Current Events > Woman finds out after sex man lied about wearing a condom.

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awesome999 posted...

Aaaanyway, that page is a gold mine lmfao!
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Goddammit, I spit my coffee up everywhere.
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Nothing more CE than debating something that is crystal clear to everyone else by throwing up as many incredible hypothetical scenarios you can imagine
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pinky0926 posted...

Nothing more CE than debating something that is crystal clear to everyone else by throwing up as many incredible hypothetical scenarios you can imagine

Don't forget busting out days old alt accounts to continue playing dumb on.
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Ok what if you fell over and accidentally slipped your penis into a transman's butt, but both you and she lied to each otherabout having transitioned, and also she placed a banana underfoot, but you deliberately took a viagra

iS tHaT raEP
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K181 posted...

Yeah, that's very clearly rape.

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pinky0926 posted...

Ok what if you fell over and accidentally slipped your penis into a transman's butt, but both you and she lied to each otherabout having transitioned, and also she placed a banana underfoot, but you deliberately took a viagra

iS tHaT raEP

That probably of success is 7.9%

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Me: "Jesus Christ is my savior."
Her: "Mine too!"
Has sex
Her: "Jesus isnt my savior."
I calls cops
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Now now, we've already said a million times that if a woman lied about being on birth control that the dude should be fucked for life anyways. That its on him to gauge the risk of his partner lying. I believe the term was, "tough shit".
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Lairen posted...

Me: "Jesus Christ is my savior."
Her: "Mine too!"
Has sex
Her: "Jesus isnt my savior."
I calls cops

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Now now, we've already said a million times that if a woman lied about being on birth control that the dude should be fucked for life anyways. That its on him to gauge the risk of his partner lying. I believe the term was, "tough shit".

wow ...

These are some real shitposts
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ImmatureContent posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Yall are crazy throwin the word rape around like its nothing

So, you are brushing this incident off as "nothing".

good lord the reading comprehension on this site is abysmal
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pinky0926 posted...

You guys that don't think that's rape

Some helpful advice: Don't try this on a girl and then follow up with your "well ackchyually" nonsense

That girl will be DESTROYED by FACTS and LOGIC. Shapiro style, baby.

pinky0926 posted...

Ok what if you fell over and accidentally slipped your penis into a transman's butt, but both you and she lied to each otherabout having transitioned, and also she placed a banana underfoot, but you deliberately took a viagra

iS tHaT raEP

What harem anime is this from?

TwoDoorPunkCab posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Yall are crazy throwin the word rape around like its nothing

So, you are brushing this incident off as "nothing".

good lord the reading comprehension on this site is abysmal

Which parts don't you understand? I am happy to explain them to you.
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Now now, we've already said a million times that if a woman lied about being on birth control that the dude should be fucked for life anyways. That its on him to gauge the risk of his partner lying. I believe the term was, "tough shit".

You put your penis in a vagina (unless she's like 55 or something), there is always a chance of pregnancy, birth control isn't 100%, so tough shit.

Conditional consent is real, and violating that is absolutely rape. If the condition was that he wear a condom, and he didn't then that is rape. If a woman lies about being on birth control, or a guy lies about having influence that he could use to help their career, that's rape too.

A Lie by omission is also a violation of conditional consent if the conditions are understood by both parties. If you have a transmittable STD and don't tell your partner, but you have reason to believe they don't already have it, failing to disclose that is just as bad as saying you don't have it and it being a lie.

And yes, if a man is conditionally having sex with a woman that he believes is a cis woman, and she's actually a trans woman and does not disclose it, that is rape too. There is nothing different about that scenario and the scenarios outlined above. You could argue it does no harm, but neither does saying you were a movie producer. It is a willing, fundamental violation of the conditions that the man consented to.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Lairen posted...

Me: "Jesus Christ is my savior."
Her: "Mine too!"
Has sex
Her: "Jesus isnt my savior."
I calls cops

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Now now, we've already said a million times that if a woman lied about being on birth control that the dude should be fucked for life anyways. That its on him to gauge the risk of his partner lying. I believe the term was, "tough shit".

wow ...

