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Stewman_Magoo
10/18/19 11:02:46 AM
#51:


Duncanwii posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Duncanwii posted...
spudger posted...
you realize the guns and cartel violence is even worse, right?

Option A is bad. Option B is almost entirely as bad but not quite as bad so Option B is clearly the better choice.

Is that right?


Better than turning the streets into a literal warzone. If marijuana or the harder drugs are legalized it doesn't mean 95 percent of the teen and adult population will turn into weed heads or Walking Dead junkies, I doubt usage rate would even change a considerable amount.

Need I remind you of Prohibition and the level of gang violence and organized crime that arose from it?

Weed is fine. Stuff like crack and heroine, stuff that can kill you with one dose and will leave you chemically dependent for the rest of your life if it doesnt kill you, should not bd on the streets in any form. Period.

You clearly do not understand drug use. Please stop.

No. Im not going to sit here and listen to people act like putting dangerous mind altering substances onto the street with no government oversight is in any way acceptable. Drugs is one of the areas Im fairly conservative in. I hate them >:(


That's why you do it through government run safe injection sites where you also have programs and information to help people also get off of those drugs.
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Sad_Face
10/18/19 11:12:44 AM
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pls posted...
We need to increase our border security asap.

Won't address the root problem of the Cartels investing far more than the government's budget will allow combating against delivering drugs to the US and they'll also be servicing Central America as well. Border security will be clashing with refugees fleeing from the violence.

Duncanwii posted...
No. Im not going to sit here and listen to people act like putting dangerous mind altering substances onto the street with no government oversight is in any way acceptable. Drugs is one of the areas Im fairly conservative in. I hate them >:(

It sounds contradictory, but legalizing drugs is the best way to combat cartels. When drugs are condemned, people who are hooked on it have a much harder time seeking help to wean themselves off of it due to the social stigma. Had it been legal, the government can regulate its usage, people can talk about it more openly, be more educated on its effects, and be able to seek help to remove it from their lives. In addition, the competition from legal and nonviolent vendors would destroy the power and influence of cartels.

If you don't believe me, look at the rates of drug use in Portugal. Heck, cigarette usage has gone down among the rich considerably because they're informed of the dangers. Speaking of which, this will introduce a new problem of the government allowing drug companies to take advantage of the poor and heavily market in those types of communities as what the Tobacco industry is doing, but this a problem easier to work with than combating military grade equipped Cartels.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/18/19 11:16:51 AM
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Legalizing all drugs has been proven multiple times to actually lower the rate of heroin and cocaine use, overdoses, relapses, STD spread, and violent crime.
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mario2000
10/18/19 11:22:27 AM
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lmbo not surprised the first page of this topic is nothing but redhats

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ScazarMeltex
10/18/19 11:24:38 AM
#55:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
Legalizing all drugs has been proven multiple times to actually lower the rate of heroin and cocaine use, overdoses, relapses, STD spread, and violent crime.

Woah woah there, let's not go letting things empirical evidence get in the way Duncanwii's "drugs are bad" argument.
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CommonStar
10/18/19 11:27:02 AM
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I wonder where they got all these guns from.
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HANGtheDJ_86
10/18/19 11:34:46 AM
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OctaviaMelody30 posted...
If you buy illegal drugs, you could be supporting the cartels. I suggest you stop.

No worries

China's got our back yo
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Questionmarktarius
10/18/19 11:36:18 AM
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CommonStar posted...
I wonder where they got all these guns from.

Brazil, probably.
The US at least tries to keep obviously foreign purchasers away, and automatic weapons haven't been easily available since 1986.
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CanuckCowboy
10/18/19 11:38:14 AM
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Joeydollaz posted...
No way USA steps into this mess, just like USA will never step into Israel vs Pals never ending war


Trump already solved that though. Remember? He was gonna make a deal and it was gonna be great. Problem solved.

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IfGodCouldDie
10/18/19 11:43:21 AM
#60:


Duncanwii posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Duncanwii posted...
spudger posted...
you realize the guns and cartel violence is even worse, right?

Option A is bad. Option B is almost entirely as bad but not quite as bad so Option B is clearly the better choice.

Is that right?


Better than turning the streets into a literal warzone. If marijuana or the harder drugs are legalized it doesn't mean 95 percent of the teen and adult population will turn into weed heads or Walking Dead junkies, I doubt usage rate would even change a considerable amount.

Need I remind you of Prohibition and the level of gang violence and organized crime that arose from it?

Weed is fine. Stuff like crack and heroine, stuff that can kill you with one dose and will leave you chemically dependent for the rest of your life if it doesnt kill you, should not bd on the streets in any form. Period.

You clearly do not understand drug use. Please stop.

