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Stagmar
09/19/19 12:37:32 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
I think the funniest thing is that Scheer already destroyed any attack he could possibly have when he excused his own candidates.

I'll be surprised if Scheer doesn't attack anyway.
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Bio1590
09/19/19 1:03:01 AM
#103:


Stagmar posted...
Bio1590 posted...
I think the funniest thing is that Scheer already destroyed any attack he could possibly have when he excused his own candidates.

I'll be surprised if Scheer doesn't attack anyway.

I mean I wouldn't be either but all you have to do is use his own words against him lol.

CrimsonRage posted...
__aCEr__ posted...
Bio1590 posted...
How did this not come up during the 2015 election or when he originally ran for a seat in 2008 or during the 2011 election or when he ran for the Liberal Leadership position in 2013

Yeah you really need to do a better job selecting your "dig up dirt" team if they miss things that are right there in a yearbook.


they probably didn't think it mattered until now. now someone with a grudge went and dug it up because that's the world we live in now, i guess.

Apparently none of the Canadian outlets wanted to publish it because of some kind of gentleman's agreement so that's why we got this from Time.
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Sir Will
09/19/19 1:08:23 AM
#104:


Bio1590 posted...
Apparently none of the Canadian outlets wanted to publish it because of some kind of gentleman's agreement so that's why we got this from Time.

Where'd you see that claim?
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Doom_Art
09/19/19 1:08:57 AM
#105:


Bio1590 posted...
Apparently none of the Canadian outlets wanted to publish it because of some kind of gentleman's agreement so that's why we got this from Time.
The gentleman's agreement is mostly "Don't dig for personal scandals"

Which I like. Cuts down on ratfucking from conservatives

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muchdran
09/19/19 1:12:24 AM
#106:


Sir Will posted...
I am extremely disappointed he'd be stupid enough to do this.

And scared it's going to hurt him and the party. It won't change how I vote. It was 18 years ago and I don't believe he is an inherently racist person. Whereas I know Scheer is a homophobic person and more. I will be curious how he responds to this and that could change things more.

What he did is not ok.
You don't care about racism?
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Doom_Art
09/19/19 1:13:14 AM
#107:


muchdran posted...
You don't care about racism?
What racism

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SauI_Goodman
09/19/19 1:29:29 AM
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Can't this be viewed as a tribute since it was at an Indian themed party? I'd be more offended if he showed up as a white guy.
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pls
09/19/19 1:32:09 AM
#110:


Lmao at Doom Art shilling this hard for Trudeau

Your boy fucked up, fam


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Rob Cesternino
09/19/19 2:06:50 AM
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eMlSiNm

it's fucking insane how indian chads keep stealing our white women

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DeadBankerDream
09/19/19 2:08:41 AM
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Oh my god, he went full Peter Sellers
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NinjaBreakfast
09/19/19 4:47:27 AM
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Seems bad imo
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Big_Gold
09/19/19 5:13:57 AM
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Fuck Justin Trudeau. This was 2001, he can't claim he didn't know this was offensive.

The whole 'it was a different time' line has always been bullshit anyway, people know the difference between right and wrong. Just because more people accepted this kind of behavior in the past doesn't mean it was right.
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Veggeta_MAX
09/19/19 9:18:01 AM
#116:


This same topic I made on LL is at 110 posts and most people are saying similar things ITT. Things like "Oh he's a Dem so he'll get a pass" or "No one gives a shit". But they also made this:

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LadyVyxx
09/19/19 9:41:23 AM
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He was 29 years old at the time
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PlsGodDontBanMe
09/19/19 9:43:17 AM
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pls posted...
Lmao at Doom Art shilling this hard for Trudeau

Your boy fucked up, fam


This. You know hed be screaming bloody murder if it was a conservative.

Just admit this looks really bad for him dude, he fucked up. Stop being a partisan hack

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Sir Will
09/19/19 10:55:01 AM
#122:


https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1174683741236748288

Things are going to get very ugly.
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BeyondWalls
09/19/19 10:56:36 AM
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Me: "How bad can it be... oh shit."
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Doom_Art
09/19/19 11:03:00 AM
#124:


Sir Will posted...
https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1174683741236748288

Things are going to get very ugly.
I like how every time the Tories think they have the Liberals checkmated something comes out that makes them look 10x worse lol

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BignutzisBack
09/19/19 11:06:29 AM
#126:


shockthemonkey posted...
Isnt there some weird as fuck tradition with blackface Christmas elves? Not like as an excuse, but like as a they fucking do that stupid shit every year, how can they be mad at Trudeau?