These are some real shitposts

I didnt consent to your shitty response.
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s0nicfan posted...

And yes, if a man is conditionally having sex with a woman that he believes is a cis woman, and she's actually a trans woman and does not disclose it, that is rape too. There is nothing different about that scenario and the scenarios outlined above. You could argue it does no harm, but neither does saying you were a movie producer. It is a willing, fundamental violation of the conditions that the man consented to.

You were doing well before this nonsense. You want an actual scenario that is the same as this one? A light skinned black girl has sex with a racist white guy without telling him she is black. He never asked because he just assumed she was white. He doesn't consent to sleep with black girls because of his prejudices. Do you consider that rape?

No one is obligated to disclose personal information in order to sort things out with other people's prejudices. It is not rape by deception. No one is disclosing everything about themselves to people just in case it ticks one of their unwanted boxes. The only reason people are okay calling out transwomen for this is because they are transphobic.
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ImmatureContent posted...

You were doing well before this nonsense. You want an actual scenario that is the same as this one? A light skinned black girl has sex with a racist white guy without telling him she is black. He never asked because he just assumed she was white. He doesn't consent to sleep with black girls because of his prejudices. Do you consider that rape?

No one is obligated to disclose personal information in order to sort things out with other people's prejudices. It is not rape by deception. No one is disclosing everything about themselves to people just in case it ticks one of their unwanted boxes. The only reason people are okay calling out transwomen for this is because they are transphobic.

Yeah, that would be rape too. You lined out of scenario where one of the partners had explicit conditions under which they would not have sex, and the other person knowingly violated them. Just because the guy is a walking piece of shit doesn't mean that his conditions can be arbitrarily ignored as long as they are communicated. Should we start deciding whether or not a woman's preconditions matter or not based on how good of a person she is, too?

The only reason this is even up for debate is because trans people feel like their identity is being violated in having to disclose that they are trans. I can sympathize with that personal desire to keep something secret, but someone with herpes would be deeply embarrassed to disclose that as well, yet we expect them to so that nobody's conditional consent is violated. There's no special exception here. Conditional consent is conditional consent, no matter how badly you would want to willfully mislead someone because it makes you feel better.

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Well this topic turned into a shit show
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s0nicfan posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

You were doing well before this nonsense. You want an actual scenario that is the same as this one? A light skinned black girl has sex with a racist white guy without telling him she is black. He never asked because he just assumed she was white. He doesn't consent to sleep with black girls because of his prejudices. Do you consider that rape?

No one is obligated to disclose personal information in order to sort things out with other people's prejudices. It is not rape by deception. No one is disclosing everything about themselves to people just in case it ticks one of their unwanted boxes. The only reason people are okay calling out transwomen for this is because they are transphobic.

Yeah, that would be rape too. You lined out of scenario where one of the partners had explicit conditions under which they would not have sex, and the other person knowingly violated them. Just because the guy is a walking piece of shit doesn't mean that his conditions can be arbitrarily ignored as long as they are communicated. Should we start deciding whether or not a woman's preconditions matter or not based on how good of a person she is, too?

The only reason this is even up for debate is because trans people feel like their identity is being violated in having to disclose that they are trans. I can sympathize with that personal desire to keep something secret, but someone with herpes would be deeply embarrassed to disclose that as well, yet we expect them to so that nobody's conditional consent is violated. There's no special exception here. Conditional consent is conditional consent, no matter how badly you would want to willfully mislead someone because it makes you feel better.

I didn't line out explicit conditions, only implicit ones. We are having a miscommunication here. I already stated earlier that if asked directly, a transwoman should be required to disclose the truth. But the onus is not on her to do so without being asked. Some people clearly believe she is obligated to do so without question.
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She could not feel the difference?...

Im so embarrassed.
*shares via twitter*
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MudKip_Master posted...

She could not feel the difference?...

Or even see the difference.
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Touch posted...

Well this topic turned into a shit show

Any topic involving harm to women usually does, honestly. Especially with stuff like rape.
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s0nicfan posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

You were doing well before this nonsense. You want an actual scenario that is the same as this one? A light skinned black girl has sex with a racist white guy without telling him she is black. He never asked because he just assumed she was white. He doesn't consent to sleep with black girls because of his prejudices. Do you consider that rape?

