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dartman
09/25/19 10:27:38 PM
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It seems worth discussing the prophet muhammad married Aisha when she was 9.
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_Matchabuu_
09/25/19 10:29:33 PM
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Can we not do this for the millionth useless time
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friendbuddypal
09/25/19 10:31:50 PM
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Stop applying your imperialistic western standards to ancient folx of color.

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brestugo
09/25/19 10:32:18 PM
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awesome999
09/25/19 10:43:21 PM
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Same thing happens in the book 'Lolita'
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EzeDoesIt
09/25/19 10:44:13 PM
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This has been debunked so many times. Youre repeating Middle Ages Crusader propaganda.
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BignutzisBack
09/25/19 10:44:53 PM
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R1masher
09/25/19 10:45:29 PM
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In his defense she looked 12
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dartman
09/25/19 10:45:51 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
I thought she was 12


Oh really? Muhammad married a 12 year old ? This changes everything and makes it ok
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BignutzisBack
09/25/19 10:46:40 PM
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dartman posted...
Oh really? Muhammad married a 12 year old ? This changes everything and makes it ok


Wut

Where did I say that?


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hockeybub89
09/25/19 10:46:55 PM
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So that's who those Catholic priests are trying to emulate.
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dartman
09/25/19 10:47:37 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So that's who those Catholic priests are trying to emulate.


Alien vs predator
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Tyranthraxus
09/25/19 10:47:52 PM
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"you guys should forget about slavery it was 200 years ago" ~ person who constantly brings up the fact that a guy married a 9 year old girl 1600 years ago.

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Cornmuffins
09/25/19 10:49:22 PM
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Whose alt
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dartman
09/25/19 10:50:00 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
"you guys should forget about slavery it was 200 years ago" ~ person who constantly brings up the fact that a guy married a 9 year old girl 1600 years ago.


why are you deflecting that Muhammed married and year old girl and we are supposed to be cool with it
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Hinakuluiau
09/25/19 10:52:22 PM
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First off, fuck religion in general. It's all a load of bs used by people in power to control others.

Second, Aisha is considered by Muhammad and Islam scholars to be pretty much his equal. Reducing her to that of a child forced to marry an adult takes away the reality of the situation.

Third, she may not even have been nine. She could have been a preteen or even a teenager. This would not be uncommon for even non-Muslims in history.

And last, who gives a shit? There are enough issues with Islam that to attack them over what her age is is missing the forest for the trees. Not to mention this is the millionth time we've talked about this.
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Gamerguymass
09/25/19 10:52:43 PM
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dartman posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
I thought she was 12


Oh really? Muhammad married a 12 year old ? This changes everything and makes it ok


It does for Christians when it comes to Mary.
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dartman
09/25/19 10:53:14 PM
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Gamerguymass posted...
dartman posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
I thought she was 12


Oh really? Muhammad married a 12 year old ? This changes everything and makes it ok


It does for Christians when it comes to Mary.


@Duncanwii
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Guide
09/25/19 10:55:40 PM
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dartman posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
"you guys should forget about slavery it was 200 years ago" ~ person who constantly brings up the fact that a guy married a 9 year old girl 1600 years ago.


why are you deflecting that Muhammed married and year old girl and we are supposed to be cool with it


Marriage at young ages was very normal back then, and for a lot of history. Why are you focusing on Muhammad specifically?
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Rika_Furude
09/25/19 10:56:05 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
First off, fuck religion in general. It's all a load of bs used by people in power to control others.

Second, Aisha is considered by Muhammad and Islam scholars to be pretty much his equal. Reducing her to that of a child forced to marry an adult takes away the reality of the situation.

Third, she may not even have been nine. She could have been a preteen or even a teenager. This would not be uncommon for even non-Muslims in history.

And last, who gives a shit? There are enough issues with Islam that to attack them over what her age is is missing the forest for the trees. Not to mention this is the millionth time we've talked about this.

Yikes
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Milkman5
09/25/19 10:56:07 PM
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dartman posted...
It seems worth discussing the prophet muhammad married Aisha when she was 9.


