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Caution998
10/14/19 10:48:53 AM
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No, it's a ridiculous "holiday"
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Squidkids
10/14/19 10:53:57 AM
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@BobanMarjanovic posted...
yeah why not

because it is full of misinformation including some people trying state the truth here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg" data-time="

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Iegend
10/14/19 10:54:33 AM
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Lairen posted...
Santa and the Easter bunny dont even exist.


Uhh.. hold up
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-Cipher-
10/14/19 10:55:03 AM
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No because I don't get off work
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KILBOTz
10/14/19 10:55:51 AM
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Yes. Everyone is an iconoclast anymore. He did a remarkable feat. The entire world would be different without him.
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ThyCorndog
10/14/19 10:59:59 AM
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what's Columbus Day?

today is Joseph Antoine Ferdinand Plateau's 218th birthday
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Lorenzo_2003
10/14/19 11:14:15 AM
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Columbus is definitely a controversial figure. On the one hand, we know about the atrocities he and his crew committed. But on the other, he did open up the route to the so-called New World from Europe, which is the precursor to what we now have today in the Americas. This is fact, regardless of his navigation errors. Leif Erikson beat him to it, but there was no lasting impact achieved, as far as we know. I don't see why you would celebrate Erikson, if you're not going to celebrate Columbus, considering neither was first anyway, what with all the tribes people who were there already.
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Squidkids
10/14/19 11:24:02 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Columbus is definitely a controversial figure. On the one hand, we know about the atrocities he and his crew committed. But on the other, he did open up the route to the so-called New World from Europe, which is the precursor to what we now have today in the Americas. This is fact, regardless of his navigation errors. Leif Erikson beat him to it, but there was no lasting impact achieved, as far as we know. I don't see why you would celebrate Erikson, if you're not going to celebrate Columbus, considering neither was first anyway, what with all the tribes people who were there already.

saying there was "navigation errors" is highly questionable though *points at the video i posted*
Yes he technically got it "wrong" but not to the degree people think he did.
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Lorenzo_2003
10/14/19 11:29:34 AM
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Squidkids posted...
saying there was "navigation errors" is highly questionable though *points at the video i posted*
Yes he technically got it "wrong" but not to the degree people think he did.


Oh, yeah. I've watched that video before. It's partly what made me rethink things about this topic, as it tends to arise every year. Thanks for linking it again for others.
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Phewfus
10/14/19 11:33:19 AM
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Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.
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mario2000
10/14/19 11:35:48 AM
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Phewfus posted...
Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.


By celebrating a deranged mass murderer? Lol

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Phewfus
10/14/19 11:37:23 AM
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mario2000 posted...
Phewfus posted...
Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.


By celebrating a deranged mass murderer? Lol

He wasn't viewed that way back in the early 20th century. Portraying an Italian Catholic discovering America was used to combat hate groups like the KKK who loathe Italians and catholics.
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TroutPaste
10/14/19 12:22:24 PM
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Phewfus posted...
Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.

Citation? I believe you, just curious. I'm Catholic so that's interesting. Specifically Irish, kinda forget how real that hate was
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Shuto-uke
10/14/19 1:06:12 PM
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@TroutPaste posted...
Specifically Irish, kinda forget how real that hate was


Yeah, that's why it baffles me how some of the modern Irish like Steve Bannon, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan are so rabidly anti-hispanic... or for that case, some of the modern italians too, like Arpaio
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ultimate reaver
10/14/19 1:12:27 PM
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Columbus is a totally terrible person and not even in the usual arguable ways people present for the case of celebrating shit like confederate soldiers. He violently lorded over colonists, murdered a bunch of indigenous people, and then was deposed by the king of Spain. There's no point in celebrating him.

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TroutPaste
10/14/19 1:18:40 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
TroutPaste posted...
Specifically Irish, kinda forget how real that hate was


Yeah, that's why it baffles me how some of the modern Irish like Steve Bannon, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan are so rabidly anti-hispanic... or for that case, some of the modern italians too, like Arpaio


I can assure you that the Irish are not a model ethnicity, like some people imply
We've had all sorts of crazy people over the centuries, including the modern era
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skermac
10/14/19 1:24:55 PM
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Im always supporting a holiday any holiday, we need more holidays
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Phewfus
10/14/19 2:58:25 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
Phewfus posted...
Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.

Citation? I believe you, just curious. I'm Catholic so that's interesting. Specifically Irish, kinda forget how real that hate was


President Benjamin Harrison proclaimed it as a one-time national celebration in 1892 in the wake of a bloody New Orleans lynching that took the lives of 11 Italian immigrants. The proclamation was part of a broader attempt to quiet outrage among Italian-Americans, and a diplomatic blowup over the murders that brought Italy and the United States to the brink of war.[9]

During the anniversary in 1892, teachers, preachers, poets and politicians used rituals to teach ideals of patriotism. These rituals took themes such as citizenship boundaries, the importance of loyalty to the nation, and the celebration of social progress.[10][11][12]

Many Italian-Americans observe Columbus Day as a celebration of their heritage, and the first such celebration was held in New York City on October 12, 1866.[13] The day was first enshrined as a legal holiday in the United States through the lobbying of Angelo Noce, a first generation Italian, in Denver.[14] The first statewide holiday was proclaimed by Colorado governor Jesse F. McDonald in 1905, and it was made a statutory holiday in 1907.[15][16] In April 1937, as a result of lobbying by the Knights of Columbus and New York City Italian leader Generoso Pope, Congress and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt proclaimed October 12 be a federal holiday under the name Columbus Day.[15][17][18][19]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day#History
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TroutPaste
10/14/19 3:07:59 PM
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Villain
10/14/19 3:10:02 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
Yes, Happy Columbus Day.
Do you like living with paved roads, buildings, basically in the modern world?
Columbus started that, regardless of whether how he started it was right.

