Current Events > Nurses get paid a lot

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I should have been one.
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They do? Please tell me where they pay us a lot so I can quit my current job
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Nurses deserve to be paid as much as doctors. The fact that they aren't is one of the major sexisms fueling the wage gap.
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Not really, man.
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friendbuddypal posted...

Nurses deserve to be paid as much as doctors. The fact that they aren't is one of the major sexisms fueling the wage gap.

What's your opinion on CNA's then?
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The first few years post school you make nothing unless you luck into something besides pre natal. Seriously pre natal nurses make table scraps.

My friend graduated three years ago and literally just a few weeks ago got a job that will net her a decent living.

Before that she was living paycheque to paycheque and barely scraping with roommates.
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friendbuddypal posted...

Nurses deserve to be paid as much as doctors. The fact that they aren't is one of the major sexisms fueling the wage gap.

Enjoy getting murked by your insurance company. The cash has to come from somewhere.

I wouldn't say it's reasonable to compensate nurses as much as physicians, but yes, I do agree that a lot of the disparity and disrespect is deeply rooted in sexism.

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass

Thought about being a nurse at one point, but I hear how stressful it is not to mention med school and all that, so I should go into some sort of electrician type trade like maybe fix copy/printer machines.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

I wouldn't say it's reasonable to compensate nurses as much as physicians, but yes, I do agree that a lot of the disparity and disrespect is deeply rooted in sexism.

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass

No field is exempt from the culture you live in
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

They do? Please tell me where they pay us a lot so I can quit my current job

They also get reasonable hours, and only work with, The Best, of society.

At least though, you're all trying to do something reasonable positive for society. Funny world.
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Na, nurses shouldn't get paid nearly as much as doctors. Infact, proportionately speaking, doctors should get paid alot more considering how much nurses get paid.

_Matchabuu_ posted...

They do? Please tell me where they pay us a lot so I can quit my current job

Depends on where you live. In NYC, floor nurses can make 90k without overtime in private hospital settings. I make 130k as an NP.

friendbuddypal posted...

Nurses deserve to be paid as much as doctors. The fact that they aren't is one of the major sexisms fueling the wage gap.

Nurses arent female only bruh...
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Nurses get fringe benefits such as impromptu sex from patients and doctors. I've seen enough porns to know this is true.
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TC is a fellow teacher that makes like 20k a year. I think he knows about sexist low wage overworked professions.
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biggernails posted...

_Matchabuu_ posted...

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass

Thought about being a nurse at one point, but I hear how stressful it is not to mention med school and all that, so I should go into some sort of electrician type trade like maybe fix copy/printer machines.

Nurses don't go to med school.

_Matchabuu_ posted...

I wouldn't say it's reasonable to compensate nurses as much as physicians, but yes, I do agree that a lot of the disparity and disrespect is deeply rooted in sexism.

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass

Yeah it's definitely not the astronomical knowledge and training gap. More than half of med students are female these days. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Go count some I/O's.

Nurses can get paid a lot depending on how far they go with their education. You go for the bar minimum you ain't getting paid shit.

Lyrica posted...

Nurses don't go to med school.

oh. well having a bunch of suffering/sick/death-bound people around me wouldn't go good with my psyche anyway, especially if they're wailing or moaning
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Hummer 2 posted...

_Matchabuu_ posted...

I wouldn't say it's reasonable to compensate nurses as much as physicians, but yes, I do agree that a lot of the disparity and disrespect is deeply rooted in sexism.

Wish I'd gone into engineering, honestly this field sucks ass

Yeah it's definitely not the astronomical knowledge and training gap. More than half of med students are female these days. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Go count some I/O's.

"Go count some I/O's"

It's funny how you try to belittle nurses when healthcare wouldn't even run if nurses weren't around. Nurses, including nursing accessory staff, are the backbone of healthcare.

The patient is the backbone of healthcare.

Hummer 2 posted...

The patient is the backbone of healthcare.

I think patients being the life blood is more apt.
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Abiz_ posted...

Nurses can get paid a lot depending on how far they go with their education. You go for the bar minimum you ain't getting paid shit.

Problem is that even if you get the full four year RPN go around, you aren't guaranteed money until you pick up the pace with additional training or promotions.

I feel bad for a lot of friends and acquaintances that became nurses because they're all miserable and making nothing.

Schools need to stop telling people that nursing is a get rich quick job because it really isn't. Doc and Dentist, yeah, nursing not so much unless you're some prodigy that they stick in ER right away.
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Lyrica posted...

