapped the shit out of her after she experienced her first period. Imagine what she would do to an LGBT person.

Unless they don't plan on including the her being Trans as part of the story. But I agree, stop it with the remakes already.

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Behaviorism
12/21/19 4:26:16 PM
#53:


It would make sense with the bullying aspect. I hate how it's always the hot girl that gets bullied in Hollywood movies, like how Rachel Leigh Cooke is suplosed to be ugly in she's all that because she wears glasses

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pegusus123456
12/21/19 4:28:27 PM
#54:


Yeah, I find it really difficult to imagine how they'd manage her being a transgender woman. Her mom is not the kind of person who'd let her transition, so this'd be Carl White for most of the movie. I think this is also a case where her being trans doesn't really fit with the story. Her getting her period is kind of a big part of it.

I believe Carrie also just resonates with the LGBT audience even without her being LGBT.

Behaviorism posted...
It would make sense with the bullying aspect. I hate how it's always the hot girl that gets bullied in Hollywood movies, like how Rachel Leigh Cooke is suplosed to be ugly in she's all that because she wears glasses

It's because in the book, Carrie is pretty ugly. She's fat, she's pimply, she's balding, and I believe she's unusually hairy.

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OctilIery
12/21/19 4:29:03 PM
#55:


Izrael posted...
Doesn't the Trans part directly clash with the extremely religious mother aspect? Hell, her mother went nuts and slapped the shit out of her after she experienced her first period. Imagine what she would do to an LGBT person.

Unless they don't plan on including the her being Trans as part of the story. But I agree, stop it with the remakes already.

As long as it isn't just "Carrie but she's trans" I'm fine with it. It adds a lot to the story, but only if you treat it respectfully, and it can basically make it a different story, or at least different enough to justify a remake.
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Behaviorism
12/21/19 4:52:32 PM
#56:


pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I find it really difficult to imagine how they'd manage her being a transgender woman. Her mom is not the kind of person who'd let her transition, so this'd be Carl White for most of the movie. I think this is also a case where her being trans doesn't really fit with the story. Her getting her period is kind of a big part of it.

I believe Carrie also just resonates with the LGBT audience even without her being LGBT.

It's because in the book, Carrie is pretty ugly. She's fat, she's pimply, she's balding, and I believe she's unusually hairy.
Then how about casting that instead of a freaking attractive model like the movies always do.

"But people won't watch it

People won't watch a movie about an ugly person who looks like an ugly person?

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Esrac
12/21/19 4:59:44 PM
#57:


OctilIery posted...
As long as it isn't just "Carrie but she's trans" I'm fine with it. It adds a lot to the story, but only if you treat it respectfully, and it can basically make it a different story, or at least different enough to justify a remake.

It would probably be the same story, except the mother flips out on her for being trans, instead of having her period.
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WorldMaggot
12/21/19 5:13:04 PM
#58:


Trans man/woman. Ends up covered in blood due to no tampons in mens restroom. Retribution ensues.
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vigorm0rtis
12/21/19 5:14:24 PM
#59:


I don't care about either aspect of this story.

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USSLiberty
12/21/19 5:15:06 PM
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Personally, Ill just not see it. But I havent paid to see a movie since The Last Jedi anyway.
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Izrael
12/21/19 5:18:39 PM
#61:


Esrac posted...
It would probably be the same story, except the mother flips out on her for being trans, instead of having her period.

I don't know, Carrie's mom seemed like the type to kill an LGBT person. She already hated her straight daughter and the neighbors daughter, simply because they were women/young women.

If they did make her trans, the period thing is something they would need to change, since that scene took place in the women's bathroom. And trans people in male or female bathrooms is still kind of a recent issue.

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Izrael
12/21/19 5:20:21 PM
#62:


OctilIery posted...
As long as it isn't just "Carrie but she's trans" I'm fine with it. It adds a lot to the story, but only if you treat it respectfully, and it can basically make it a different story, or at least different enough to justify a remake.

Yeah, but something tells me it will be "Carrie but she's trans".

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OctilIery
12/21/19 5:24:38 PM
#63:


Izrael posted...


Yeah, but something tells me it will be "Carrie but she's trans".

Probably. I tend to be more optimistic with coming movies than most.
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pegusus123456
12/21/19 5:30:53 PM
#64:


Esrac posted...
It would probably be the same story, except the mother flips out on her for being trans, instead of having her period.
Except that wouldn't make sense.

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OctilIery
12/21/19 5:33:31 PM
#65:


pegusus123456 posted...

Except that wouldn't make sense.

It could work, but it would require more than a straight replacement. It would completely change the mother daughter dynamic.
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sktgamer_13dude
12/21/19 5:39:57 PM
#66:


OctilIery posted...
That's an incredibly black and white viewpoint. The only reason Carrie is a monster is she hurt people trying to help her. If she'd just killed the bullies and her mother, she absolutely wouldn't be a villain.

