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Assuming you think it's either one of those two.

Oh look the two most overrated FF villains
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How is Kefka overrated? He actually did, or mostly did, what he set out to do.
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The only knock on Kefka is that he was a fairly weak final boss from a gameplay setting. Plot-wise? Phenomenal. Central to the story from beginning to end, canonically leveled up alongside your characters to give the impression that his rise to power was because you just weren't strong enough to stop him early enough, and just insanely memorable and effective.
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Top 10 FF villains

1. Kuja
2. Caius Ballad
3. Who Cares?
4. Who Cares?
5. Who Cares?
6. Who Cares?
7. Who Cares?
8. Who Cares?
9. Who Cares?
10. Who Cares?

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lol FF villains.

ROFL Sephiroth.
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FF14: Emet-Selch

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Bump.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Top 10 FF villains

1. Kuja
2. Caius Ballad
3. Who Cares?
4. Who Cares?
5. Who Cares?
6. Who Cares?
7. Who Cares?
8. Who Cares?
9. Who Cares?
10. Who Cares?

mine brethren
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Kuja is my favorite, but I like Kefka more than Sephiroth
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Caelthus posted...

FF14: Emet-Selch

What I was going to say.

Legit best villain.
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I get he's not the main villain, but when people talk FF villains my mind always goes back to Gabranth. Idk if it's because of how bad ass he looked or because he actually had an interesting gimmick being Basche's twin if you could call it that as it added to the plot in a meaningful way. Also thought he had a pretty well written motive etc. Really wish the game focused more on him and the other judges like it led me on to believe
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Kefka

Dunno wno kuja or caius ballard are
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kuja

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Ardyn Lucius Caellum
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Sephiroth is so bad that even the knockoff version of him is better.
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Garland cuz he's just cool af

Ultimecia

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My top 5:

1. Hojo (VII)
2. Gilgamesh (V)
3. Weigraff (Tactics)
4. Kefka (VI)
5. Golbez (IV)

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Kefka and it's not close
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Evening_Dragon posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Top 10 FF villains

1. Kuja
2. Caius Ballad
3. Who Cares?
4. Who Cares?
5. Who Cares?
6. Who Cares?
7. Who Cares?
8. Who Cares?
9. Who Cares?
10. Who Cares?

mine brethren

Same add ardyn and the emperor. Emperor cant compete story wise due to when it released but i feel his feats are bad ass especially with the added mode where it goes on to show he took over heaven as well.

Cauis though I have to say his va really helped me like him.
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Exdeath followed by Gabranth
Dissidia is really cool and they should put 012 on Steam
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Kefka actually succeeded.
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Delita

From purely an aesthetic standpoint Gaius from 14 looks pretty legit too. Badass judge armor and a gunblade? Fuck yeah.
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Caelthus posted...

FF14: Emet-Selch

Looking forward to the extreme version of that fight
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Garioshi posted...

Kefka actually succeeded.

Hes not the only villain in the series to succeed in their goals. Never got why thats such a big point for his fans but almost never gets brought up with the others.

Mostly old games but one newer so spoilers emperor conquers pretty much everything. World heaven and hell. Iirc ex death does plummet the world into the void. Ultimecia does do her time compression bs (never really understood it but she does it) vayne wanted the fate of man taken away from the gods and put into the hands of man. Not fully his doing but it happens. Cauis gets what he wants im 13-2 and ardyn does see the line of lucis killed off just not in the way he would have preferred oh and he does more or less bring ruin to the entire world
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Garioshi posted...

Kefka actually succeeded.

Vayne succeeded before the game even started so that's kind of a low bar.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Evening_Dragon posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Top 10 FF villains

1. Kuja
2. Caius Ballad
3. Who Cares?
4. Who Cares?
5. Who Cares?
6. Who Cares?
7. Who Cares?
8. Who Cares?
9. Who Cares?
10. Who Cares?

mine brethren

Same add ardyn and the emperor. Emperor cant compete story wise due to when it released but i feel his feats are bad ass especially with the added mode where it goes on to show he took over heaven as well.

Cauis though I have to say his va really helped me like him.

Keep in mind he also destroyed a lot of purgatory as his light side ascended to heaven, which is why that impromptu town was built.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Garioshi posted...

Kefka actually succeeded.

Vayne succeeded before the game even started so that's kind of a low bar.

Eh his real goal is to put the fate of man into mans hands. He doesnt like the gods being able to shape history. His political goals are just a means to that end I believe.

You could say that about the emperor though. Ruling the world is pretty much his main thing and altair is the only town free of his reign at thr beginning of the game.
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I don't see Kefka bringing utter destruction to other planetary systems in order to reign triumphant.
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gunplagirl posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Evening_Dragon posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Top 10 FF villains

1. Kuja
2. Caius Ballad
3. Who Cares?
4. Who Cares?
5. Who Cares?
6. Who Cares?
7. Who Cares?
8. Who Cares?
9. Who Cares?
10. Who Cares?

mine brethren

Same add ardyn and the emperor. Emperor cant compete story wise due to when it released but i feel his feats are bad ass especially with the added mode where it goes on to show he took over heaven as well.