No. He married her when she was ~6. They consummated when she was 9.
According to Historians, at least



The majority of traditional sources state that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six , but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, according to Ibn Hisham,[32] when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.[33][34][35] This timeline has been challenged by a number of scholars in modern times.[36] Both Aisha and Sawda, his two wives, were given apartments adjoined to the Al-Masjid al-Nabawimosque.[37]


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_Matchabuu_
09/25/19 10:56:18 PM
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what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.
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09/25/19 10:56:43 PM
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NEW and EXCITING
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Rika_Furude
09/25/19 10:57:18 PM
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_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes
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Guide
09/25/19 10:57:41 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?
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Milkman5
09/25/19 10:58:04 PM
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In college, I was taught they got married when she was 6. That's what is in the textbooks and what is taught academically. It's also what shows up when you google it or look on Wikipedia.

I didn't realize that was contested?
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hockeybub89
09/25/19 10:58:47 PM
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God committed a global genocide

Maybe all religions are shit.
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awesome999
09/25/19 11:00:40 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Maybe all religions are shit.

Not mine -everyone
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apocalyptic_4
09/25/19 11:01:17 PM
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My manager talked to me about it she explained to me that love knows no bounds despite the prophet marrying a child. Told me and my coworker this last week.

yikes in my head It would take awhile to type out everything she said.
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Guide
09/25/19 11:01:48 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
In college, I was taught they got married when she was 6. That's what is in the textbooks and what is taught academically. It's also what shows up when you google it or look on Wikipedia.

I didn't realize that was contested?


That's not what Wikipedia's telling me, but I always knew it was vague and contested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Early_life
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EzeDoesIt
09/25/19 11:02:27 PM
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Guide posted...
dartman posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
"you guys should forget about slavery it was 200 years ago" ~ person who constantly brings up the fact that a guy married a 9 year old girl 1600 years ago.


why are you deflecting that Muhammed married and year old girl and we are supposed to be cool with it


Marriage at young ages was very normal back then, and for a lot of history. Why are you focusing on Muhammad specifically?


The nail in the coffin is that Muhammad was constantly maligned by his contemporary detractors but never once for this.

Her age is unknown and speculated to have been as large as 19, and as another user said she was considered Muhammads equal. She preached and was involved in the community as much as him.

She was also engaged prior to being engaged to Muhammad. There are lots of other indicators that she was significantly older than 9 as well.
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Rika_Furude
09/25/19 11:03:18 PM
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Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?

Because theres a lot of shit that happens in islam and their culture in general today that is indefencible
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dartman
09/25/19 11:03:50 PM
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_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.


Macha I agree 100% with you here this topic is in no way trying to spread ill will toward any group of people.
It's to question a religion that currently we are basically not allowed to criticize. Anyone can be of any faith.
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konokonohamaru
09/25/19 11:04:44 PM
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I thought it was married at 6 and consummated at 9
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Guide
09/25/19 11:05:14 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?

Because theres a lot of shit that happens in islam and their culture in general today that is horrific and not to be defended


So you think treating Muslim people like shit is a good thing?
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dartman
09/25/19 11:05:35 PM
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konokonohamaru posted...
I thought it was married at 6 and consummated at 9


That's even worse
Why do we defend this ? Why are we not allowed to criticize those who support this
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Guide
09/25/19 11:05:55 PM
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dartman posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.


Macha I agree 100% with you here this topic is in no way trying to spread ill will toward any group of people.
It's to question a religion that currently we are basically not allowed to criticize. Anyone can be of any faith.


The fuck do you mean not allowed to criticize? This nonsense is all over social media.
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Cornmuffins
09/25/19 11:06:28 PM
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You know exactly why you made this topic. It's not this "guys I'm just saying!" bs
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Milkman5
09/25/19 11:06:36 PM
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Guide posted...
That's not what Wikipedia's telling me, but I always knew it was vague and contested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Early_life


@Guide
Did you read that link?


