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CableZL
10/21/19 1:20:03 PM
#101:


karlpilkington4 posted...
He said the money was held temporarily to make sure there was no corruption. Thats not illegal.

He said the investigation into the DNC was part of the reason the money was held up. That's called putting extra stipulations on money that has already been allocated by congress.
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HylianFox
10/21/19 1:20:56 PM
#102:


It never ceases to amaze me how childish political discourse has become in this country
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 1:27:12 PM
#103:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
He said the money was held temporarily to make sure there was no corruption. Thats not illegal.

He said the investigation into the DNC was part of the reason the money was held up. That's called putting extra stipulations on money that has already been allocated by congress.


Watch the whole video, not this edited one. He gave 3 reasons for why the money was held, and corruption in the Ukraine was part of all 3.
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CableZL
10/21/19 1:29:57 PM
#104:


karlpilkington4 posted...
CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
He said the money was held temporarily to make sure there was no corruption. Thats not illegal.

He said the investigation into the DNC was part of the reason the money was held up. That's called putting extra stipulations on money that has already been allocated by congress.


Watch the whole video, not this edited one. He gave 3 reasons for why the money was held, and corruption in the Ukraine was part of all 3.


Yes, the corruption in Ukraine was one reason. The investigation into the DNC was another reason.

Holding up funds that have been allocated by adding extra stipulations like investigating the DNC is unconstitutional as the supreme court has already ruled. Not sure what's so hard about this.
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ledbowman
10/21/19 1:30:44 PM
#105:


He's saying a unhinged melty to the press right now lol
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CableZL
10/21/19 1:32:47 PM
#106:


ledbowman posted...
He's saying a unhinged melty to the press right now lol


Mulvaney has seriously been having a press tour trying to get people to believe he didn't actually say what he said on video. It's pretty insane.
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spudger
10/21/19 1:33:15 PM
#107:


ledbowman posted...
He's saying a unhinged melty to the press right now lol

xD

wonder how much adderall he snorted before going out
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CableZL
10/21/19 1:39:08 PM
#108:


Trump: There was no quid pro quo. There was never quid pro quo.
Mulvaney: There was quid pro quo. We do it all the time. Get over it.
Mulvaney: There was no quid pro quo
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ledbowman
10/21/19 1:40:12 PM
#109:


spudger posted...
ledbowman posted...
He's saying a unhinged melty to the press right now lol

xD

wonder how much adderall he snorted before going out

Probably a lot. He stopped just short of saying he wants to piss on the whistleblower's ashes
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hockeybub89
10/21/19 1:43:34 PM
#110:


CableZL posted...
Trump: There was no quid pro quo. There was never quid pro quo.
Mulvaney: There was quid pro quo. We do it all the time. Get over it.
Mulvaney: There was no quid pro quo

Well the last thing he said was that there was none so that has to be the truth! We do shady things all the time! Get over it! Except we did nothing shady! Get over it either way!
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 1:43:58 PM
#111:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
He said the money was held temporarily to make sure there was no corruption. Thats not illegal.

He said the investigation into the DNC was part of the reason the money was held up. That's called putting extra stipulations on money that has already been allocated by congress.


Watch the whole video, not this edited one. He gave 3 reasons for why the money was held, and corruption in the Ukraine was part of all 3.


Yes, the corruption in Ukraine was one reason. The investigation into the DNC was another reason.

Holding up funds that have been allocated by adding extra stipulations like investigating the DNC is unconstitutional as the supreme court has already ruled. Not sure what's so hard about this.


He gave 3 reasons. This is his exact words-

The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden". There were 3 factors involved

1) The corruption in the country
2) Whether or not other countries were participating in the support of Ukraine
3)Whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with the department of justice.(referencing the 2016 election and U.S. Attorney John Durham)


So if the money had to do with Biden, why did he say it didn't? Or should we ignore that part? All you're doing is attempting to play word games from a guy who can't seem to talk very well (ironically), while using an edited video to further exploit it.
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ledbowman
10/21/19 1:48:15 PM
#112:


Trump gripes about no Doral G7: you people with this phony emoluments clause. (Fact check: its in the constitution)

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1186332627890065409?s=19
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hockeybub89
10/21/19 1:54:15 PM
#113:


ledbowman posted...
Trump gripes about no Doral G7: you people with this phony emoluments clause. (Fact check: its in the constitution)

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1186332627890065409?s=19


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CableZL
10/21/19 2:00:15 PM
#114:


karlpilkington4 posted...
He gave 3 reasons. This is his exact words-

The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden". There were 3 factors involved

1) The corruption in the country
2) Whether or not other countries were participating in the support of Ukraine
3)Whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with the department of justice.(referencing the 2016 election and U.S. Attorney John Durham)

So if the money had to do with Biden, why did he say it didn't? Or should we ignore that part? All you're doing is attempting to play word games from a guy who can't seem to talk very well (ironically), while using an edited video to further exploit it.


He directly stated that investigating the DNC server was a part of the reason they held the money up.

Reporter: What you just described is a quid pro quo. It is "funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happens as well."
Mulvaney: We do that all the time.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:03:47 PM
#115:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
He gave 3 reasons. This is his exact words-

The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden". There were 3 factors involved

1) The corruption in the country
2) Whether or not other countries were participating in the support of Ukraine
3)Whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with the department of justice.(referencing the 2016 election and U.S. Attorney John Durham)

So if the money had to do with Biden, why did he say it didn't? Or should we ignore that part? All you're doing is attempting to play word games from a guy who can't seem to talk very well (ironically), while using an edited video to further exploit it.


He directly stated that investigating the DNC server was a part of the reason they held the money up.

