Current Events > Just beat Link's Awakening - story made no sense *Spoilers*

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So - you're trying to awaken this demented looking whale thing. And the whole island was its dream and Link somehow is part of that dream and ends up waking him up so he can wake up. The fuck?

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Link basically crashed into the dream, everything the wind fish dreamt was real until he woke it up. It's sort of like hopping into another universe

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The lightning bolt transferred his consciousness into the Windfish's dream... or it's magic who the fuck knows.
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I think the Wind Fish is some demonic entity that wipes out life when it wakes up. The owl is it's gatekeeper.

Seriously the owl is a dick. The people and island were actually real, and it tricked Link into thinking otherwise. He's literally the devil and Link is just a stupid pawn.

So Link murder everything when he woke up the Wind Fish? Just so he can be free himself. Pretty damn selfish.

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The final boss wasnt being that evil even. Yeah keeping someone asleep is shitty but theres an entire island of life at stake in his dream at this point.
Also how does Link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.
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CookieV3 posted...

Also how does link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Read a real fucked up fanfic where (trur ending SPOILERS) seagull Marin flies down to sing to him and he kills/eats her without realizing who it is.
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The real awakening is Link's bloodlust
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Link is destined to stumble into alternate worlds between main games.
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Its all about transcendental surrealism man. Dreams becoming reality, the shared dream universe, these are all principles of transcendental meditation.

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marthsheretoo posted...

CookieV3 posted...

Also how does link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Read a real fucked up fanfic where (trur ending SPOILERS) seagull Marin flies down to sing to him and he kills/eats her without realizing who it is.

I think I found it lol. https://m.fanfiction.net/s/6090485/1/Link-s-Awakening-What-Came-After
Like another mentioned in this topic, Link already sacrificed an island for his freedom. Its not a stretch that if Link did know hed eat her anyway out of desperation.

CM_Ponch posted...

The real awakening is Link's bloodlust

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The real mystery is why is it called the legend of Zelda? There is nobody named Zelda in the game.
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CookieV3 posted...

The final boss wasnt being that evil even. Yeah keeping someone asleep is shitty but theres an entire island of life at stake in his dream at this point.
Also how does Link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Some like to say the Wind Fish would save him.

But since Nintendos dumb as fuck timeline has that being the last adventure for a Link who went on the most adventures, I'm going to assume he was fucked.
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KillerSlaw posted...

CookieV3 posted...

The final boss wasnt being that evil even. Yeah keeping someone asleep is shitty but theres an entire island of life at stake in his dream at this point.
Also how does Link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Some like to say the Wind Fish would save him.

But since Nintendos dumb as fuck timeline has that being the last adventure for a Link who went on the most adventures, I'm going to assume he was fucked.

They updated the timeline on the Zelda website and put Links Awakening before the Oracle games. So he actually does get back to land somehow. I guess he wasnt that far out before the storm.
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But also a seagull was a part of the dream, or maybe dream marin broke thru to the real world as a seagull. Everyone else except the nightmares were not real imo.
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Darkraiomb posted...

The real mystery is why is it called the legend of Zelda? There is nobody named Zelda in the game.

this is just an idea but it might have to do with the nintendo playstation/phillips cd-i being in the works at the time of development and nintendo having some idea of what phillips planned to do with zelda despite not being able to do anything about it. rather than being prefixed by the title, "the legend of link," or whatever, they decided just to stick with the original and avoid being associated with anything phillips might've done

more related to the actual title because of how nintendo decided to release an official timeline, it might just be because link is so closely tied to "the legend of zelda," and had that link decided to stay on kohilint for the rest of his life, no further links would've happened
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They had a chance to retcon all this dumb bullshit, lol

Marin is precious and deserves to exist

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viewmaster_pi posted...

They had a chance to retcon all this dumb bullshit, lol

Marin is precious and deserves to exist

retcon what? what dumb shit

marin was the conception of the windfish and became real. kind of like the offspring in the egg. maybe Link was the "sperm" lol
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fuck seagulls

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flock of seagull
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Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

The final boss wasnt being that evil even. Yeah keeping someone asleep is shitty but theres an entire island of life at stake in his dream at this point.
Also how does Link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Is this the same Link who uses musical instruments to warp back to places he's already visited? I think he'll be fine.

Link gets rid of his items between games anyways. Since the wind fish world is a dream the ocarina from that world he uses to fast travel here is probably gone too.
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In the original gb version, link got back to land at the end by repeatedly using the screen skip glitch...
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Machete posted...

In the original gb version, link got back to land at the end by repeatedly using the screen skip glitch...

yes, but in the VC version you can get red tunic, blue tunic, red tunic without forcing
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They sent out a ship to search for the one that sank in the intro, and found Link.
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CookieV3 posted...

They updated the timeline on the Zelda website and put Links Awakening before the Oracle games. So he actually does get back to land somehow. I guess he wasnt that far out before the storm.

lol wut?

How the fuck does that work?

Might as well just make Oracle Link OoT Link after Majoras Mask since has epona and the game features Gorons which were not part of the LttP timeline.

Wait, timlines are fucking dumb why am I paying this any attention oh shit Nintendo done got me again
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Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

The final boss wasnt being that evil even. Yeah keeping someone asleep is shitty but theres an entire island of life at stake in his dream at this point.
Also how does Link get home on his two logs and a barrel raft thingy? No food, no drinking water. Middle of nowhere. He dead.

Is this the same Link who uses musical instruments to warp back to places he's already visited? I think he'll be fine.