Nurses don't go to med school.

oh. well having a bunch of suffering/sick/death-bound people around me wouldn't go good with my psyche anyway, especially if they're wailing or moaning

Not all nurses work with patients. Forensic and legal nursing, nursing informatics, consultation work (varies), nursing management, etc, are all areas that either don't directly deal with patients at all or have very little patient contact.

Lyrica posted...

biggernails posted...

Lyrica posted...

Nurses don't go to med school.

oh. well having a bunch of suffering/sick/death-bound people around me wouldn't go good with my psyche anyway, especially if they're wailing or moaning

Not all nurses work with patients. Forensic and legal nursing, nursing informatics, consultation work (varies), nursing management, etc, are all areas that either don't directly deal with patients at all or have very little patient contact.

well even then, I probably wouldn't be very good at it. I could have gone into X-ray technician though I suppose
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electricbugs2 posted...

Abiz_ posted...

Nurses can get paid a lot depending on how far they go with their education. You go for the bar minimum you ain't getting paid shit.

Problem is that even if you get the full four year RPN go around, you aren't guaranteed money until you pick up the pace with additional training or promotions.

I feel bad for a lot of friends and acquaintances that became nurses because they're all miserable and making nothing.

Schools need to stop telling people that nursing is a get rich quick job because it really isn't. Doc and Dentist, yeah, nursing not so much unless you're some prodigy that they stick in ER right away.

Except you can make money quickly in nursing. There are 2 year RN programs. Once you start working, you will make as much (or almost as much) as a nurse with a bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, becoming a doctor requires 4 years of college + med school + residency. A doctor earns the title of doctor after med school but residency is where they get their in-depth specialization training.

Lyrica posted...

_Matchabuu_ posted...

They do? Please tell me where they pay us a lot so I can quit my current job

Depends on where you live. In NYC, floor nurses can make 90k without overtime in private hospital settings. I make 130k as an NP.

COL sucks in New York. Can't wait to become a nurse practitioner tho

And I'm sorry, too busy keeping some of these people alive to "go count I/Os".

No idea what planet some of you people live on, but it's one very detached from the reality of healthcare.

I didn't go to school for years to be treated like an idiot; anyway, isn't it better and more productive to YOU, the physician, to actually educate the nurses so you don't get dumb fuck calls at 2am because they aren't knowledgeable about what does or does not necessitate concern? Idk man I'm pretty sure I'd want nurses to know what they were doing with my patient if I thought they were bumbling idiots.

Being a physician doesn't give you an excuse to be an asshole, contrary to popular belief.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

They do? Please tell me where they pay us a lot so I can quit my current job

Infusion Nurses. I occasionally see the pay stubs of nurses at my job and holy balls. I was considering a career change >.>
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doctors and nurses get paid way too much
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I can speak on this topic probably better than most. I'm a doctor, my wife is a nurse. Nursing school is a joke. You can literally get by without knowing shit and get your nursing degree. To get your RN, most classes aren't even medical related, half the work you do is just social work stuff and the social side of medicine, having almost nothing to do with actual treatments and diagnosis. In med school, not only is the degree of difficulty of classes exponentially harder, but you have to go through several board exams, then get into residency, then more board exams before you practice.

Nurses are good at their job, which is executing orders. Through seeing and doing, they can catch on to alot of things like diagnosis and treatment. But at the end of the day, they don't understand the depth of problems beyond a superficial level. Even as a first year resident, after about 6 months or so, I knew more than nurses that had 20+ years of experience under their belts. As a 2nd and 3rd year resident, I'd go to rapid responses with the RRT nurse, who is critical care trained and one of the better nurses, and they'd still be dead wrong with alot of their assessments and try to argue with me about things.

Yea healthcare wouldnt run without nurses. But the hospital also wouldn't run without the janitor and cleaning services.

And IMO, Nurse Practitioner is just a dangerous profession. Anyone who sees one, I would tell them to go see a real doctor.

And all of this that I just said, my wife would agree 100%. We've had several conversations about it.

choo choo

that nurse h8 train just arrived
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Lyrica posted...

Except you can make money quickly in nursing. There are 2 year RN programs. Once you start working, you will make as much (or almost as much) as a nurse with a bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, becoming a doctor requires 4 years of college + med school + residency. A doctor earns the title of doctor after med school but residency is where they get their in-depth specialization training.

One of my best friends from high school has been a full RPN for three years now. They stuck her in prenatal so she made about 45K ish a year. Only just a few weeks/months back did she get an ER job on the mainland

In BC, that is absolute chump change. She was struggling to make ends man and lived in a hovel with roommates who were also struggling nurses.

