Current Events > In 1984, Cali had a mass shooting in a McDonalds, with 22 dead.

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I had never heard of this shooting before. Up until then, I think it was the most deadly mass shooting in US history, i.e. the most people killed. The reason for the shooting was unknown, but it's highly likely that the shooter had something wrong with his mental health.

Is this a well-known shooting? Is it still talked about a little, in America? Of course, you might argue that the Las Vegas shooting, which had 60 people killed, is rarely mentioned anymore, and that was only 2017, so why would people still talk much about this. The zeitgeist of America is very worrying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre

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Ok
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For some reason, of all the mass shootings Ive read about through the years, this one stuck with me the most; insanely horrific series of events.

But yeah, people dont talk about it that much anymore, oddly enough.
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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

On July 15, 1984, James Huberty commented to his wife, Etna, that he suspected he might have a mental problem.[1] Two days later, on the morning of July 17, he called a mental health clinic requesting an appointment. Leaving his contact details with the receptionist, he was assured the clinic would return his call within hours. According to his wife, he sat quietly beside the telephone for several hours, awaiting the return call, before abruptly walking out of the family home and riding to an unknown destination on his motorcycle. Unbeknownst to Huberty, the receptionist had misspelled his name as "Shouberty." His polite demeanor conveyed no sense of urgency to the operator; therefore, she logged the call as a "non-crisis" inquiry, to be handled within 48 hours.[3] Approximately one hour later, Huberty returned home in a contented mood. After eating dinner, Huberty, his wife, and their two daughters (aged 12 and 10) cycled to a nearby park. Later that evening, he and Etna watched a film together on their television.

The following morningWednesday, July 18Huberty took his wife and daughters to the San Diego Zoo.[4] In the course of the walk, Huberty told his wife that he believed that his life was effectively over. Referring to the mental health clinic's failure to return his phone call the previous day, he said, "Well, society had their chance."[1][5][6] After eating lunch at a McDonald's restaurant in the Clairemont neighborhood of San Diego, the Hubertys returned home.

Shortly thereafter, Huberty walked into his bedroom as his wife lay on the bed tired from the heat of the day. He changed his clothing by putting on a red T-shirt and green camouflage slacks. He then leaned toward her and said, "I want to kiss you goodbye."[7] Etna asked him where he was going, to which he replied he was "going hunting... hunting for humans."[8][n 1] Carrying a bundle wrapped in a checkered blanket, Huberty looked toward his elder daughter, Zelia, as he walked toward the front door of the family home and said, "Goodbye. I won't be back." He drove down San Ysidro Boulevard. According to eyewitnesses, he drove first toward the Big Bear supermarket and then toward a U.S. Post Office branch,[10] before entering the parking lot of a McDonald's restaurant about 200 yards (180 m) from his apartment.

Chilling

Chilling as fuck.
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77 minutes they were held hostage. If I were in that situation, I'm sneaking the fuck out or bum rushing when the shooter isn't looking. At least I hope I would do that.

Yup. Down by San Diego. I know about it.
I want to say the site is a memorial park now.
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Made me think of Falling Down.
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Not really related but a commuter plane went down into a neighborhood near that same are in 1978.
Flight PSA 182. Went down about 10-12 miles up the 805 from the McDonalds shooting.

Look it up if you've never heard about it. There's a real picture of the plane in flames going down.
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It was huge news at the time. I was 12 then and I remember it. We just didn't have internet or 24/7 cable news so it just kinda faded away for everyone except those involved or maybe in San Diego
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This topic made me google the incident again & for some reason Id forgotten about that pic of the restaurants interior immediately following the incident... probably the most horrific crime scene Ive ever seen. I mean Ive seen more graphic images, but the added context just makes it so unbelievably harrowing.
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What makes it worse is that at the time, SDPD SWAT outfits were black t-shirts & camo pants, which is exactly what Huberty had been wearing. After he was killed and they came in to clear the scene, some of the wounded thought they were his accomplices and continued to play dead for several minutes until the paramedics were allowed entrance.
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Gafemage posted...

This topic made me google the incident again & for some reason Id forgotten about that pic of the restaurants interior immediately following the incident... probably the most horrific crime scene Ive ever seen. I mean Ive seen more graphic images, but the added context just makes it so unbelievably harrowing.

damn that's a lot of blood
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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

. He changed his clothing by putting on a red T-shirt and green camouflage slacks

Now theres the real crime.