Link gets rid of his items between games anyways. Since the wind fish world is a dream the ocarina from that world he uses to fast travel here is probably gone too.

There's usually a reason Link doesn't have his items between games, though. For example if it's a different Link (e.g. Wind Waker) or he goes back in time and his Ocarina gets stolen (like in Majora's Mask, where you'll notice he still has his Kokiri Sword to start). If he's stranded and he still has his stuff, I doubt he's going to be tossing it just because lol video game logic.

Only thats exactly what happened. Link isnt loaded with LTTP gear in either Links Awakening or the Oracle games. This iteration of Link has to get 4 boomerangs, one for each adventure, as an example.
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spoilers it was all a dream
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Zelda fans: the guys who put 1000x more thought into the story than the creators do

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FFX copied Link's Awakening
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Godnorgosh posted...

How do you know Link didn't have gear prior to washing up on Toronbo? It's a dream; we don't know exactly what he did or didn't have equipped prior to the shipwreck and being subjected to the rules of the dream.

What kind of rules would that even be? You get your sword and shield + clothes but not any of your other shit? Seems oddly specific. If the owl wants him to wake up the wind fish by getting him to defeat all the bosses then wouldnt Link being at his top condition from the start be advantageous? And he still doesnt have his previous equipment by the oracle games. Youre stretching a bit here. They didnt care.
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Its not really supposed to make sense really. Just take the game for what it is when playing through it.
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Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

How do you know Link didn't have gear prior to washing up on Toronbo? It's a dream; we don't know exactly what he did or didn't have equipped prior to the shipwreck and being subjected to the rules of the dream.

What kind of rules would that even be? You get your sword and shield + clothes but not any of your other shit? Seems oddly specific. If the owl wants him to wake up the wind fish by getting him to defeat all the bosses then wouldnt Link being at his top condition from the start be advantageous? And he still doesnt have his previous equipment by the oracle games. Youre stretching a bit here. They didnt care.

I suspect that if the Wind Fish had total control over the dream, Koholint wouldn't have Nightmares, or at least wouldn't have so many pits, monsters and obstacles scattered everywhere to hinder Link's progress. The dream is as much Link's as it is the Wind Fish's, which explains characters like Marin and Tarin as well as his starting equipment (which matches the standard tunic, sword and shield he starts with or acquires early on in the other games).

So link has some psychological attachment to starting over almost entirely at the start of an adventure? I guess that makes sense, but I still doubt thats what the devs were thinking.
And whats the excuse in oracle of ages? Why would the triforce make Link start over in Seasons? Wouldnt it be far more advantageous to have Link at his strongest to help? Even in a linked game you only start with a wooden sword for no reason.
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At least you got Marin for a brief period of time.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Zelda fans: the guys who put 1000x more thought into the story than the creators do

Well it's true. I think it's fun to speculate though.

Like, I've seen theory videos on BotW's various ruins found throughout Hyrule when I'm pretty sure the Zelda team just threw them in without much thought, even the seemingly "more important" ones.
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The Gods are bored and want to see if the Legendary Hero is still up to the task or if he has grown too dependent to his old tools.
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Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

CookieV3 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

How do you know Link didn't have gear prior to washing up on Toronbo? It's a dream; we don't know exactly what he did or didn't have equipped prior to the shipwreck and being subjected to the rules of the dream.

What kind of rules would that even be? You get your sword and shield + clothes but not any of your other shit? Seems oddly specific. If the owl wants him to wake up the wind fish by getting him to defeat all the bosses then wouldnt Link being at his top condition from the start be advantageous? And he still doesnt have his previous equipment by the oracle games. Youre stretching a bit here. They didnt care.

I suspect that if the Wind Fish had total control over the dream, Koholint wouldn't have Nightmares, or at least wouldn't have so many pits, monsters and obstacles scattered everywhere to hinder Link's progress. The dream is as much Link's as it is the Wind Fish's, which explains characters like Marin and Tarin as well as his starting equipment (which matches the standard tunic, sword and shield he starts with or acquires early on in the other games).

So link has some psychological attachment to starting over almost entirely at the start of an adventure? I guess that makes sense, but I still doubt thats what the devs were thinking.
And whats the excuse in oracle of ages? Why would the triforce make Link start over in Seasons? Wouldnt it be far more advantageous to have Link at his strongest to help? Even in a linked game you only start with a wooden sword for no reason.

Oracle of Ages starts the same way, but I mentioned Seasons because it's generally considered the first game chronologically between the two. I'm not sure why the Triforce would have Link start over except that perhaps it's testing him. That's what the intro would suggest, anyway. It definitely makes more sense than the notion that Link is just throwing his own stuff away and placing himself in greater danger.

I want to reiterate that most games use some separate incarnation of Link, spread across years and years, which explains why he "starts over" in many of them. The ones that feature the same Link as in the previous game, notably Majora's Mask, often have some other explanation. In Majora's Mask it's obviously a combination of time travel and Skull Kid.

I can believe that Link might not keep his stuff with him at all times if he thinks he's done being a hero and the games are spread apart by some years, but it makes little sense that he would go out to sea without his Flute. He also has to have some way of making it back to land for the Oracle games, and at the start we see a cutscene with him horseriding.

Yeah that makes sense. And I know that theres a clear reason in it being another Link for why you have to get old equipment again for every other case in the series. Its just that Im conditioned to accept the video game logic where the protag starts fresh on each new adventure with seemingly either no reason or a shitty reason. Like Mega Man or Metroid. It doesnt make sense for X to get rid of his armors after every game and make himself more vulnerable yet he does so anyway even when his fighting clearly isnt over yet.
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