"Those are depictions of Dutch Xmas character, Zwarte Piet. Liberal MLA Joachim Stroink in NS had to defend pics of himself dressed up similarly."

Some guy in the comments

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Sir Will
09/19/19 11:07:22 AM
#127:


Doom_Art posted...
Sir Will posted...
https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1174683741236748288

Things are going to get very ugly.
I like how every time the Tories think they have the Liberals checkmated something comes out that makes them look 10x worse lol

Won't get the same news coverage though. And not the party leader. But, yeah, this is obviously still an all too common problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/d6ek6l/ed_the_sock_ok_you_want_to_play_this_game_lets/

Somebody said it might be this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

Which is at least a cultural thing, though somewhat problematic. I don't know where the pictures were taken.
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legendary_zell
09/19/19 11:16:00 AM
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This was in 2001. He was older than I am now. It must have taken quite a while to put all of that on his face and hands. During that whole time, he never thought "this is a bad look"? Apparently not, because he's cheesing for the camera like it's such a cool thing.

The thing that gets me is that it takes no effort at all not to do brownface or blackface. He could have just worn a costume. The brownface isn't really even adding anything, other than creepiness. It actually takes significantly more effort to do it. So why do people feel this compulsion to wear any face?

Is it because skin color is extremely important to them and so they feel costumes are incomplete without it? Can't dress up as a black guy without black skin?
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BeyondWalls
09/19/19 11:17:46 AM
#130:


Sir Will posted...
Somebody said it might be this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

Zwarte Piet (pronounced [zrt pit]; English: Black Pete or Black Peter, Luxembourgish: Schwaarze Piter, Indonesian: Pit Hitam) is the companion of Saint Nicholas (Dutch: Sinterklaas, Luxembourgish: Kleeschen, Indonesian: Sinterklas) in the folklore of the Low Countries. The character first appeared in an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman. Traditionally, Zwarte Piet is black because he is a Moor from Spain.[1] Those portraying Zwarte Piet usually put on blackface make-up and colourful Renaissance attire, in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick. In recent years, the character has become the subject of controversy.

So... not an excuse? "Hey guys, I was only dressing up in black face because it was a traditional black face character!"
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Goats
09/19/19 11:18:25 AM
#131:


Welp looks like we're getting an environment-hating homophobic Trump stooge as prime minister. Thanks a lot Trudeau
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LadyVyxx
09/19/19 11:19:17 AM
#133:


Goats posted...
Welp looks like we're getting an environment-hating homophobic Trump stooge as prime minister. Thanks a lot Trudeau


Knowing now that Goats is canadian like myself I feel even better about October 21
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Sir Will
09/19/19 11:23:57 AM
#134:


Goats posted...
Welp looks like we're getting an environment-hating homophobic Trump stooge as prime minister. Thanks a lot Trudeau

I really hope they can recover, or at least keep it to a Conservative minority. I don't want social conservatives in charge, or slide back from what little environment progress we've made, or pay for his tax breaks disproportionally targeting the well off.
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s0nicfan
09/19/19 11:24:01 AM
#135:


Powdered_Toast posted...
lmao, did he just admit to wearing blackface in high school and singing Day O?


That's actually from a different picture that I guess he was getting ahead of? He did brownface for Aladdin when he was 30. He did blackface and sang Jamaican work songs when he was late teens:
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The Admiral
09/19/19 11:27:59 AM
#136:


It's a costume for a theme party. Not a fan of Trudeau at all, but this is a complete non-issue.

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Hornezz
09/19/19 11:28:05 AM
#137:


Sir Will posted...
https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1174683741236748288

Things are going to get very ugly.


Damn, I can't believe he's insulting my Dutch culture like this.

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XXmiznatorXX
09/19/19 11:29:51 AM
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ok one time I can see, but THREE SEPARATE TIMES!!?

Dude has a black racist obsession. Needs to go!
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Ivynn
09/19/19 11:30:55 AM
#139:


legendary_zell posted...
This was in 2001. He was older than I am now. It must have taken quite a while to put all of that on his face and hands. During that whole time, he never thought "this is a bad look"? Apparently not, because he's cheesing for the camera like it's such a cool thing.