No one is obligated to disclose personal information in order to sort things out with other people's prejudices. It is not rape by deception. No one is disclosing everything about themselves to people just in case it ticks one of their unwanted boxes. The only reason people are okay calling out transwomen for this is because they are transphobic.

Yeah, that would be rape too. You lined out of scenario where one of the partners had explicit conditions under which they would not have sex, and the other person knowingly violated them. Just because the guy is a walking piece of shit doesn't mean that his conditions can be arbitrarily ignored as long as they are communicated. Should we start deciding whether or not a woman's preconditions matter or not based on how good of a person she is, too?

The only reason this is even up for debate is because trans people feel like their identity is being violated in having to disclose that they are trans. I can sympathize with that personal desire to keep something secret, but someone with herpes would be deeply embarrassed to disclose that as well, yet we expect them to so that nobody's conditional consent is violated. There's no special exception here. Conditional consent is conditional consent, no matter how badly you would want to willfully mislead someone because it makes you feel better.

If youre saying a light skinned woman not disclosing her ethnic/racial heritage to a racist before sex is rape then holy fuck that is a terrible take and you should be fucking ashamed for thinking youre making an intelligent argument.
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ImmatureContent posted...

I didn't line out explicit conditions, only implicit ones. We are having a miscommunication here. I already stated earlier that if asked directly, a transwoman should be required to disclose the truth. But the onus is not on her to do so without being asked. Some people clearly believe she is obligated to do so without question.

Oh, okay. Yeah, that I misread what you said. If it's all implicit then it would certainly not be rape because it's up to consenting adults to voice any concerns they would have explicitly if they have some specific condition that would otherwise not be assumed. So at worst if a trans woman was under the impression that a potential partner would be upset if they found out and didn't say anything, it would be a shitty thing to do but certainly wouldn't be rape.

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What the fuck, guys?
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K181 posted...

Yeah, that's very clearly rape.

There needs to be a different term than rape for it

Come on

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Hexenherz posted...

User Since: Nov 2019
Karma: 3

What compels someone to make a new account here constantly just to post dumb inflammatory shit like this, seriously?

Ill put my 4000 karma on it

Beating someone and forcefully raping them isnt equal to lying about a condom

Not equal, if you want to call it rape by deception, sure fine

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

If youre saying a light skinned woman not disclosing her ethnic/racial heritage to a racist before sex is rape then holy fuck that is a terrible take and you should be fucking ashamed for thinking youre making an intelligent argument.

If anybody explicitly says "I will not have sex under these conditions", and someone willingly violates those conditions then it doesn't matter what the conditions are, no matter how stupid. In the real world, that person would just never have sex because no one would meet those conditions.

As I clarified above, it's a totally different situation with implicit desires versus explicit ones. But if a racist explicitly says "I do not want to have sex with a black woman", and then somehow in this ridiculous situation a black woman manages to have sex with him without him finding out, that's still a problem. No matter how bad a person he is.

Hopefully that clarifies things.

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s0nicfan posted...

If anybody explicitly says "I will not have sex under these conditions", and someone willingly violates those conditions then it doesn't matter what the conditions are, no matter how stupid. In the real world, that person would just never have sex because no one would meet those conditions.

As I clarified above, it's a totally different situation with implicit desires versus explicit ones. But if a racist explicitly says "I do not want to have sex with a black woman", and then somehow in this ridiculous situation a black woman manages to have sex with him without him finding out, that's still a problem. No matter how bad a person he is.

Hopefully that clarifies things.

Okay

So they agree he wont finish inside, no condom, he accidentally finishes inside

Thats rape too right

Also " rape isnt sexual its about power" remember this meme

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GoodOlJr posted...

K181 posted...

Yeah, that's very clearly rape.

There needs to be a different term than rape for it

Come on

Jesus Christ, this message board...
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GoodOlJr posted...