... where do you come up with this stuff
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Shuto-uke
10/14/19 3:15:25 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
haha that's right, Columbus day was largely started by italian-americans


maybe in the US. It's celebrated across all of the continent and in spain too
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Phewfus
10/14/19 3:55:25 PM
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Shuto-uke posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
haha that's right, Columbus day was largely started by italian-americans


maybe in the US. It's celebrated across all of the continent and in spain too


Isn't it called Hispanic Day or something similar?
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/19 4:01:09 PM
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it's hard to separate America from its murderous heroes, lol.

I'm surprised he's not on some type of old American currency somewhere.
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SwordMaster13X
10/14/19 4:01:23 PM
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Maybe they should call it Italian American Day then?
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Shuto-uke
10/14/19 5:31:28 PM
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Phewfus posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
haha that's right, Columbus day was largely started by italian-americans


maybe in the US. It's celebrated across all of the continent and in spain too


Isn't it called Hispanic Day or something similar?


No idea, LOL.

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SapphireClassic
10/14/19 5:32:01 PM
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Yes, history shouldn't be censored.
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Wewillrocku
10/14/19 5:32:48 PM
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i wonder if america should replace columbus day with lewis and clark day
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/19 6:07:45 PM
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SapphireClassic posted...
Yes, history shouldn't be censored.


but what if history makes us feel bad?

can we just limit it to the parts that make us feel good? maybe not mention things that would bring shame to the character?
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OctaviaMelody30
10/14/19 6:16:33 PM
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Should make you thankful that you don't live back in those days were violence ruled.
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DeadBankerDream
10/14/19 6:17:12 PM
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tremain07 posted...
BobanMarjanovic posted...
yeah why not

Because the dude was a fraud, a rapist and a mass murdering racist.

Nah.
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Wewillrocku
10/14/19 6:17:37 PM
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were violence ruled
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Philosopher_X
10/14/19 6:23:07 PM
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OctaviaMelody30 posted...
Should make you thankful that you don't live back in those days were violence ruled.


Somebody's sheltered, lol.
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Southernfatman
10/14/19 6:24:17 PM
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lilORANG
10/14/19 6:27:34 PM
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Literally nobody celebrates Columbus day. It's a day off work for some people. That's it.
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BioPeace
10/14/19 6:27:59 PM
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Hahaha holy cow, this is a serious discuission and not a lulz thread.
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Solid Sonic
10/14/19 6:30:09 PM
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DevsBro posted...
You don't get work/school off.

Well I didn't have to go to work today.
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Hanky_Bannister
10/14/19 6:31:58 PM
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No he didnt do shit
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Unsugarized_Foo
10/14/19 6:33:24 PM
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Yes, I like any day I get to sleep in. Not like anyone goes out their way to go 'hey, yay Columbus's. It's 'I didn't know the banks would be closed today day'
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
10/14/19 6:59:18 PM
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No, he wasn't a person worth celebrating.
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FursonaNonGrata
10/14/19 7:00:20 PM
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Columbus was a bitch
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gmanthebest
10/15/19 5:26:19 AM
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Squidkids posted...
@BobanMarjanovic posted...
yeah why not

because it is full of misinformation including some people trying state the "truth" here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg" data-time="

That's a great video. Too bad most people don't watch it
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DevsBro
10/15/19 9:44:12 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
SapphireClassic posted...
Yes, history shouldn't be censored.


but what if history makes us feel bad?

can we just limit it to the parts that make us feel good? maybe not mention things that would bring shame to the character?

Reminds me of my high school World History teacher, who kept promising to tell us "the one happy story in History" for the first half of the class, then dropped it.

On the last real day of class (you know, aside from the ones during exams where you don't do anything and probably go home anyway), a girl asks him about it, and he says "oh yeah..." And then continues talking about whatever he was talking about lol.
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ThyCorndog
10/15/19 12:09:51 PM
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Squidkids posted...
BobanMarjanovic posted...
yeah why not

because it is full of misinformation including some people trying state the "truth" here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg" data-time="

huh. didn't know a lot of that. I kinda feel dumb for blindly buying into the stuff people said about him now lol
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Questionmarktarius
10/15/19 12:42:03 PM
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Beyond the banks being closed and no mail getting delivered, I don't really see much "celebrating" at all.
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Prestoff
10/15/19 12:47:22 PM
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Phewfus posted...
Columbus day was originally a progressive holiday, hilariously enough.

It was used to combat bigotry against Italians and catholics.


I remember reading somewhere about this as well.
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I Like Toast
10/15/19 12:48:22 PM
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tremain07 posted...


Because the dude was a fraud, a rapist and a mass murdering racist
And those aren't the things being celebrated

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SquantoZ
10/15/19 12:55:11 PM
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SapphireClassic posted...
Yes, history shouldn't be censored.


But it's not being censored. A holiday name change literally won't change schools from teaching students about the dark history of how this country was discovered.

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Questionmarktarius
10/15/19 12:58:07 PM
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SquantoZ posted...
SapphireClassic posted...
Yes, history shouldn't be censored.


But it's not being censored. A holiday name change literally won't change schools from teaching students about the dark history of how this country was discovered.

The holiday didn't even exist until 1937.
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