The thing that gets me is that it takes no effort at all not to do brownface or blackface. He could have just worn a costume. The brownface isn't really even adding anything, other than creepiness. It actually takes significantly more effort to do it. So why do people feel this compulsion to wear any face?

Is it because skin color is extremely important to them and so they feel costumes are incomplete without it? Can't dress up as a black guy without black skin?


Hmm....the cynical part of me feels like he thought he could get away with it because he was portraying an Indian, not a black person. Back in 2001, only racism against black people got you in trouble. It's only recently people started paying attention to racism towards other races. >_>
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chrono625
09/19/19 11:31:17 AM
#140:


Doom_Art posted...
conservatives are shit at pretending to be PC about stuff lol


Here's the thing.

It's a shit thing to do, it's a shit move.

But what I've seen is that, when a target of this comes up and it's a conservative or Republican. They're getting raked through the coals and people want their careers over.

That's fine if that's the precedent that people want to set.

The issue is when the shoe is on the other foot, it becomes hypocrisy and I cannot stand hypocrisy.

If you're going to destroy one person's life, you best be sure to maintain that standard to everyone. Even if it's someone you side with.

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chrono625
09/19/19 11:35:58 AM
#142:


shockthemonkey posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/16/lengthy-history-white-politicians-who-wore-blackface-got-pass/

Heres the thing: almost no one has had their life or career destroyed by repercussions of blackface.


I'm talking about people in general. Not just politicians. You can be right leaning and not be a politician. And that's a sick deflection to my actual point.

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Bio1590
09/19/19 11:37:02 AM
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Vote in Jagmeet Singh so we tie India in number of Sikh Prime Ministers.
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legendary_zell
09/19/19 11:40:13 AM
#145:


Ivynn posted...
legendary_zell posted...
This was in 2001. He was older than I am now. It must have taken quite a while to put all of that on his face and hands. During that whole time, he never thought "this is a bad look"? Apparently not, because he's cheesing for the camera like it's such a cool thing.

The thing that gets me is that it takes no effort at all not to do brownface or blackface. He could have just worn a costume. The brownface isn't really even adding anything, other than creepiness. It actually takes significantly more effort to do it. So why do people feel this compulsion to wear any face?

Is it because skin color is extremely important to them and so they feel costumes are incomplete without it? Can't dress up as a black guy without black skin?


Hmm....the cynical part of me feels like he thought he could get away with it because he was portraying an Indian, not a black person. Back in 2001, only racism against black people got you in trouble. It's only recently people started paying attention to racism towards other races. >_>


That probably has something to do with it. But at the same time, my perception is that the South Asian community is a much bigger player in Canada than it is here, so brownface is a worse idea there than here.

I don't think liberals and the left should outsmart ourselves here though. This is a really dumb thing he did, but there doesn't appear to be malicious intent. It's different when someone has an independent history of racism or when something about the context indicates mockery. What Northam did is significantly worse than this..

But also, don't get yourself a right wing government that dismantles protections for the poor, women, minority groups, regulations, and environmental protections because this guy painted his face. That's when being woke takes you back around to effectively hurting people.
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LadyVyxx
09/19/19 11:50:43 AM
#147:


Bio1590 posted...
Vote in Jagmeet Singh so we tie India in number of Sikh Prime Ministers.


The NDP ruined Ontario already you really want to burn down the entire country?
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MuayThai85
09/19/19 11:53:08 AM
#148:


BeyondWalls posted...
So... not an excuse? "Hey guys, I was only dressing up in black face because it was a traditional black face character!"


Black Pete isn't blackface if I remember correctly. It's supposed to represent soot from a chimney.

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Doom_Art
09/19/19 11:58:47 AM
#149:


LadyVyxx posted...
The NDP ruined Ontario already you really want to burn down the entire country?
How did the NDP ruin Ontario @LadyVyxx

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Sir Will
09/19/19 12:00:18 PM
#150:


LadyVyxx posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Vote in Jagmeet Singh so we tie India in number of Sikh Prime Ministers.


The NDP ruined Ontario already you really want to burn down the entire country?

They didn't ruin Ontario, that's a provincial party, and that was 20 years ago. They have Ford now....
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Bio1590
09/19/19 12:00:40 PM
#151:


LadyVyxx posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Vote in Jagmeet Singh so we tie India in number of Sikh Prime Ministers.


The NDP ruined Ontario already you really want to burn down the entire country?

lmao when did the NDP "ruin" Ontario

E: lol 2010 account with 85 karma
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