(also batman has totally killed)

Its Duncan.

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pegusus123456
12/21/19 5:40:26 PM
#67:


OctilIery posted...
It could work, but it would require more than a straight replacement. It would completely change the mother daughter dynamic.
I think it would completely change the character of the mother.

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Esrac
12/21/19 5:41:05 PM
#68:


Izrael posted...
I don't know, Carrie's mom seemed like the type to kill an LGBT person. She already hated her straight daughter and the neighbors daughter, simply because they were women/young women.

If they did make her trans, the period thing is something they would need to change, since that scene took place in the women's bathroom. And trans people in male or female bathrooms is still kind of a recent issue.

I mean, it would be the same basic story with a few details changed to accommodate the trans angle.

Assuming its MtF, the hyper religious, uber conservative mother shits on her son "Carl" for years for being too effeminate. Then, one day, she or students catch Carl in drag. Carl comes out as Carrie and the mother totally loses it on her.

Maybe has a group of bullies who shit on Carl for being weird and effeminate. Have some accept him/her as trans, but it's a ruse. The school kids who pretend to accept Carl/Carrie as trans dump the blood on her and mock her with the other bullies and she snaps.

Same basic story, except they change the reason the protagonist is bullied to be from "is really ugly" into "was a weird guy, came out as transgirl".

You could easily fit a trans attribute into the story of a teenager who is tormented by other teens and an unloving parent.
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pegusus123456
12/21/19 5:44:08 PM
#69:


Esrac posted...
Then, one day, she or students catch Carl in drag. Carl comes out as Carrie and the mother totally loses it on her.
This is what I mean by changing the character of the mother. She had Carrie so fucking beatdown that there's no way Carl would be dressing in drag. It would not even be something she thought of.

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USSLiberty
12/21/19 5:45:43 PM
#70:


pegusus123456 posted...

This is what I mean by changing the character of the mother. She had Carrie so fucking beatdown that there's no way Carl would be dressing in drag. It would not even be something she thought of.


It would make more sense if Carls mother s the one who dressed Carl as a girl and gave had him shot up with estrogen as a baby.
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Esrac
12/21/19 5:48:26 PM
#71:


pegusus123456 posted...
This is what I mean by changing the character of the mother. She had Carrie so fucking beatdown that there's no way Carl would be dressing in drag. It would not even be something she thought of.

That wouldn't require you change the mother. Just make Carl dysphoric enough that wearing women's clothes in secret to comfort himself occasionally outweighs the despondency of the mother beating him down. Which I think you could expect more from a male child.

You aren't changing the mother, you're changing Carrie. Which you'd have to to make a trans Carrie.
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OctilIery
12/21/19 5:49:18 PM
#72:


pegusus123456 posted...

I think it would completely change the character of the mother.

It would, but they could still tell the story. A cruel overbearing mother, who she has the same attachment too but in school starts realizing how she actually feels and accepting it, but hiding it from her mom out of fear.
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OctilIery
12/21/19 5:50:13 PM
#73:


sktgamer_13dude posted...


Its Duncan.

I can't keep track of who to take seriously anymore and I'm trying to be less of a dick so I'm treating them all as decent unless I know better lol
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 5:51:19 PM
#74:


SerperiorThanU posted...
theyd have to alter the period scene for the former.
Why?
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Esrac
12/21/19 5:54:53 PM
#75:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Why?

Because, assuming MtF, men and boys can't have periods. So, you couldn't have a period scene.

Assuming FtM, you could have a period scene, but I don't think it would carry the same weight in a movie where the primary "otherness" is being trans.
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 5:55:22 PM
#76:


Esrac posted...
boys can't have periods
Yes they can
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Izrael
12/21/19 5:55:29 PM
#77:


Esrac posted...
I mean, it would be the same basic story with a few details changed to accommodate the trans angle.

Assuming its MtF, the hyper religious, uber conservative mother shits on her son "Carl" for years for being too effeminate. Then, one day, she or students catch Carl in drag. Carl comes out as Carrie and the mother totally loses it on her.

Maybe has a group of bullies who shit on Carl for being weird and effeminate. Have some accept him/her as trans, but it's a ruse. The school kids who pretend to accept Carl/Carrie as trans dump the blood on her and mock her with the other bullies and she snaps.

Same basic story, except they change the reason the protagonist is bullied to be from "is really ugly" into "was a weird guy, came out as transgirl".

You could easily fit a trans attribute into the story of a teenager who is tormented by other teens and an unloving parent.

At that point, it's kinda of a different story, with some of the elements or influences of Carrie.

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Behaviorism
12/21/19 5:57:09 PM
#78:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Yes they can
Do tell

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Esrac
12/21/19 5:57:51 PM
#79:


Izrael posted...
At that point, it's kinda of a different story, with some of the elements or influences of Carrie.