No. Im not going to sit here and listen to people act like putting dangerous mind altering substances onto the street with no government oversight is in any way acceptable. Drugs is one of the areas Im fairly conservative in. I hate them >:(

See that's your problem. You are assuming that there would be no government oversight. Do you think that alchohol, tobacco, prescription meds, and with whatever states have legalized it, weed are just dumped in to the streets with no government regulations attached at all? Also, alchohol and tobacco combined kill more people than every other fucking drug combined so obviously the danger factor is not actually a concern for you.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
10/18/19 12:31:14 PM
#61:


OctaviaMelody30 posted...
If you buy illegal drugs, you could be supporting the cartels. I suggest you stop.

If you support making drugs illegal, you ARE supporting the cartels. I suggest you stop.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
10/18/19 12:33:32 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
You also just cant let things like Cocaine and Heroine be out on the streets legally. That shit kills people. And it can lethal on the very first dose.

Its dangerous because it's not regulated bro, you're literally arguing against yourself. Most heroin overdoses are due to the H being cut with fentanyl. Nobody really overdoses on cocaine, crack is another story though.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
10/18/19 12:43:04 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
eston posted...
Legalizing drugs would not put an end to cartel violence, it would just mean that the cartels would be able to sell drugs legally. They would still have all the same incentive to do this stuff.

But then they'd have competition from respected and nonviolent businesses and would subsequently lose their monopoly on the industry and all their customers. This is why you don't see cartels brewing moonshine even though it was once upon a time illegal.

And you think they'd just continue sitting in their country and allow that to happen?
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ThyCorndog
10/18/19 12:44:13 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Anyone who supports the war on drugs supports this unknowingly or not

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evil_zombie11
10/18/19 12:46:47 PM
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Having no police is such a great idea here in the US :)

Jk they got destroyed out there, might as well not even exist. Omg
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ThePrinceFish
10/18/19 12:49:13 PM
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It's insane that they just let El Chapo's son go. AMLO is one of the biggest joke leaders on the planet. What a fucking spineless coward who bends over backwards to the cartels.
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NoMeLx22x
10/18/19 1:11:35 PM
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One step closer to a full on Narco state...

...if it already isn't. Pretty much is.
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Joeydollaz
10/18/19 1:18:50 PM
#68:


ThePrinceFish posted...
It's insane that they just let El Chapo's son go. AMLO is one of the biggest joke leaders on the planet. What a fucking spineless coward who bends over backwards to the cartels.


Once 50Cals and Machine gun trucks rolled out. WHAT could they do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-6mJv2SgnQ" data-time="

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ThePrinceFish
10/18/19 1:19:51 PM
#69:


Joeydollaz posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
It's insane that they just let El Chapo's son go. AMLO is one of the biggest joke leaders on the planet. What a fucking spineless coward who bends over backwards to the cartels.


Once 50Cals and Machine gun trucks rolled out. WHAT could they do?

Send in the fucking military like the leader of a country who has lost control to criminals? Then again, he probably doesn't actually control the military either.
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Joeydollaz
10/18/19 1:20:24 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Joeydollaz posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
It's insane that they just let El Chapo's son go. AMLO is one of the biggest joke leaders on the planet. What a fucking spineless coward who bends over backwards to the cartels.


Once 50Cals and Machine gun trucks rolled out. WHAT could they do?

Send in the fucking military like the leader of a country who has lost control to criminals? Then again, he probably doesn't actually control the military either.


Military are their Friends....so any attempt of that would get intercepted

The Military side of the Cartel could easy take over the entire Country, They just don't need to ruin their business

The Cartels need the Military support to keep it all under control.
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Tsuyoi3
10/18/19 1:28:36 PM
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Everyone's saying legal, non violent businesses would out compete the cartels, and I'm just seeing the cartel's next shooting targets.
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Atralis
10/18/19 1:30:10 PM
#72:


coh posted...
it's crazy to me that there are people who think they aren't bringing that shit over here.


coh posted...
it's crazy to me that there are people who think they aren't bringing that shit over here.


They aren't rolling around towns with 50 cal machine guns bolted onto their pickup trucks or fighting battles against the national guard in the middle of the streets.

It seems crazy to me that you have the president of Mexico basically going on the air to surrender to the cartels after losing a battle with a cartel in a major city. He literally said "we cant fight fire with fire". This sets a terrible precedent. Police cant hope for reinforcements when shit gets bad.
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Monolith1676
10/18/19 1:30:16 PM
#73:


Sad_Face posted...
But then they'd have competition from respected and nonviolent businesses and would subsequently lose their monopoly on the industry and all their customers. This is why you don't see cartels brewing moonshine even though it was once upon a time illegal.


I hope that wasn't a serious answer. The cartel would just kill their competition.

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CommonStar
10/18/19 1:31:09 PM
#74:


Questionmarktarius posted...
CommonStar posted...
I wonder where they got all these guns from.

Brazil, probably.
The US at least tries to keep obviously foreign purchasers away, and automatic weapons haven't been easily available since 1986.