Reporter: What you just described is a quid pro quo. It is "funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happens as well."
Mulvaney: We do that all the time.


Mulvaney: The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"
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CableZL
10/21/19 2:04:34 PM
#116:


karlpilkington4 posted...
Mulvaney: The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"


Again, he directly stated that pushing Ukraine to investigate the DNC server was a part of why they held up the funding that Congress had already allocated.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:06:41 PM
#117:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mulvaney: The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"


Again, he directly stated that pushing Ukraine to investigate the DNC server was a part of why they held up the funding that Congress had already allocated.


He didnt directly say that. He did directly say The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden
Funny how you want to believe one thing but not the other.
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CableZL
10/21/19 2:09:29 PM
#118:


karlpilkington4 posted...
He didnt directly say that. He did directly say The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden
Funny how you want to believe one thing but not the other.


Yes he did, it's on video and I quoted where he said it. The reporter asks for clarification because what he described is indeed a quid pro quo. He then admitted that they do that all the time. It's also funny how his "3 reasons for holding the money up" turned into "2 reasons for holding the money up" when he was asked to further clarify in the days after the interview.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:10:58 PM
#119:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
He didnt directly say that. He did directly say The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden
Funny how you want to believe one thing but not the other.


Yes he did, it's on video and I quoted where he said it. The reporter asks for clarification because what he described is indeed a quid pro quo. He then admitted that they do that all the time. It's also funny how his "3 reasons for holding the money up" turned into "2 reasons for holding the money up" when he was asked to further clarify in the days after the interview.


So did he or did he not say-

"The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"?
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Vicious_Dios
10/21/19 2:11:04 PM
#120:


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Hahaha the irony is lost ITT



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CableZL
10/21/19 2:15:33 PM
#121:


karlpilkington4 posted...
So did he or did he not say-

"The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"?


I think you're confused about something. He said it had nothing to do with Biden, but admitted that pressuring Ukraine to investigate the DNC server was part of the reason the funds were held up.

Again, the latter is indeed a quid pro quo, and would be an extra stipulation placed on releasing the funds that Congress had already allocated. That's unconstitutional.
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CableZL
10/21/19 2:16:55 PM
#122:


Gordon Sondland, former ambassador to the EU, also testified to Congress that Trump and Rudy Giuliani were pushing Ukraine to pursue those investigations.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:18:17 PM
#123:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
So did he or did he not say-

"The holding of the money had nothing to do with Biden"?


I think you're confused about something. He said it had nothing to do with Biden, but admitted that pressuring Ukraine to investigate the DNC server was part of the reason the funds were held up.

Again, the latter is indeed a quid pro quo, and would be an extra stipulation placed on releasing the funds that Congress had already allocated. That's unconstitutional.


After the press briefing, Mulvaney walked back his previous remarks, claiming that the media had "misconstrued" his comments "to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump," adding, Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election."

There ya go. From his own words. There was no quid pro quo. Not sure what else there is to argue. You seem to think an edited video and a back and fourth argument with an interviewer is some sort of proof of anything.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:19:34 PM
#124:


"The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server." -
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CableZL
10/21/19 2:23:01 PM
#125:


karlpilkington4 posted...
After the press briefing, Mulvaney walked back his previous remarks, claiming that the media had "misconstrued" his comments "to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump," adding, Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election."

There ya go. From his own words. There was no quid pro quo. Not sure what else there is to argue. You seem to think an edited video and a back and fourth argument with an interviewer is some sort of proof of anything.


LOL, sure, and while he's denying the quid pro quo after already admitting to it, he's trying to get people to believe he didn't say the exact words he's on video saying. During his interview on Fox News with Chris Wallace, he tried to say that he said during the press conference that there were two reasons for the withholding of the funds when he clearly stated there were 3 reasons, including the investigation into the DNC server.

There's a difference between mixing up your words in a heated argument and directly lying about what you're on video saying during your own press conference. Then directly lying about what you're on video saying in the days after as if the video of you saying it doesn't exist. Also, the reporter asked him to clarify what he said, saying "What you described is a quid pro quo." Mulvaney followed that up by saying "we do that all the time." It wasn't even a heated situation. It was just a request for clarification and he said they do it all the time and that people need to get over it.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 2:30:02 PM
#126:


CableZL posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
After the press briefing, Mulvaney walked back his previous remarks, claiming that the media had "misconstrued" his comments "to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump," adding, Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election."

There ya go. From his own words. There was no quid pro quo. Not sure what else there is to argue. You seem to think an edited video and a back and fourth argument with an interviewer is some sort of proof of anything.


LOL, sure, and while he's denying the quid pro quo after already admitting to it, he's trying to get people to believe he didn't say the exact words he's on video saying. During his interview on Fox News with Chris Wallace, he tried to say that he said during the press conference that there were two reasons for the withholding of the funds when he clearly stated there were 3 reasons, including the investigation into the DNC server.

There's a difference between mixing up your words in a heated argument and directly lying about what you're on video saying during your own press conference. Then directly lying about what you're on video saying in the days after as if the video of you saying it doesn't exist. Also, the reporter asked him to clarify what he said, saying "What you described is a quid pro quo." Mulvaney followed that up by saying "we do that all the time." It wasn't even a heated situation. It was just a request for clarification and he said they do it all the time and that people need to get over it.


You cant have it both ways. Either his words have weight or they dont.
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CableZL
10/21/19 2:31:43 PM
#127:


karlpilkington4 posted...
You cant have it both ways. Either his words have weight or they dont.


I would say his admission holds more weight than him lying about what he's on video saying. Especially since you have other people testifying to Congress about Trump and Giuliani pushing Ukraine to investigate both Biden and the DNC server.
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