Al-Tabari says she was nine at the time her marriage was consummated.[32]Sahih al-Bukhari's hadith says "that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."[33] Other sources differ on the age of marriage, but agree that the marriage was not consummated at the time of the marriage contract.[34] All biographical information on Muhammad and his companions was first recorded over a century after his death,[35] but the ahadith[36] and sra (traditional Islamic biographies of Muhammad) provide records of early Islam through an unbroken chain of transmission. Various ahadith stating that Aisha was either nine or ten at the time of her consummation come from collections with sahih status, meaning they are regarded as reputable by most Sunni Muslims.[33][37] Other traditional sources also mention Aisha's age. The sra of Ibn Ishaq edited by Ibn Hisham states that she was nine or ten years old at the consummation.[38] The historian al-Tabari also states that she was nine.


Every source says the same thing. That the consummation was at 9.

Back then, they would have sex after their first period. So he married her at 6 then had sex when she had her first period at 9.

I can't find a source that doesn't say this.
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Rika_Furude
09/25/19 11:07:01 PM
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Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?

Because theres a lot of shit that happens in islam and their culture in general today that is horrific and not to be defended


So you think treating Muslim people like shit is a good thing?

No. But their religion and culture does encourage a lot of things considered evil by western standards, such as their anti-lgbt beliefs. Its absolutely correct to put your foot down and not accept their culture.
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dartman
09/25/19 11:07:26 PM
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Guide posted...
dartman posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.


Macha I agree 100% with you here this topic is in no way trying to spread ill will toward any group of people.
It's to question a religion that currently we are basically not allowed to criticize. Anyone can be of any faith.


The fuck do you mean not allowed to criticize? This nonsense is all over social media.


Ya behind a screen
Go downtown Manhattan with a megaphone and start talking about how the Muslim prophet married a 6 year old and you'll get assaulted and probably charged with a hate crime
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Guide
09/25/19 11:07:36 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?

Because theres a lot of shit that happens in islam and their culture in general today that is horrific and not to be defended


So you think treating Muslim people like shit is a good thing?

No.


Neither does Matcha, in the post you decided was a "yikes".
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EzeDoesIt
09/25/19 11:07:37 PM
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dartman
09/25/19 11:08:12 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
You know exactly why you made this topic. It's not this "guys I'm just saying!" bs


If it is what the islamic faith is based on why cant we remind people
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Flockaveli
09/25/19 11:08:23 PM
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Why do Muslims get a pass for their homophobia?
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EzeDoesIt
09/25/19 11:08:50 PM
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Flockaveli posted...
Why do Muslims get a pass for their homophobia?


They dont
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Rika_Furude
09/25/19 11:08:59 PM
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Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Guide posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.

Yikes


Why is this a yikes?

Because theres a lot of shit that happens in islam and their culture in general today that is horrific and not to be defended


So you think treating Muslim people like shit is a good thing?

No.


Neither does Matcha, in the post you decided was a "yikes".

Edited the post with further deets
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hockeybub89
09/25/19 11:09:16 PM
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dartman posted...
Cornmuffins posted...
You know exactly why you made this topic. It's not this "guys I'm just saying!" bs


If it is what the islamic faith is based on why cant we remind people

The Islamic faith is based on marrying 9 year olds?
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Guide
09/25/19 11:09:29 PM
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dartman posted...
Guide posted...
dartman posted...
_Matchabuu_ posted...
what people did in the past (in this case, possibly didnt do tbf) is not an excuse to treat Muslim people like shit. I cannot and will not stand for that crap, sorry.


Macha I agree 100% with you here this topic is in no way trying to spread ill will toward any group of people.
It's to question a religion that currently we are basically not allowed to criticize. Anyone can be of any faith.


The fuck do you mean not allowed to criticize? This nonsense is all over social media.


Ya behind a screen
Go downtown Manhattan with a megaphone and start talking about how the Muslim prophet married a 6 year old and you'll get assaulted and probably charged with a hate crime


Go to x and talk about <inflammatory subject> and you're doing something stupid and potentially dangerous, yeah. I wouldn't go to Alabama with a megaphone and talk about how the confederate flag is bad, cause I'll get shot.
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dartman
09/25/19 11:10:35 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
dartman posted...
Cornmuffins posted...
You know exactly why you made this topic. It's not this "guys I'm just saying!" bs


If it is what the islamic faith is based on why cant we remind people

The Islamic faith is based on marrying 9 year olds?


It's based largely around the prophet Muhammad who we arent even allowed to draw a picture of without the threat of violence
We surely should discuss who Muhammad was as a person and what he did
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