Sony Spider-man negotiations

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MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 2:37:30 PM #102:	CountDog posted... Sony has spent a lot of time and money developing there Hollywood game, there not about to fool around with one of there top dollar ticket items. You know it's posts like these (that I literally don't see anywhere else on the internet) that just cements the fact people here are shilling Sony because they love their PS4s. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926363195] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>Sony has spent a lot of time and money developing there Hollywood game, there not about to fool around with one of there top dollar ticket items.</quote> You know it's posts like these (that I literally don't see anywhere else on the internet) that just cements the fact people here are shilling Sony because they love their PS4s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 08/21/19 2:59:43 PM #103:	Sony mostly releases crap after crap and refuse to learn, their Spider-Man movies just got worse and worse. Then Disney came to the rescue. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:926364197] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Sony mostly releases crap after crap and refuse to learn, their Spider-Man movies just got worse and worse. Then Disney came to the rescue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 08/21/19 4:21:57 PM #105:	LockeMonster posted... It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights. Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:926367842] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>LockeMonster posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights.</quote> Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 4:32:38 PM #106:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range. Money from the movie is chump change. Most of the money is made from Merchandise. There's no way Sony benefits from this deal unless Disney decides to do the same 50/50 split with merchandise. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926368262] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range.</quote> Money from the movie is chump change. Most of the money is made from Merchandise. There's no way Sony benefits from this deal unless Disney decides to do the same 50/50 split with merchandise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 08/21/19 4:40:22 PM #107:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull s* again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some s* man. You're better than that usually. The existing rights were artistically better for everyone as is. Sony could get guidance on MCU movies. Sony could make animated passion projects like Into the Spider-Verse without input from Disney. They could also make their silly spin-offs if they wanted. Everyone working on these properties were happy. The only people who weren't happy were Kevin Feige's bosses. And on the flip side of that, Sony made it incredibly transparent with their Spidey related side projects that they were trying to build up their own successful cinematic universe so they could eventually take Spidey out of Marvel's hands. I'm assuming part of the reason Disney is now asking for full creative control is because they caught onto this. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:926368583] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull s* again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some s* man. You're better than that usually.</quote> The existing rights were artistically better for everyone as is. Sony could get guidance on MCU movies. Sony could make animated passion projects like Into the Spider-Verse without input from Disney. They could also make their silly spin-offs if they wanted. Everyone working on these properties were happy. The only people who weren't happy were Kevin Feige's bosses.</quote> And on the flip side of that, Sony made it incredibly transparent with their Spidey related side projects that they were trying to build up their own successful cinematic universe so they could eventually take Spidey out of Marvel's hands. I'm assuming part of the reason Disney is now asking for full creative control is because they caught onto this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 5:01:55 PM #108:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Sony contributes absolutely nothing and has the nerve to ask for more. They want to continue the existing deal. CountDog posted... Sony has spent a lot of time and money developing there Hollywood game, there not about to fool around with one of there top dollar ticket items. It's their biggest franchise. Of course they're going to be protective of it. Disney have a habit of sabotaging the shit they don't completely own. They banned X-Men and the Fantastic Four from video games and toys in an attempt to make them less relevant until they could buy Fox. They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service. This is just the shit they do with Marvel. They're far more aggressive elsewhere. Even if Sony agreed to this deal I doubt it would satisfy Disney in the long run. Disney would absolutely starve the beast if it meant getting the rights back in the long term. It seems like Reddit is gradually turning against Disney in this as more and more people find out the details of the deal. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926369487] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Sony contributes absolutely nothing and has the nerve to ask for more. </quote> They want to continue the existing deal. CountDog posted...</cite> <quote>Sony has spent a lot of time and money developing there Hollywood game, there not about to fool around with one of there top dollar ticket items.