Cauis though I have to say his va really helped me like him.

Keep in mind he also destroyed a lot of purgatory as his light side ascended to heaven, which is why that impromptu town was built.

Think my favorite bit about him is the manual in atleast the psp version says he sold his soul for power. Then he proceeds to kick the devil off his thrown and rule over hell. Devil shoulda thought that deal through better.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Garioshi posted...

Kefka actually succeeded.

Vayne succeeded before the game even started so that's kind of a low bar.

Eh his real goal is to put the fate of man into mans hands. He doesnt like the gods being able to shape history. His political goals are just a means to that end I believe

Well if that's the case he failed from the start since he was only able to get as far as he did because of Venat. Everything that happened was because of Venat's motives.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Garioshi posted...

Kefka actually succeeded.

Vayne succeeded before the game even started so that's kind of a low bar.

Eh his real goal is to put the fate of man into mans hands. He doesnt like the gods being able to shape history. His political goals are just a means to that end I believe.

You could say that about the emperor though. Ruling the world is pretty much his main thing and altair is the only town free of his reign at thr beginning of the game.

Ehh, Vayne didn't necessarily have his primary goal be to free man until after Cid died and venat joined vayne. Like, he was aware of both and their goal, but he spent over half the game focused on the war, building up for the full-on war against the resistance and other nations (whatever one the Al- Cid was from). You could argue he was trying to push against Ashe for the added benefit of killing an occurian puppet, but there was plenty of political motivation as well. Then of course he killed his father to finally ascend the throne. Though, I guess it would not be out of the question to suggest he wanted to both rule the world and free mankind from the Gods, doing things towards both ends with his rise in power. it's actually why I like him as a villain. Because he was one of like 3 whole characters who understood doctor Cid and his work.
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Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.
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SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne couldn't even see Very until Cid died and Venat made Vayne his "familiar" or whatever the ultimania described it as.
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gaius van baelsar, because he was correct the entire time

SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne literally couldn't even see or hear Venat until after Dr Cid died

Also the story makes a bit more sense if you think of it as a WW2 analogy.

Vayne = Truman, Dr Cid = Oppenheimer, Nabudis = Hiroshima, Ashe is the representative of the conquered Japanese national spirit who goes on this revenge quest to acquire nukes (nethicite / deicite) and finally gets them but ultimately chooses not to use them because it's wrong and achieves her victory some other way.

the occuria is communism of which the fear of it is why Vayne and Dr. Cid deployed the nethicite in the first place.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne literally couldn't even see or hear Venat until after Dr Cid died

Also the story makes a bit more sense if you think of it as a WW2 analogy.

Vayne = Truman, Dr Cid = Oppenheimer, Nabudis = Hiroshima, Ashe is the representative of the conquered Japanese national spirit who goes on this revenge quest to acquire nukes (nethicite / deicite) and finally gets them but ultimately chooses not to use them because it's wrong and achieves her victory some other way.

the occuria is communism of which the fear of it is why Vayne and Dr. Cid deployed the nethicite in the first place.

Nah, the occuria is the threat of colonialism
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Delita

delita was actually the most successful villain that i know of

if kefka wasnt memorable as hell, i'd vote for delita
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gunplagirl posted...

SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne couldn't even see Very until Cid died and Venat made Vayne his "familiar" or whatever the ultimania described it as.

Venat still controlled the situation regardless of Vaynes knowledge of Venats existence. I mean, that's what God's do. Cid wouldn't have learned to make those stones without her knowledge and thus Vayne would have no knowledge. And the occuria were known to control people with them. It wasnt until Vayne and Cid learned of the nethicite that their empire started to go to war so you know Venat was the one pulling the strings.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne literally couldn't even see or hear Venat until after Dr Cid died

Also the story makes a bit more sense if you think of it as a WW2 analogy.

Vayne = Truman, Dr Cid = Oppenheimer, Nabudis = Hiroshima, Ashe is the representative of the conquered Japanese national spirit who goes on this revenge quest to acquire nukes (nethicite / deicite) and finally gets them but ultimately chooses not to use them because it's wrong and achieves her victory some other way.

the occuria is communism of which the fear of it is why Vayne and Dr. Cid deployed the nethicite in the first place.

But it was Venat who showed Cid how to make nethicite and the Vayne and archadia in general seemingly had no ambition until they knew of the stone and its power.
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SailorGoon posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

SailorGoon posted...

Wtf, Vayne was lame as fuck
His ambitions were hardly his own. Venat was the one who influenced him to seize power and was the one to give them the knowledge of the stones of power. Pretty sure Vayne was nothing more than a mere puppet in the grand scheme of things. He couldn't have gotten as far as he did without Venat intervening.

Now Gabranth. That was a man with a motive.