Anyway... theres also that mass shooting from that bell tower. And there must have been some mass shootings at post offices because as a kid we use to say, going postal. Funny how no one uses that expression anymore.

There were clearly mass shootings before Columbine. They were just a whole lot less frequent.
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There was a shot dead baby in the crime scene. No older than 3 or 4 months old. I have a daughter that age. She was laying between her dead parents.

My god
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r25 posted...

77 minutes they were held hostage. If I were in that situation, I'm sneaking the fuck out or bum rushing when the shooter isn't looking. At least I hope I would do that.

Sure you would tough guy.
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Nothin ever changes but the weather...

BeyondWalls posted...

jeffhardyb0yz posted...

. He changed his clothing by putting on a red T-shirt and green camouflage slacks

Now theres the real crime.

Anyway... theres also that mass shooting from that bell tower.

Horrifying fact about that one: one of the people he shot was a woman who was 8 months pregnant. Shot her in the abdomen. She lived. Her son didn't.
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@Dyinglegacy posted...

There was a shot dead baby in the crime scene. No older than 3 or 4 months old. I have a daughter that age. She was laying between her dead parents.

My god

The baby who died was an 8-month old boy; a 4-month-old girl was shot outside the McDonald's, but she & her parents miraculously all survived, and you can hear her story here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xNfp2Lkidg" data-time="
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and we have reagan to thank after cutting funding for mental health facilities
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E32005 posted...

and we have reagan to thank after cutting funding for mental health facilities

That trend started in the 50s.
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/30/567477160/how-the-loss-of-u-s-psychiatric-hospitals-led-to-a-mental-health-crisis
The Carter-era reaction Reagan dismantled was too little too late.

There have been shootings, even school shootings, in the US since the 1800s. There were less people alive back then and way less kids in school.

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Verdekal posted...

There have been shootings, even school shootings, in the US since the 1800s. There were less people alive back then and way less kids in school.

There were school shootings in America before the US even existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Brown_school_massacre

Questionmarktarius posted...

There were school shootings in America before the US even existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Brown_school_massacre

There is nothing about shooting or guns in that article. They were attacked with Tomahawks and scalped

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nonetheless he was shot and scalped
Shot by a tomahawk?
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Foppe posted...

nonetheless he was shot and scalped
Shot by a tomahawk?

Clearly, we need to do something about assault hatchets.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Foppe posted...

nonetheless he was shot and scalped
Shot by a tomahawk?

Clearly, we need to do something about assault hatchets.

Background checks and ban hatchshows.
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This is even worse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
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Dad: "I'm going hunting humans."
Daughter: "ok"
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BigDD67 posted...

It was huge news at the time. I was 12 then and I remember it. We just didn't have internet or 24/7 cable news so it just kinda faded away for everyone except those involved or maybe in San Diego

This. Think I was 15 at the time, in L.A. The area is now a park IIRC. There was CNN at the time but very few people had it. All of SoCal was shook.
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metallica846 posted...

Nobody talks about the Norway shooting anymore either. Too sad to think about I guess, so we put it out of our minds.

Is that the anders brevik one?
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BigDD67 posted...

It was huge news at the time. I was 12 then and I remember it. We just didn't have internet or 24/7 cable news so it just kinda faded away for everyone except those involved or maybe in San Diego

Honestly I live about 10 miles from there and go to San Ysidro almost weekly.

Never heard of this before. Crazy stuff
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Never heard of it.

As far as the media is concerned, this never happened till columbine.

Guess the media trick us again.

FrozenXylophone posted...

Never heard of it.

As far as the media is concerned, this never happened till columbine.

Guess the media trick us again.

Pretty sure thats for school shootings.

Continue to be upset at the media for this though.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Pretty sure thats for school shootings.

You are sure what is for school shootings?

Read the posts above yours.

One of the deadliest school shootings in us history was in 1966.

Also school shootings in the us literally date back to like the 1870s.

Overlooking those facts seems way stranger to me tbh.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

FrozenXylophone posted...

Never heard of it.

As far as the media is concerned, this never happened till columbine.

Guess the media trick us again.

Pretty sure thats for school shootings.

Continue to be upset at the media for this though.

See my post.
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