Current Events > Hilary doubles down on transgender support after being accused of opposition.

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"As Secretary of State, I was proud to change policy so that transgender Americans could carry passports that reflect their true gender. As a candidate for president, I sought out the input of the transgender community and put forward a platform for trans equality. Im glad to see the Democratic presidential candidates putting forward platforms of their own.

Transgender people deserve nothing short of full equality.

She has been under fire for dipping her toe into the conservative pool with vague statements about how transgenders are "problematic" and "a legitimate concern for women " and such

but she seems to have taken that toe firmly out after backlash

Would be nicer if we knew what she actually thought rather than what she thinks her base wants to hear
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Whatre some of her statements that are in question?
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I mean Obama said marriage was between one man and one women before he changed his mind. Politicians have to change their views with the times as society changes and their party's various positions adapt. It's one of many reasons people don't like politicians.

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ssjevot posted...

I mean Obama said marriage was between one man and one women before he changed his mind. Politicians have to change their views with the times as society changes and their party's various positions adapt. It's one of many reasons people don't like politicians.

true but he openly changed his mind

He didnt obfuscate until you didnt know what he thought
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Hillary has a public position and a private position, as she's admitted to donors. I don't think she'd have acted against LGBT as an official, but she probably would've been sluggish on executive orders to help them because she just doesn't believe in their lifestyles on a personal basis.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

true but he openly changed his mind

He didnt obfuscate until you didnt know what he thought

I don't believe that for a second. A poll came out saying the majority of Americans supported gay marriage. Obama said right after his views were evolving. Then not long after the Democrats embraced gay marriage as part of their platform and proceeded to pretend they always supported it.

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ssjevot posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

true but he openly changed his mind

He didnt obfuscate until you didnt know what he thought

I don't believe that for a second. A poll came out saying the majority of Americans supported gay marriage. Obama said right after his views were evolving. Then not long after the Democrats embraced gay marriage as part of their platform and proceeded to pretend they always supported it.

Obama never pretended he always supported it, he publically said his daughter changed his mind
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In this topic we pretend politicians tell the truth. I mean look at a list of Obama presidential promises and then tell me why I should believe him on his gay marriage views conveniently changing after the majority of Americans supported it.

And by pretending they always supported it. I mean many Democratic politicians like Hillary that clearly didn't support it before, try to rewrite their history to make it seem like they did.

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Obama and Hillarys stances on LGBT issues evolved only once the polls showed it was politically advantageous to do so.
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To a certain extent, responding to public opinion is what we want politicians to do. It is certainly preferable to stubbornly holding on to a bad opinion even as it becomes disadvantageous.

That said, you should place your faith and trust in people who were right in the first place.
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I think Obama always supported gay marriage but was unwilling to to make it public and take a hit politically over it. I dont buy the story about him changing his mind after having a discussion with his daughter.
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iPhone_7 posted...

I think Obama always supported gay marriage but was unwilling to to make it public and take a hit politically over it. I dont buy the story about him changing his mind after having a discussion with his daughter.

Yeah I think this is the most likely thing for sure.

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It's almost 2020 and we are still doing "but hillary" and "but obama" Sad!
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It seems like people are making a mountain out of a molehill

As Out previously reported at length, the 2016 Democratic nominee has made several gaffes relating to trans rights while promoting The Book of Gutsy Women, a series of profiles authored with daughter Chelsea.

First, in an interview with U.K.s The Sunday Times, Clinton nodded emphatically when interviewer Decca Aitkenhead stated that cisgender women of an earlier generation may experience some discomfort with sharing a locker room or restroom with transgender women. Calling it a very big generational discussion, she claimed the issue wasnt something [she] grew up with or ever saw.

It's going to take a lot more time and effort to understand what it means to be defining yourself differently, she said at the time.

Although some claimed her words were taken out of context or that she misspoke, Clinton made a nearly identical argument during an interview with BBCs Radio 4 less than a month later. She told the broadcaster that she does think there is a legitimate concern about womens lived experience and the importance of recognizing that, and also the importance of recognizing the self-identification [of transgender people].

Calling trans issues relatively new, Clinton added, I think in the right mindset this can be understood, but its going to take some time.

https://www.out.com/politics/2019/11/19/hillary-clinton-responds-backlash-over-controversial-trans-comments

Im not seeing the hateful transphobia in her comments. Hillary bad
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lol

Machete posted...

It's almost 2020 and we are still doing "but hillary" and "but obama" Sad!

who is doing either of those things?
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Machete posted...