I'd say it's the same basic story, but a few details would have to be altered to accommodate a transgender protagonist, yes.
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Esrac
12/21/19 5:58:36 PM
#80:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Yes they can


Behaviorism posted...
Do tell

And here we go.
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ZevLoveDOOM
12/21/19 5:59:54 PM
#81:


as long as its well made, i dont see any problem with this. *shrugs*
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Izrael
12/21/19 6:03:24 PM
#82:


Esrac posted...
I'd say it's the same basic story, but a few details would have to be altered to accommodate a transgender protagonist, yes.

Yeah, it would be tackling a different aspect of the "bullying victim gets revenge" story, while maintaining the spirit of the original Carrie film.

Behaviorism posted...
Do tell

Hemorrhoids are just male periods!

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WorldMaggot
12/21/19 6:05:06 PM
#83:


who is cast if Carrie is trans. james spader or hilary swank?
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:06:02 PM
#84:


Behaviorism posted...
Do tell
Why do you think boys can't get periods?
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Izrael
12/21/19 6:11:30 PM
#85:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Why do you think boys can't get periods?

...Because that would require a uterus and ovaries?


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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:12:03 PM
#86:


Izrael posted...
...Because that would require a uterus and ovaries?
So?
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Esrac
12/21/19 6:12:29 PM
#87:


Izrael posted...
...Because that would require a uterus and ovaries?

He's probably about to say that transboys are boys, so boys have periods.
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Izrael
12/21/19 6:17:57 PM
#88:


Esrac posted...
He's probably about to say that transboys are boys, so boys have periods.

This occurred to me right after I posted it. He'll probably say it right after I post this vvvv

Mega_Greninja posted...
So?

Men don't have those.

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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:19:34 PM
#89:


Izrael posted...
Men don't have those.
Genitalia is not determined by gender.
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Behaviorism
12/21/19 6:20:39 PM
#90:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Genitalia is not determined by gender.
Close the topic, TC. It's only going south from here

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OctilIery
12/21/19 6:21:05 PM
#91:


Opinion time: would you be upset if religion wasn't the source behind Carrie's mom's evil? Like, she still has the same abhorrent behavior, she's still manipulative and abusive and psychologically scarring, but they didn't try to do another evil religious woman? Or would that be too much change?
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:22:31 PM
#92:


OctilIery posted...
Opinion time: would you be upset if religion wasn't the source behind Carrie's mom's evil? Like, she still has the same abhorrent behavior, she's still manipulative and abusive and psychologically scarring, but they didn't try to do another evil religious woman? Or would that be too much change?
Religion is the problem. People aren't bigoted on their own.
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OctilIery
12/21/19 6:23:19 PM
#93:


Mega_Greninja posted...

Religion is the problem. People aren't bigoted on their own.

This is so massively wrong I feel like you must be trolling at least a little.
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Esrac
12/21/19 6:24:33 PM
#94:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Genitalia is not determined by gender.

No, but gender is determined by genitalia.

OctilIery posted...
Opinion time: would you be upset if religion wasn't the source behind Carrie's mom's evil? Like, she still has the same abhorrent behavior, she's still manipulative and abusive and psychologically scarring, but they didn't try to do another evil religious woman? Or would that be too much change?

I think that would be a pretty significant change. What would be the driving force behind her abusive behavior then? Just generalized malevolance?
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:25:00 PM
#95:


OctilIery posted...
This is so massively wrong I feel like you must be trolling at least a little.
Atheists don't tend to have a problem with LGBTQ+. You could, however, make the argument that religious people are only religious because it justifies their bigotry, but then what's the difference?
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Mega_Greninja
12/21/19 6:26:12 PM
#96:


Esrac posted...
No, but gender is determined by genitalia.
No, gender is (often incorrectly) assumed by genitalia. There is no correlation.
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Esrac
12/21/19 6:27:45 PM
#97:


Mega_Greninja posted...
No, gender is (often incorrectly) assumed by genitalia. There is no correlation.

boy
/boi/

noun
  1. a male child or young man.


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Duncanwii
12/21/19 6:29:15 PM
#98:


Guys just block the bigot and move on like I did.

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Izrael
12/21/19 6:30:52 PM
#99:


Mega_Greninja posted...
Genitalia is not determined by gender.

Aaannnnnddd, I'm not stepping any further into this particular topic.

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Big_Gold
12/21/19 6:50:36 PM
#100:


Carrie identifies as female.
She's passable.
Classmates see her D in the shower, bullying ensues.
Religious mother doesn't approve of her daughter, same as the other movies.
Carrie becomes prom queen.
Gets humiliated at prom.
Kills everyone.
Goes home.
Mother is still a bitch and a religious weirdo.
Mother and daughter die.
Jump scare at the end with Carrie's hand.

It's not hard to write or grasp this.
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