</quote> It's their biggest franchise. Of course they're going to be protective of it. Disney have a habit of sabotaging the shit they don't completely own. They banned X-Men and the Fantastic Four from video games and toys in an attempt to make them less relevant until they could buy Fox. They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service. This is just the shit they do with Marvel. They're far more aggressive elsewhere. Even if Sony agreed to this deal I doubt it would satisfy Disney in the long run. Disney would absolutely starve the beast if it meant getting the rights back in the long term. It seems like Reddit is gradually turning against Disney in this as more and more people find out the details of the deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 08/21/19 5:10:20 PM #109:	Tyranthraxus posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range. Money from the movie is chump change. Most of the money is made from Merchandise. There's no way Sony benefits from this deal unless Disney decides to do the same 50/50 split with merchandise. They benefit from this deal is that their partnership with Marvel is about as close to guaranteed box office returns as you can get. Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:926369882] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly. Using FFH as an example, they had a budget of $160 million and it made $1B+. If they split the financing and the profits, Sony is paying only $80 million for a $500 million return. We can look at Venom and say that Sony made more off of that movie. But subsequent Venom movies and whatever other projects Sony is planning are not guaranteed to do anywhere near the same numbers. It's not like Venom blew everyone's socks the way Deadpool movie did and we've seen with the DCEU how numerous bad films will yield diminishing returns. The power of the MCU, on the other hand, is enough to push many films into the $1B+ range.</quote> Money from the movie is chump change. Most of the money is made from Merchandise. There's no way Sony benefits from this deal unless Disney decides to do the same 50/50 split with merchandise. </quote> They benefit from this deal is that their partnership with Marvel is about as close to guaranteed box office returns as you can get. Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 5:15:52 PM #110:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head. Disagree. Spiderverse has changed the game for Sony. They don't need Disney anymore. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926370136] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head.</quote> Disagree. Spiderverse has changed the game for Sony. They don't need Disney anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 08/21/19 5:20:00 PM #111:	Darmik posted... They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. That's not the whole story. The problem with Hulk is that the last movie didn't do that great at the box office and those were already profits they had to split with Universal. There was also the issue of Edward Norton leaving the franchise necessitating a slight revamp of the character. And it just so worked out the character worked far better as a supporting character in other movies than as his own solo hero anyway. Darmik posted... The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service. Netflix was responsible for cancelling them, not Disney. Disney+ was intended to be a more kid-friendly streaming service anyway, so that wouldn't have been the home of the Netflix heroes in the first place. If anything, they would have moved over to Hulu. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:926370329] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. </quote> That's not the whole story. The problem with Hulk is that the last movie didn't do that great at the box office and those were already profits they had to split with Universal. There was also the issue of Edward Norton leaving the franchise necessitating a slight revamp of the character. And it just so worked out the character worked far better as a supporting character in other movies than as his own solo hero anyway. Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service.</quote> Netflix was responsible for cancelling them, not Disney. Disney+ was intended to be a more kid-friendly streaming service anyway, so that wouldn't have been the home of the Netflix heroes in the first place. If anything, they would have moved over to Hulu.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 08/21/19 5:25:07 PM #112:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Its like Marvel wants all of their properties. Shocker. So what? The creators of Spider-Man are dead. Marvel is just a company. A hermit shell if you will. That other people moved into and pissed all over the floor on the comic end. Sony is never giving up the rights to Spider-man without either a major pay day or some how Disney finding a way to swallow up their studios. <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:926370552] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite> <quote>Its like Marvel wants all of their properties. Shocker.</quote>So what? The creators of Spider-Man are dead. Marvel is just a company. A hermit shell if you will. That other people moved into and pissed all over the floor on the comic end. Sony is never giving up the rights to Spider-man without either a major pay day or some how Disney finding a way to swallow up their studios. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/21/19 5:34:02 PM #113:	Sony wanting to keep the same deal doesn't make them the good guy Disney asking for 50 percent is bullshit but Don't giving them 5 percent is also bullshit <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926370907] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Sony wanting to keep the same deal doesn't make them the good guy Disney asking for 50 percent is bullshit but Don't giving them 5 percent is also bullshit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 08/21/19 5:34:46 PM #114:	The only way it would be maybe fair, is if Disney let's Sony co produce any MCU movie with Spider-man in it. The way Disney wants it is they get all the money from their own movie and half the money from Sony's. Also fuck Sony and fuck Playstation. I hate those controllers. I'm only saying this out of what actually makes sense, they are both just big ass companies trying to suck the money out of everyone. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:926370946] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>The only way it would be maybe fair, is if Disney let's Sony co produce any MCU movie with Spider-man in it. The way Disney wants it is they get all the money from their own movie and half the money from Sony's. Also fuck Sony and fuck Playstation. I hate those controllers. I'm only saying this out of what actually makes sense, they are both just big ass companies trying to suck the money out of everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Holy_Cloud105 08/21/19 6:10:45 PM #115:	Tyranthraxus posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head. Disagree. Spiderverse has changed the game for Sony. They don't need Disney anymore. Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over. --- Official Aqua of the Kingdom Hearts 3 board. <cite>Holy_Cloud105 posted [p:926372547] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile Sony's track record with Spidey is....not good. I think they are letting Spiderverse and Venom's success get to their head.</quote> Disagree. Spiderverse has changed the game for Sony. They don't need Disney anymore. </quote> Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/21/19 6:14:32 PM #116:	Didnt know Netflix canceling their own shows was Disneys doing. People who are on Sonys side are there solely because they have a hate boner for Disney. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:926372732] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Didnt know Netflix canceling their own shows was Disneys doing. People who are on Sonys side are there solely because they have a hate boner for Disney.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 6:21:39 PM #117:	sktgamer_13dude posted... People who are on Sonys side are there solely because they have a hate boner for Disney. You can't legit believe that. I love Disney movies. But they're an incredibly ruthless company when it comes to business. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926373040] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>People who are on Sonys side are there solely because they have a hate boner for Disney.</quote> You can't legit believe that. I love Disney movies. But they're an incredibly ruthless company when it comes to business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 6:28:05 PM #118:	Holy_Cloud105 posted... Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over. DCOAMs did not receive a theatrical debut. It's a completely invalid comparison. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926373282] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Holy_Cloud105 posted... </cite> <quote>Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over.</quote>DCOAMs did not receive a theatrical debut. It's a completely invalid comparison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 08/21/19 6:33:28 PM #119:	Tyranthraxus posted... Holy_Cloud105 posted... Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over. DCOAMs did not receive a theatrical debut. It's a completely invalid comparison. Plus they didn't win an Oscar. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:926373498] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Holy_Cloud105 posted... </cite> <quote> Saying Spiderverse changed the game for Sony is liking saying all of the animated movies changed the game for DC. The animated movies are better than the live action ones but that doesn't mean it'll translate over.</quote>DCOAMs did not receive a theatrical debut. It's a completely invalid comparison. </quote> Plus they didn't win an Oscar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 6:36:20 PM #120:	I'm pretty sure Lord and Miller would make a great live action Spider-Man movie if their input in Into the Spider-Verse gives any indication. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926373623] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure Lord and Miller would make a great live action Spider-Man movie if their input in Into the Spider-Verse gives any indication.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
super_clout 08/21/19 7:20:09 PM #121:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Darmik posted... They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. That's not the whole story. The problem with Hulk is that the last movie didn't do that great at the box office and those were already profits they had to split with Universal. There was also the issue of Edward Norton leaving the franchise necessitating a slight revamp of the character. And it just so worked out the character worked far better as a supporting character in other movies than as his own solo hero anyway. Darmik posted... The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service. Netflix was responsible for cancelling them, not Disney. Disney+ was intended to be a more kid-friendly streaming service anyway, so that wouldn't have been the home of the Netflix heroes in the first place. If anything, they would have moved over to Hulu. In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise. --- FC 1891 1184 7059. IGN. Clout <cite>super_clout posted [p:926375337] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>They will never allow Marvel Studios to make a Hulk movie as Universal have distribution rights. </quote> That's not the whole story. The problem with Hulk is that the last movie didn't do that great at the box office and those were already profits they had to split with Universal. There was also the issue of Edward Norton leaving the franchise necessitating a slight revamp of the character. And it just so worked out the character worked far better as a supporting character in other movies than as his own solo hero anyway. Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The Marvel Netflix shows all suddenly got cancelled when Disney started working on their own streaming service.</quote> Netflix was responsible for cancelling them, not Disney. Disney+ was intended to be a more kid-friendly streaming service anyway, so that wouldn't have been the home of the Netflix heroes in the first place. If anything, they would have moved over to Hulu.</quote> In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 8:14:14 PM #122:	super_clout posted... In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise. Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926377323] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>super_clout posted... </cite> <quote>In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise.</quote> Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 8:19:03 PM #123:	Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926377524] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 8:19:42 PM #124:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done. lmao I love it --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926377555] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done.