Okay

So they agree he wont finish inside, no condom, he accidentally finishes inside

Thats rape too right

Also " rape isnt sexual its about power" remember this meme

You seem intelligent enough to understand the impact that intent has on actions. So if you really want to pretend that something accidentally happening is the same as something being done maliciously can go ahead and do that, but if you think you're being clever I have some bad news.

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Damn dudes, how did you let MICHALECOLE fucking get to you all...
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GoodOlJr posted...

Hexenherz posted...

User Since: Nov 2019
Karma: 3

What compels someone to make a new account here constantly just to post dumb inflammatory shit like this, seriously?

Ill put my 4000 karma on it

Beating someone and forcefully raping them isnt equal to lying about a condom

Not equal, if you want to call it rape by deception, sure fine

And shooting a rival gang member isn't the same as chopping up children into small pieces and eating them, but it's all called murder. Do we need new words for every type of murder?
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hockeybub89 posted...

And shooting a rival gang member isn't the same as chopping up children into small pieces and eating them, but it's all called murder. Do we need new words for every type of murder?

Probably not a good example given that we have manslaughter 2nd degree and first-degree murder all as separate crimes with different levels of punishment.

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s0nicfan posted...

You seem intelligent enough to understand the impact that intent has on actions. So if you really want to pretend that something accidentally happening is the same as something being done maliciously can go ahead and do that, but if you think you're being clever I have some bad news.

No just trying to see what we're working with here

There are posts saying its rape if its something that wasnt agreed on


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hockeybub89 posted...

And shooting a rival gang member isn't the same as chopping up children into small pieces and eating them, but it's all called murder. Do we need new words for every type of murder?

This is a good point, yeah, at the same time theres different words, homicide, murder, manslaughter

I thought, and maybe this is a canada thing, or maybe im wrong, that theres rape, and then theres sexual assault

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I'd say it's probably legally not rape because there's pretty much no way you could ever get someone convicted of it unless you have it all on video. You'd need to prove malicious intent, but the guy can simply claim ignorance. But morally, I'd say any major parameter knowingly changed during a sexual encounter without the other party's consent is definitely an act of rape.

I've been considering all your arguments here gents. I mean I've really thought about this awful dilemma you've all posed for a long time.

I've come to understand that actually, this is not the same kind of rape like when 10 ISIS members kidnap someone's wife and...well, I'll spare you the details on that one. But you get the idea. It's not that kind of rape. Not like, rape rape am I right?

After much consideration, I think a suitable term would be rapelite. It's rape, but rape in the same way that Diet Coke is Coke. You know, guilt-free rape. That way, when a highly distinguished gentleman decides to perform a sex act on a girl she explicitly told him not to (and lied about it along the way), he can say

"well ackchyually, that wasn't rape. That was rapelite."

Hope this helps.
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What if she said shed pay for dinner, we have sex, but then she doesnt pay for dinner?
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GoodOlJr posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

And shooting a rival gang member isn't the same as chopping up children into small pieces and eating them, but it's all called murder. Do we need new words for every type of murder?

This is a good point, yeah, at the same time theres different words, homicide, murder, manslaughter

I thought, and maybe this is a canada thing, or maybe im wrong, that theres rape, and then theres sexual assault

Murder and manslaughter are both homicide.

Rape is just sexual assault that involves penetration.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Murder and manslaughter are both homicide.

Rape is just sexual assault that involves penetration.

Also, but rape doesnt have the factor of being premeditated or not, I thought of this later

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Not touching the subject of rape with a ten foot pole, but like.. did this chick have no sensation down there, no sense of smell, and kept her eyes closed for the entire duration of the sexual encounter?

I'm just going to assume that she wasn't sober or coherent, in which case she was probably too inebriated to consent anyway.
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this topic is a fucking disgrace. dozens of posts minimizing and defending rape. do your fucking job mods
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Archibleedies posted...

this topic is a fucking disgrace. dozens of posts minimizing and defending rape. do your fucking job mods

You can hide the topic.
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Archibleedies posted...

this topic is a fucking disgrace. dozens of posts minimizing and defending rape. do your fucking job mods

Censor and punish plz mods!!

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why the fuck you guys always let trolls change the subject

the fuck yall talking about trans women for
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good lord ce is fucking trash
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