Nah, they're coming from the US.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/18/19 1:32:03 PM
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Atralis posted...
It seems crazy to me that you have the president of Mexico basically going on the air to surrender to the cartels after losing a battle with a cartel in a major city. He literally said "we cant fight fire with fire". This sets a terrible precedent. Police cant hope for reinforcements when shit gets bad.
The President of Mexico needs to grow a spine and ask the US for help.

We're right over the border and this kind of battle can be dealt with by the US.
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Sad_Face
10/18/19 1:35:05 PM
#76:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
And you think they'd just continue sitting in their country and allow that to happen?

They can try, but I'd imagine this would mean waging war on the US. I can bet they'll lose that one.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/18/19 1:59:40 PM
#77:


Tsuyoi3 posted...
Everyone's saying legal, non violent businesses would out compete the cartels, and I'm just seeing the cartel's next shooting targets.

But if that was happening on US soil you can guarantee that the US would squash it.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/18/19 2:00:28 PM
#78:


Monolith1676 posted...
Sad_Face posted...
But then they'd have competition from respected and nonviolent businesses and would subsequently lose their monopoly on the industry and all their customers. This is why you don't see cartels brewing moonshine even though it was once upon a time illegal.


I hope that wasn't a serious answer. The cartel would just kill their competition.

Not on US soil.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/18/19 2:02:01 PM
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Because you have to realize that if the US legalized drugs they would become the Cartels biggest competitor and I doubt the Cartel could wage war against the US.
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Dark_Spiret
10/18/19 2:06:52 PM
#80:


CommonStar posted...
Nah, they're coming from the US.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-flow-of-guns-from-the-u-s-to-mexico-is-getting-lost-in-the-border-debate

the cartels arnt carrying around a few AR's and pistols. the whole "straw purchasers" are a wildly inflated excuse (not saying it doesnt happen). these guys are running around with fully auto SAWs, browning M2 machine guns, LAW rocket launcher, grenades and most of their rifles and sub guns are full auto. if they are getting their serious hardware from the US then its someone high up in the system cause you cant just walk into any gun store, pass a background check and walk out with any of that shit.
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Joeydollaz
10/18/19 2:14:14 PM
#81:


Dark_Spiret posted...
CommonStar posted...
Nah, they're coming from the US.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-flow-of-guns-from-the-u-s-to-mexico-is-getting-lost-in-the-border-debate

the cartels arnt carrying around a few AR's and pistols. the whole "straw purchasers" are a wildly inflated excuse (not saying it doesnt happen). these guys are running around with fully auto SAWs, browning M2 machine guns, LAW rocket launcher, grenades and most of their rifles and sub guns are full auto. if they are getting their serious hardware from the US then its someone high up in the system cause you cant just walk into any gun store, pass a background check and walk out with any of that shit.


I am certain this type of guy is down there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF4tdyuBGqI" data-time="

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FL81
10/18/19 3:01:09 PM
#82:


This is why Mexico needs legal gun ownership and well regulated citizen militias
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Tsuyoi3
10/18/19 4:17:11 PM
#83:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Tsuyoi3 posted...
Everyone's saying legal, non violent businesses would out compete the cartels, and I'm just seeing the cartel's next shooting targets.

But if that was happening on US soil you can guarantee that the US would squash it.

A fair point I hadn't considered.
I feel they would lose a decent chunk of funding, but they do a few other things.
If they got desperate enough, they could end up simple terrorist group, attacking places for conquest and money.
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GrAyFoX312k
10/18/19 4:58:37 PM
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If legalization happens, I don't see cartels killing anybody. I do see them bribing/threatening officials or even striking a deal with big pharma to get product across. I think legalization/regulation is the right call but there are too many interests at work. No one is going to want to pay extra taxes for safe injection sites because no one wants to pay out of pocket to help drug abusers because of stigma.

Even if we were to adopt this plan the scale is much larger. Drug companies want to keep people hooked so they can get hooked on stronger LEGAL medication then sell the "cure" for an absurd price. FYI fentanyl is 10x stronger than heroin and is legal and is even pushed for doctors prescribe, and drug companies are even synthesizing stronger opiates than fentanyl. I know it seems like its off topic but the war on drugs doesn't only apply with illegal substances.
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masticatingman
10/19/19 10:40:09 PM
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Yeah when I heard shit was going down in Culiacan (so Sinaloa) I knew shit was gonna get real. Ultimately, Mexican president looks weak af here.
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sondast
10/19/19 10:43:41 PM
#87:


Ouned posted...
To be fair Trump wanted to send military but everyone said no, so...

Cartels aren't doing this shit on the US border.
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inloveanddeath0
10/19/19 10:52:31 PM
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Not a completely serious question but why not nuke a known cartel area that's far away from civilians
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/22/19 12:26:58 PM
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the banking cartels are the scariest.
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