</quote>lmao I love it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 8:19:51 PM #125:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done. They'd also need to rename every single Spider-man character. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926377565] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done.</quote> They'd also need to rename every single Spider-man character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 8:24:11 PM #126:	Darmik posted... MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done. They'd also need to rename every single Spider-man character. They don't own Happy Never refer to May as Aunt May Sinister Six just don't user their villain names Done --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926377735] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly just buy out Holland's contract and call him Night Monkey from now on and never use the word Spider Man. Done.</quote> They'd also need to rename every single Spider-man character.</quote> They don't own Happy Never refer to May as Aunt May Sinister Six just don't user their villain names Done</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/21/19 9:19:24 PM #127:	If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:926379916] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 9:19:57 PM #128:	Skye Reynolds posted... If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role. Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_< --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926379934] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role.</quote> Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 9:21:09 PM #129:	Darmik posted... Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_< Michael Keaton stuck it to Warner Bros on his own when they didn't hire Burton back for Batman & Robin --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926379973] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_<</quote>Michael Keaton stuck it to Warner Bros on his own when they didn't hire Burton back for Batman & Robin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/21/19 9:22:14 PM #130:	Darmik posted... Skye Reynolds posted... If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role. Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_< That's more of a shout out than anything. There's nobody who wasn't thinking Spider-Man versus Old School Batman. It's all in good fun. But if Sony takes Holland and Disney brings in Maguire, that's breaking out the big guns. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:926380026] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>If Disney wants to stick it to Sony, they should cast Tobey Maguire in a role.</quote> Were they sticking it to Warner Bros when they cast Michael Keaton? <_<</quote> That's more of a shout out than anything. There's nobody who wasn't thinking Spider-Man versus Old School Batman. It's all in good fun. But if Sony takes Holland and Disney brings in Maguire, that's breaking out the big guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/21/19 9:49:36 PM #131:	50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit? --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:926381052] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 9:52:11 PM #132:	It's already a 50/50 split anyway. Sony gets nothing and pays nothing for Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame, Disney pays nothing (except Feige's time) and gets just 5% of day 1 sales for Homecoming and Far From Home. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926381159] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>It's already a 50/50 split anyway. Sony gets nothing and pays nothing for Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame, Disney pays nothing (except Feige's time) and gets just 5% of day 1 sales for Homecoming and Far From Home. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
super_clout 08/21/19 10:36:07 PM #133:	Tyranthraxus posted... super_clout posted... In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise. Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. Negative --- FC 1891 1184 7059. IGN. Clout <cite>super_clout posted [p:926382862] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>super_clout posted... </cite> <quote>In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise.</quote> Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. </quote> Negative</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 08/21/19 10:39:30 PM #134:	super_clout posted... Tyranthraxus posted... super_clout posted... In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise. Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. Negative Pretty sure he is right. Or they just couldn't put him any of the movies. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:926382982] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>super_clout posted...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> super_clout posted... </cite> <quote> In regards tothe Hulk Universal owns the character since the late 60's and All profis from any Hulk film or TV show will be 100% universal. it was a forever deal that was made back in the day. Those types of deals rarely happens now. Well another is cdprojectred and the witcher franchise. </quote> Incorrect. The rights fully reverted back to marvel except for distribution rights. </quote> Negative</quote> Pretty sure he is right. Or they just couldn't put him any of the movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 10:45:37 PM #135:	super_clout posted... Negative https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2015/06/19/ details-of-marvels-hulk-film-rights- fans-can-relax-about-sequel/#481485011916 https://bit.ly/2P7pXjS Marvel regained the film production rights to the Hulk in 2005, after Universals license of the character lapsed due to failure to enter production on a sequel to 2003s Ang Lee film Hulk. In February 2006, Morton Handel then-chairman of Marvel Entertainment said during an earnings report announcement, Several watershed events in 2005 have set the stage for the next phase of Marvels growth. We are actively working on scripts for Captain America, Ant-Man and Nick Fury In addition, the rights for Hulk and Iron Man reverted back to Marvel. Later in 2006, Marvel successfully regained the film production rights to Captain America and Thor as well. But despite obtaining the cinematic rights to make Hulk movies, Marvel did not obtain distribution rights. Universal held those rights, and today I can confirm the exact situation is that Universal currently retains the right of first refusal to distribute any Hulk films in the future. If for some reason Universal chose to forgo distribution, then Disney would immediately pick up the distribution rights for the Hulk movie. So Universal has no claim at all to the production rights, and their distribution rights are dependent on exercising their option, which remains in full effect at the moment. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926383222] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>super_clout posted... </cite> <quote>Negative</quote>https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2015/06/19/ details-of-marvels-hulk-film-rights- fans-can-relax-about-sequel/#481485011916 https://bit.ly/2P7pXjS Marvel regained the film production rights to the Hulk in 2005, after Universals license of the character lapsed due to failure to enter production on a sequel to 2003s Ang Lee film Hulk. In February 2006, Morton Handel then-chairman of Marvel Entertainment said during an earnings report announcement, Several watershed events in 2005 have set the stage for the next phase of Marvels growth. We are actively working on scripts for Captain America, Ant-Man and Nick Fury In addition, the rights for Hulk and Iron Man reverted back to Marvel. Later in 2006, Marvel successfully regained the film production rights to Captain America and Thor as well. But despite obtaining the cinematic rights to make Hulk movies, Marvel did not obtain distribution rights. Universal held those rights, and today I can confirm the exact situation is that Universal currently retains the right of first refusal to distribute any Hulk films in the future. If for some reason Universal chose to forgo distribution, then Disney would immediately pick up the distribution rights for the Hulk movie. So Universal has no claim at all to the production rights, and their distribution rights are dependent on exercising their option, which remains in full effect at the moment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 10:50:20 PM #136:	The short form ramifications of the above means if Marvel makes a Hulk movie, Universal can just swoop in and take 100% of the profits. If they don't, then Marvel keeps everything. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926383405] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>The short form ramifications of the above means if Marvel makes a Hulk movie, Universal can just swoop in and take 100% of the profits. If they don't, then Marvel keeps everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 11:02:50 PM #137:	Yeah and Disney will never take that risk. They're already walking away from their Sony relationship for less. Likewise the deal Disney wants would probably make things complicated for Spider-man in a similar way. I'm sure both companies would want some sort of right of refusal. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926383922] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Yeah and Disney will never take that risk. They're already walking away from their Sony relationship for less. Likewise the deal Disney wants would probably make things complicated for Spider-man in a similar way. I'm sure both companies would want some sort of right of refusal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 11:12:22 PM #138:	Darmik posted... Yeah and Disney will never take that risk. They're already walking away from their Sony relationship for less. Likewise the deal Disney wants would probably make things complicated for Spider-man in a similar way. I'm sure both companies would want some sort of right of refusal. Disney might want to work out an agreement with Universal ahead of time to not exercise that option but they probably just feel it's not worth the effort. The demand for a Hulk solo movie just isn't that high anymore and they keep sticking him in other things anyway. He's probably going to show up in Dr. Strange 2 based on his conversation in Endgame. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926384283] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah and Disney will never take that risk. They're already walking away from their Sony relationship for less. Likewise the deal Disney wants would probably make things complicated for Spider-man in a similar way. I'm sure both companies would want some sort of right of refusal.</quote> Disney might want to work out an agreement with Universal ahead of time to not exercise that option but they probably just feel it's not worth the effort. The demand for a Hulk solo movie just isn't that high anymore and they keep sticking him in other things anyway. He's probably going to show up in Dr. Strange 2 based on his conversation in Endgame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/22/19 1:54:55 AM #139:	Polycosm posted... 50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit? Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926389357] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit?</quote> Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/22/19 2:01:35 AM #140:	How did Sony put in zero work when both of the Spider-man movies were Sony Productions completely funded by Sony? They also decided that their new movies would be set in high school and they hired the director and writers. People are acting like Disney did the whole movie for them when that isn't the case. Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios co-produced the film with Sony and helped it integrate into the MCU. They didn't do all of the work. Plenty of the internet is turning against Disney. Of course Disney is flooding Twitter with bots to make it seem like that isn't the case. This also literally has nothing to do with the PS4 at all. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926389509] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>How did Sony put in zero work when both of the Spider-man movies were Sony Productions completely funded by Sony? They also decided that their new movies would be set in high school and they hired the director and writers. People are acting like Disney did the whole movie for them when that isn't the case. Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios co-produced the film with Sony and helped it integrate into the MCU. They didn't do all of the work. Plenty of the internet is turning against Disney. Of course Disney is flooding Twitter with bots to make it seem like that isn't the case. This also literally has nothing to do with the PS4 at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 08/22/19 2:05:57 AM #141:	https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-standoff-why-sony-thinks-it-doesnt-need-kevins-playbook-anymore-1233644 --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:926389621] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-standoff-why-sony-thinks-it-doesnt-need-kevins-playbook-anymore-1233644</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/22/19 2:07:07 AM #142:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... yeah sony hired the writers and did all the work involving mcu properties and characters to make up their storylines that relied upon them! lmfao @ "it was just kevin feige bro" --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926389640] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>yeah sony hired the writers and did all the work involving mcu properties and characters to make up their storylines that relied upon them! lmfao @ "it was just kevin feige bro"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 08/22/19 2:15:10 AM #143:	Disney is not wrong for asking for 50% Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down. Sony just couldnt get it in their sensitive heads that disney deserves more money for making their struggling character hot again so they pulled out immediately like idiots --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926389802] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Disney is not wrong for asking for 50% Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down. Sony just couldnt get it in their sensitive heads that disney deserves more money for making their struggling character hot again so they pulled out immediately like idiots</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/22/19 2:16:57 AM #144:	http://collider.com/kevin-feige-amy-pascal-spider-man-homecoming-interview/ Theyre not as invested and so my question is, originally Sony paid Marvel a fee every time they made a Spider-Man movie. So now you negotiated the characters. Is it just, can you talk about what it is exactlywhat is that business relationship? FEIGE: No, I cant, because Im not the lawyer or the business affairs person. But I do know that its relatively simple in that it is a Sony picture and Sony paid for it and Sony the money from it. And Marvel and Disney owned Spider-Man and all of the accoutrements that would come with that. Merchandise. PASCAL: Yes, all the merch. FEIGE: Yeah, but my focus was always, and remains always, on can I do a Spider-Man movie? It puts Spider-Man in an Avengers movie? Thats it. PASCAL: And to be honest, thats how it happened. It happened because Kevin came to me and said, you know I love Spider-Man and I really want to make the Spider-Man movie and I have an idea for what we should do. Thats how it happened. Was it always gonna be Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yeah. PASCAL: It was always gonna be Vulture. We liked the costume and the stuff he did. FEIGE: I went to see Amy four or five times over the course of this process and I think every single thing we talked about from the fun-Spidey, to the Vulture, to of course, MCU, Tony giving him the suit, all the way to the title Homecoming was from those initial discussions. PASCAL: Yes, it actually was, in that first lunch we talked about Homecoming. Thats crazy. PASCAL: I know. Kevins really smart, thats why. Yeah, hes landed on his feet. So you said Plan A for this movie with Iron Man. Was Plan B still Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yes. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926389835] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>http://collider.com/kevin-feige-amy-pascal-spider-man-homecoming-interview/ <quote>Theyre not as invested and so my question is, originally Sony paid Marvel a fee every time they made a Spider-Man movie. So now you negotiated the characters. Is it just, can you talk about what it is exactlywhat is that business relationship? FEIGE: No, I cant, because Im not the lawyer or the business affairs person. But I do know that its relatively simple in that it is a Sony picture and Sony paid for it and Sony the money from it. And Marvel and Disney owned Spider-Man and all of the accoutrements that would come with that. Merchandise. PASCAL: Yes, all the merch. FEIGE: Yeah, but my focus was always, and remains always, on can I do a Spider-Man movie? It puts Spider-Man in an Avengers movie? Thats it. PASCAL: And to be honest, thats how it happened. It happened because Kevin came to me and said, you know I love Spider-Man and I really want to make the Spider-Man movie and I have an idea for what we should do. Thats how it happened.</quote> <quote>Was it always gonna be Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yeah. PASCAL: It was always gonna be Vulture. We liked the costume and the stuff he did. FEIGE: I went to see Amy four or five times over the course of this process and I think every single thing we talked about from the fun-Spidey, to the Vulture, to of course, MCU, Tony giving him the suit, all the way to the title Homecoming was from those initial discussions. PASCAL: Yes, it actually was, in that first lunch we talked about Homecoming. Thats crazy. PASCAL: I know. Kevins really smart, thats why. Yeah, hes landed on his feet. So you said Plan A for this movie with Iron Man. Was Plan B still Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yes.