Maybe the States in different, but I've met friends who were happier studying to be a nurse than actually being a nurse, and the local Uni is no cakewalk.
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DanHaren2019 posted...

I can speak on this topic probably better than most. I'm a doctor, my wife is a nurse. Nursing school is a joke. You can literally get by without knowing shit and get your nursing degree. To get your RN, most classes aren't even medical related, half the work you do is just social work stuff and the social side of medicine, having almost nothing to do with actual treatments and diagnosis. In med school, not only is the degree of difficulty of classes exponentially harder, but you have to go through several board exams, then get into residency, then more board exams before you practice.

Nurses are good at their job, which is executing orders. Through seeing and doing, they can catch on to alot of things like diagnosis and treatment. But at the end of the day, they don't understand the depth of problems beyond a superficial level. Even as a first year resident, after about 6 months or so, I knew more than nurses that had 20+ years of experience under their belts. As a 2nd and 3rd year resident, I'd go to rapid responses with the RRT nurse, who is critical care trained and one of the better nurses, and they'd still be dead wrong with alot of their assessments and try to argue with me about things.

Yea healthcare wouldnt run without nurses. But the hospital also wouldn't run without the janitor and cleaning services.

Executing orders? You clearly don't understand the role of a nurse if you think carrying out orders is a nurse's main job. Carrying out orders is only a small part of what a nurse does. Nurses apply their own nursing diagnoses and care plans and provide restorative care based on that. They don't just follow whatever the doctor orders and that's that. There's a reason why patients don't even remember the names of their doctors but can tell you who their nurse is right away. And I doubt a PGY1 knows more than a nurse that has been working for 20+ years but I'll let you believe that.

electricbugs2 posted...

Lyrica posted...

Except you can make money quickly in nursing. There are 2 year RN programs. Once you start working, you will make as much (or almost as much) as a nurse with a bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, becoming a doctor requires 4 years of college + med school + residency. A doctor earns the title of doctor after med school but residency is where they get their in-depth specialization training.

One of my best friends from high school has been a full RPN for three years now. They stuck her in prenatal so she made about 45K ish a year. Only just a few weeks/months back did she get an ER job on the mainland

In BC, that is absolute chump change. She was struggling to make ends man and lived in a hovel with roommates who were also struggling nurses.

Maybe the States in different, but I've met friends who were happier studying to be a nurse than actually being a nurse, and the local Uni is no cakewalk.

Yeah, nurses make more in the states. But it is also very state dependent. Nurses earn far more in NY and Cali than any other state. I'm not sure about outside of the U.S.

Most PGY1s know more than NPs by December.

Most nurses don't need to know a damned thing, and their pay-rate reflects that.

When I was super sick, I dealt with dozens of doctors and nurses, and most nurses didn't have even an elementary knowledge of medicine or sickness. I learned that while casually chatting with them in the hundreds of hours I was in the hospital. They are trained in a few basic medical tasks and that's it.

As far as sexism goes, like, half my doctors were female, so...yeah.

Most nurses are female, but there are plenty of 'grunt' professions for men, too. Like road-teams who work for the department of transportation. That's a good nurse equivalency for men.

Also, there's degrees of nurses, just so you know. The ones who are actually good and knowledgable DO make more money. And you can tell why once you've dealt with a couple dozen nurses. When the 'nurse captain' comes in, things get solved.
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friendbuddypal posted...

Nurses deserve to be paid as much as doctors. The fact that they aren't is one of the major sexisms fueling the wage gap.

Sure, just make the years of education required and the amount of tuition the same and I'd see no problem with this.
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Lyrica posted...

There's a reason why patients don't even remember the names of their doctors but can tell you who their nurse is right away. And I doubt a PGY1 knows more than a nurse that has been working for 20+ years but I'll let you believe that.

The reason is because the nurse spends so much time with the patient. I have alot of respect for nurses, they do alot to calm patients and their families and diffuse thse situations before they explode. Its physically demanding too. But nurses don't make any important decisions on their own. I mean for small stuff that requires minimal training maybe like wound dressings and whatnot.

Also, yea PGY1 most definitely knows more than a 20+ year working nurse. It just may take a few months for them to catch onto the basic. At that point they most definitely do.

DanHaren2019 posted...

Lyrica posted...

There's a reason why patients don't even remember the names of their doctors but can tell you who their nurse is right away. And I doubt a PGY1 knows more than a nurse that has been working for 20+ years but I'll let you believe that.