It's almost 2020 and we are still doing "but hillary" and "but obama" Sad!

Nothing wrong with discussing dodged bullets.
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Antifar posted...

To a certain extent, responding to public opinion is what we want politicians to do. It is certainly preferable to stubbornly holding on to a bad opinion even as it becomes disadvantageous.

This is how I feel about it and I really don't understand why people act like it is preferable for a politician to stubbornly cling to their own personal views instead of supporting what their constituents want them to
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eston posted...

Antifar posted...

To a certain extent, responding to public opinion is what we want politicians to do. It is certainly preferable to stubbornly holding on to a bad opinion even as it becomes disadvantageous.

This is how I feel about it and I really don't understand why people act like it is preferable for a politician to stubbornly cling to their own personal views instead of supporting what their constituents want them to

Transparency

A man who hates minimum wage but pretends he supports it in public is arguably worse than a man who openly hates minimum wage in politics

if you support minimum wage that is
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You look forward sometimes by looking back, especially with characters like Hillary. Her calling black people super predators who must come to heel, talking and laughing about a guy who was brutally tortured and murdered in ghadaffi. She was clearly anti gay but put her finger to the wind and is now a champion of the LGBT?

These people are in politics for 50+ years? After found lying or contradictions, they should be removed from any political office they have and kicked out for life. Big time corruption in them.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

eston posted...

Antifar posted...

To a certain extent, responding to public opinion is what we want politicians to do. It is certainly preferable to stubbornly holding on to a bad opinion even as it becomes disadvantageous.

This is how I feel about it and I really don't understand why people act like it is preferable for a politician to stubbornly cling to their own personal views instead of supporting what their constituents want them to

Transparency

A man who hates minimum wage but pretends he supports it in public is arguably worse than a man who openly hates minimum wage in politics

if you support minimum wage that is

I disagree. Actions are what matter, and just because a politician personally feels a certain way does not mean their policies have to align with that. Platforms are what we vote for
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Why would you vote for platforms? They have little relation to what politicians actually do and sometimes are meaningless. Like this current election in the US. Everything Democrats talk about that isn't an executive order is pointless. They won't have the Senate so why do you care what their healthcare plan or tax plan is? There is no way Republicans are going to pass it.

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Ignoring what history and psychology has taught us in the past Hillary supports whatever moves her closer to her goal. In short, she's a dishonest rat. And I'm not trying to give rats a bad name.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

Her calling black people super predators wh

eh that's disingenuous

Kinda like if someone called the KKK scum and you transcribed is as calling white people scum

Not literally incorrect on a hyperliteral scale but intellectually dishonest
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ssjevot posted...

Why would you vote for platforms? They have little relation to what politicians actually do and sometimes are meaningless. Like this current election in the US. Everything Democrats talk about that isn't an executive order is pointless. They won't have the Senate so why do you care what their healthcare plan or tax plan is? There is no way Republicans are going to pass it.

I would argue that putting too much emphasis on individuals and their personal opinions is one of the reasons American politics is so broken
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UnfairRepresent posted...

eston posted...

Antifar posted...

To a certain extent, responding to public opinion is what we want politicians to do. It is certainly preferable to stubbornly holding on to a bad opinion even as it becomes disadvantageous.

This is how I feel about it and I really don't understand why people act like it is preferable for a politician to stubbornly cling to their own personal views instead of supporting what their constituents want them to

Transparency

A man who hates minimum wage but pretends he supports it in public is arguably worse than a man who openly hates minimum wage in politics

if you support minimum wage that is

Is the former going to vote for it?
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ssjevot posted...

I mean Obama said marriage was between one man and one women before he changed his mind. Politicians have to change their views with the times as society changes and their party's various positions adapt. It's one of many reasons people don't like politicians.

You can change your views on something, but there's a way to come off as genuine as opposed to pandering, where you're only changing your views to appeal to the populace. The dishonest conversion is what people dislike about politicians.
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The Admiral posted...

Obama and Hillarys stances on LGBT issues evolved only once the polls showed it was politically advantageous to do so.

I noticed that too. In 2008, Obama and Hillary were 100% AGAINST it like it was the plague.

There is basically no GOP elected official who will publicly state opposition to gay marriage in 2019. It's the exact same evolution people decry Obama and Hillary for making, just slower and quieter.
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Antifar posted...

There is basically no GOP elected official who will publicly state opposition to gay marriage in 2019. It's the exact same evolution people decry Obama and Hillary for making, just slower and quieter.

It is ok when my people do it.
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