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/22/19 2:22:21 AM #145:	Darmik posted... http://collider.com/kevin-feige-amy-pascal-spider-man-homecoming-interview/ Theyre not as invested and so my question is, originally Sony paid Marvel a fee every time they made a Spider-Man movie. So now you negotiated the characters. Is it just, can you talk about what it is exactlywhat is that business relationship? FEIGE: No, I cant, because Im not the lawyer or the business affairs person. But I do know that its relatively simple in that it is a Sony picture and Sony paid for it and Sony the money from it. And Marvel and Disney owned Spider-Man and all of the accoutrements that would come with that. Merchandise. PASCAL: Yes, all the merch. FEIGE: Yeah, but my focus was always, and remains always, on can I do a Spider-Man movie? It puts Spider-Man in an Avengers movie? Thats it. PASCAL: And to be honest, thats how it happened. It happened because Kevin came to me and said, you know I love Spider-Man and I really want to make the Spider-Man movie and I have an idea for what we should do. Thats how it happened. Was it always gonna be Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yeah. PASCAL: It was always gonna be Vulture. We liked the costume and the stuff he did. FEIGE: I went to see Amy four or five times over the course of this process and I think every single thing we talked about from the fun-Spidey, to the Vulture, to of course, MCU, Tony giving him the suit, all the way to the title Homecoming was from those initial discussions. PASCAL: Yes, it actually was, in that first lunch we talked about Homecoming. Thats crazy. PASCAL: I know. Kevins really smart, thats why. Yeah, hes landed on his feet. So you said Plan A for this movie with Iron Man. Was Plan B still Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yes. "but Sony did all that!!" --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926389966] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>http://collider.com/kevin-feige-amy-pascal-spider-man-homecoming-interview/ <quote>Theyre not as invested and so my question is, originally Sony paid Marvel a fee every time they made a Spider-Man movie. So now you negotiated the characters. Is it just, can you talk about what it is exactlywhat is that business relationship? FEIGE: No, I cant, because Im not the lawyer or the business affairs person. But I do know that its relatively simple in that it is a Sony picture and Sony paid for it and Sony the money from it. And Marvel and Disney owned Spider-Man and all of the accoutrements that would come with that. Merchandise. PASCAL: Yes, all the merch. FEIGE: Yeah, but my focus was always, and remains always, on can I do a Spider-Man movie? It puts Spider-Man in an Avengers movie? Thats it. PASCAL: And to be honest, thats how it happened. It happened because Kevin came to me and said, you know I love Spider-Man and I really want to make the Spider-Man movie and I have an idea for what we should do. Thats how it happened.</quote> <quote>Was it always gonna be Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yeah. PASCAL: It was always gonna be Vulture. We liked the costume and the stuff he did. FEIGE: I went to see Amy four or five times over the course of this process and I think every single thing we talked about from the fun-Spidey, to the Vulture, to of course, MCU, Tony giving him the suit, all the way to the title Homecoming was from those initial discussions. PASCAL: Yes, it actually was, in that first lunch we talked about Homecoming. Thats crazy. PASCAL: I know. Kevins really smart, thats why. Yeah, hes landed on his feet. So you said Plan A for this movie with Iron Man. Was Plan B still Vulture? PASCAL: Yes. FEIGE: Yes.</quote></quote> "but Sony did all that!!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/22/19 2:23:57 AM #146:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... "but Sony did all that!!" I've said from the start it was co-produced by Sony and Marvel Studios. The rest is all on Sony. Sony did more than just fund the film for Disney. That's fan fiction made up in a weird attempt to make Disney look like a good guy. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926390000] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>"but Sony did all that!!"</quote> I've said from the start it was co-produced by Sony and Marvel Studios. The rest is all on Sony. Sony did more than just fund the film for Disney. That's fan fiction made up in a weird attempt to make Disney look like a good guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 08/22/19 2:25:24 AM #147:	StealthRock posted... Disney is not wrong for asking for 50% Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down. Sony just couldnt get it in their sensitive heads that disney deserves more money for making their struggling character hot again so they pulled out immediately like idiots They already make a shit ton of money off of it, possibly more than Sony. So there is no reason for Sony to agree to this new deal. I don't even like Sony, it is just obvious. Unless Disney is ready to fork over half of the finances of every one of their movies with Spider Man in it, than it is completely unfair. The best Spider-Man movie was 100 percent made by Sony, and it just came out last year. Venom was bad, but Tom Hardy was good in it. If they read what literally everyone said, more of that and less of everything else from the move, they will do great on the sequel. Woody Harrelson as Carnage sounds too hilarious. Every Spider-Man movie made by Sony was a success to some degree. Not all were good movies. But all at least made good money. Disney is just making the decision that getting to use Spider-Man characters in their movies isn't worth letting Sony use their characters in Sony movies. It is up to them, the deal was great for them when it started, and now they don't think it is anymore, even though it still is. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:926390040] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Disney is not wrong for asking for 50% Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down. Sony just couldnt get it in their sensitive heads that disney deserves more money for making their struggling character hot again so they pulled out immediately like idiots</quote> They already make a shit ton of money off of it, possibly more than Sony. So there is no reason for Sony to agree to this new deal. I don't even like Sony, it is just obvious. Unless Disney is ready to fork over half of the finances of every one of their movies with Spider Man in it, than it is completely unfair. The best Spider-Man movie was 100 percent made by Sony, and it just came out last year. Venom was bad, but Tom Hardy was good in it. If they read what literally everyone said, more of that and less of everything else from the move, they will do great on the sequel. Woody Harrelson as Carnage sounds too hilarious. Every Spider-Man movie made by Sony was a success to some degree. Not all were good movies. But all at least made good money. Disney is just making the decision that getting to use Spider-Man characters in their movies isn't worth letting Sony use their characters in Sony movies. It is up to them, the deal was great for them when it started, and now they don't think it is anymore, even though it still is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/22/19 2:25:31 AM #148:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Polycosm posted... 