The reason is because the nurse spends so much time with the patient. I have alot of respect for nurses, they do alot to calm patients and their families and diffuse thse situations before they explode. Its physically demanding too. But nurses don't make any important decisions on their own. I mean for small stuff that requires minimal training maybe like wound dressings and whatnot.

Also, yea PGY1 most definitely knows more than a 20+ year working nurse. It just may take a few months for them to catch onto the basic. At that point they most definitely do.

Nurses make important decisions every single day. They are constantly triaging, prioritizing, managing care with very little resources given to them, etc. You obviously don't function as one to know everything a nurse does and how decision-making is part of their duties every single day. I don't function as a floor nurse anymore. I'm an NP, but even my job does not compare to what they do. But let's just agree to disagree, because I don't see us seeing eye to eye on this.

I dont agree to disagree because youre wrong. What are some examples of important decisions nurses make unilaterally

Lyrica posted...

Nurses make important decisions every single day. They are constantly triaging, prioritizing, managing care with very little resources given to them, etc. You obviously don't function as one to know everything a nurse does and how decision-making is part of their duties every single day. I don't function as a floor nurse anymore. I'm an NP, but even my job does not compare to what they do. But let's just agree to disagree, because I don't see us seeing eye to eye on this.

Don't bother with the fake doctor.

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As someone who works in dietetics/nutrition and has a girlfriend who's a pharmacist - I don't get where this whole "nurses are hated" thing comes from? Nurses get paid extremely well for only requiring a two year program, they have amazing benefits -- and yet they're still always struggling with staffing whenever I attend safety huddles, like nobody wants to work and feels entitled. I see it even in my own department in healthcare.

Nurses also have the same god-complex attitude physicians have - but with a third of the education. Nurses have literally filed risk reports on my coworkers when they're clearly in the wrong, and sorely upset highly specialized dietitians in the process - when my department literally works directly with the dietitians and knows their protocol. They act as though they know everything, when they're required to just know "enough" about everything to get by in their role. I've had so many nurses argue with me about shit where they're clearly wrong -- sometimes they flat out refuse to follow our protocol.
Then my mind is totally blown when I'm doing calorie counts and I see the grammatical errors and misspellings nurses can commit; I think anyone with a degree should be able to have some basic knowledge of English. But -- I guess I've seen doctors do the same, so that's just an issue I have with healthcare in general.
Then nurses receive constant praise. They have multiple nursing months/days/whatever. They have strong unions. They get events and stuff in their honor constantly.

That isn't to say their job isn't important, and that there aren't good nurses.
But I can't stand when people pretend nurses aren't beloved. They're the faces of healthcare.

Im not sure why people think all nurses are some podunk associates degree dumbasses.

Like ... in order for your hospital to be Magnet your nurses (a certain number) HAVE to have their BSN.
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_Matchabuu_ posted...

Im not sure why people think all nurses are some podunk associates degree dumbasses.

Like ... in order for your hospital to be Magnet your nurses (a certain number) HAVE to have their BSN.

I would never associate having any level of education with being a "dumbass."
I'm really insulted if you're insinuating that my post implies that.

Associates? Bachelors?
Either way they're making more than people who have either, so it's a moot point in regards to my post.

Nurses just hand out pills

CNAs should get paid more since they're the ones doing the literal shit work
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DanHaren2019 posted...

I can speak on this topic probably better than most. I'm a doctor, my wife is a nurse. Nursing school is a joke. You can literally get by without knowing shit and get your nursing degree. To get your RN, most classes aren't even medical related, half the work you do is just social work stuff and the social side of medicine, having almost nothing to do with actual treatments and diagnosis. In med school, not only is the degree of difficulty of classes exponentially harder, but you have to go through several board exams, then get into residency, then more board exams before you practice.

Nurses are good at their job, which is executing orders. Through seeing and doing, they can catch on to alot of things like diagnosis and treatment. But at the end of the day, they don't understand the depth of problems beyond a superficial level. Even as a first year resident, after about 6 months or so, I knew more than nurses that had 20+ years of experience under their belts. As a 2nd and 3rd year resident, I'd go to rapid responses with the RRT nurse, who is critical care trained and one of the better nurses, and they'd still be dead wrong with alot of their assessments and try to argue with me about things.

Yea healthcare wouldnt run without nurses. But the hospital also wouldn't run without the janitor and cleaning services.

And IMO, Nurse Practitioner is just a dangerous profession. Anyone who sees one, I would tell them to go see a real doctor.

And all of this that I just said, my wife would agree 100%. We've had several conversations about it.

CRNA > family physician ;]