50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit? Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point. Spider-Man: Homecoming - $880.2M Venom - $856.1M Spider-Man: Far from Home - $1.110B The MCU adds value but Venom didn't exactly underperform. Putting aside the killing Disney makes on merch thanks to the success of Sony's movies, the box office numbers don't come close to justifying 50%. --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:926390043] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit?</quote> Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point.</quote> Spider-Man: Homecoming - $880.2M Venom - $856.1M Spider-Man: Far from Home - $1.110B The MCU adds value but Venom didn't exactly underperform. Putting aside the killing Disney makes on merch thanks to the success of Sony's movies, the box office numbers don't come close to justifying 50%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/22/19 2:27:55 AM #149:	Yeah Sony brought in Iron Man and told the Russo Brothers ~~to use Peter Parker as motivation for time travel~~ and continued Nick Fury's storyline and all that! Disney just setup the entire universe and Infinity Saga plotline for Sony's property to shine, but it was REALLY Sony who put all that groundbreaking work into making these movies a success! Ugh. Just admit you have a blind spot because you frequent a gaming forum. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926390098] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Yeah Sony brought in Iron Man and told the Russo Brothers to use Peter Parker as motivation for time travel and continued Nick Fury's storyline and all that! Disney just setup the entire universe and Infinity Saga plotline for Sony's property to shine, but it was REALLY Sony who put all that groundbreaking work into making these movies a success! Ugh. Just admit you have a blind spot because you frequent a gaming forum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/22/19 2:30:06 AM #150:	Polycosm posted... MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Polycosm posted... 50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit? Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point. Spider-Man: Homecoming - $880.2M Venom - $856.1M Spider-Man: Far from Home - $1.110B The MCU adds value but Venom didn't exactly underperform. Putting aside the killing Disney makes on merch thanks to the success of Sony's movies, the box office numbers don't come close to justifying 50%. Venom is an outlier. Look at every other Sony picture. Most of that money was made from opening weekend people confused that it had nothing to do with Black Panther or Avengers. That movie fell out of theaters hard after that, while FFH is still going. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926390145] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>50% was a ludicrous number to start with. Sony was right to dismiss it. Not that Sony has been a responsible steward of the IP... but they own the movie rights fair and square. Why would they give away half of the profit?</quote> Because their movies sell like shit, they put in zero work, and should be fucking grateful they actually sniffed this amount of profit with Disney's help. Nowhere else on the internet are people shilling this hard for Sony. This is a PS4 fanboy thing and it's not even disputable at this point.</quote> Spider-Man: Homecoming - $880.2M Venom - $856.1M Spider-Man: Far from Home - $1.110B The MCU adds value but Venom didn't exactly underperform. Putting aside the killing Disney makes on merch thanks to the success of Sony's movies, the box office numbers don't come close to justifying 50%.</quote> Venom is an outlier. Look at every other Sony picture. Most of that money was made from opening weekend people confused that it had nothing to do with Black Panther or Avengers. That movie fell out of theaters hard after that, while FFH is still going.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 08/22/19 2:30:35 AM #151:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... Yeah Sony brought in Iron Man and told the Russo Brothers ~~to use Peter Parker as motivation for time travel~~ and continued Nick Fury's storyline and all that! Disney just setup the entire universe and Infinity Saga plotline for Sony's property to shine, but it was REALLY Sony who put all that groundbreaking work into making these movies a success! Ugh. Just admit you have a blind spot because you frequent a gaming forum. So if I give you some tips on how to do your job better, you would want to give me half of your paycheck? Sounds great. I'll even cover half of whatever expenses you pay for supplies just like Disney wants to. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:926390153] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah Sony brought in Iron Man and told the Russo Brothers to use Peter Parker as motivation for time travel and continued Nick Fury's storyline and all that! Disney just setup the entire universe and Infinity Saga plotline for Sony's property to shine, but it was REALLY Sony who put all that groundbreaking work into making these movies a success! Ugh. Just admit you have a blind spot because you frequent a gaming forum.</quote> So if I give you some tips on how to do your job better, you would want to give me half of your paycheck? Sounds great. I'll even cover half of whatever expenses you pay for supplies just like Disney wants to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/22/19 2:31:39 AM #152:	StealthRock posted... Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down. Generally yes, but if you start insultingly high then you can lose the entire deal. When negotiating a raise, you don't start by asking for 1,000%. --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:926390179] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone who knows negotiations knows you start high and work down.</quote> Generally yes, but if you start insultingly high then you can lose the entire deal. When negotiating a raise, you don't start by asking for 1,000%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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