Vayne literally couldn't even see or hear Venat until after Dr Cid died

Also the story makes a bit more sense if you think of it as a WW2 analogy.

Vayne = Truman, Dr Cid = Oppenheimer, Nabudis = Hiroshima, Ashe is the representative of the conquered Japanese national spirit who goes on this revenge quest to acquire nukes (nethicite / deicite) and finally gets them but ultimately chooses not to use them because it's wrong and achieves her victory some other way.

the occuria is communism of which the fear of it is why Vayne and Dr. Cid deployed the nethicite in the first place.

But it was Venat who showed Cid how to make nethicite and the Vayne and archadia in general seemingly had no ambition until they knew of the stone and its power.

I mean, about 5 years prior to Cid making contact with the occurria Vayne had already killed several of his siblings who had started an uprising. So there's a chance that he had decided to set his eyes upon the throne at that point. The judges and Vayne speak in-game at least twice of how there had been battles between members of House Solidor, and that by the events of FFXII proper, it was just the two of them. Since it was about 5 years after Cid and venat hatched their plan but 10 years after Vayne first started to kill rivals for the throne in the name of the empire, well. Two birds, one stone, ramp up the timeline. And then by xii proper, events made it so he couldn't wait any longer for the emperor to pass, and he had to do so before the Senate could appoint Larsa as members who supported Larsa usually did so because
1) he's innocent, hadn't killed siblings, might be a good leader or at least not bloodthirsty
2) young and naive, easy enough to control
3) young and inexperienced, meaning a perfect chance to pursue their own goals in the years they would have been acting more in place of him as a proper leader

And we all remember how vayne blamed the emperor's death on the Senate and had them all killed.
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I really don't understand why people like Ardyn. I get that his backstory that isn't in the game is cool and he looks very Kefka-esque and he seemed somewhat competent in Kingsglaive. But his presence in the actual game is terrible. First time you meet him he is acting like a smelly hobo at the harbor, second time he just instructs you in-world in how the "follow Ardyn's car" minigame works and its as cringy as when Balthier tries to give an in-world explanation of gambits in FF12. Then after Titan he rescues you and is like "oh also im the nibelsnarf chancellor. How does that work? Why am I helping you? Did actual humans write this dumb story? Stop asking pertinent questions!" I don't even remember the next time he pops up in the story. Is it on the train when he does some illusion magic that makes Noctis push his lover off? (<s>Actually I guess he just pops up and kills luna, which doesnt matter in the slightest, but whatever</s>) and then he's a fucking voice over as you go through chapter 13, the worst thing that has ever happened to video games, rather than having an actual presence in the chapter that would require Square to actually animate him and give him some relation with Noctis. And then he sits in Insomnia for 15 years and waits for Noctis to come kill him or something.

It's just the worst.

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Marche
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Conflict posted...

You grossly overrate FF9

You can't overrate the best video game ever made. You'd have to give it more praise than is possible.

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Kefka is the most overrated villain in the world.

People only think Kefka is a great villain because it reminds them of Joker, and the truth is a lot of people don't even know Kefka's true origin.

Kefka is thirty-five years old and Emperor Gestahl's right-hand man. He joined the Empire and if anything is he was just an above average soldier that rose through the ranks. At least sixteen years ago Kefka was the first experimental Magitek Knight, which gifted him magical power, but shattered his sanity as the process had not been perfected yet. Kefka became a cruel, destructive madman, and acquired a reputation as one of the most dangerous men in the Gestahlian Empire. Gestahlian thought it was a success. About six years after the procedure, the imperial military was restructured with Kefka and Leo being involved.

So you see Kefka was not some dude who had some dream and came up with strong long and in-depth plan to be come the all mighty God of Magic. He's not a rags to riches. He was literally brain damaged and went insane and re-imaged everything to be destruction and the Empire rode his wave. He literally YOLO everything. Stop tryna make it sound like he was something more than he not.

"B-b-b-but he became the God of Magic and destroyed the world!"
Yes he did but he just pushed some statutes around. It wasn't even some master plan. He was just there and decided to do it out of desparation! Like I said, he YOLO'd everything.

"B-b-b-but he killed an entire kingdom by poisoning their water supply! THAT'S VILE AND MAKES HIM THE BEST VILLAIN EVAR!!!!!!!"
Yes that is very vile and a very villainous thing to do, but that alone doesn't make him the best. Other villains has done similar things such as destroyed an entire town, do we call them the best villain just for that? Sheesh....

"B-b-but he actually succeeded in taking over the world no villain has ever done that before dude"
Yes he did but again, let's look at the context on how he did it. He didn't start off as some almighty strong person who did what he wanted, he was just lucky in his situation. At least Joker was a criminal genius, manipulative mastermind and a genius in biochemistry. Kefka is nothing close to that.

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FFX spoilers

Come on, its gotta be that bastard Seymour Guado. The game does a great job of making you absolutely hating him. This is before youre even made to witness all of his evil deeds. Killing his father, forcing you to kill him so he can turn Yevon against you, having you put to death, killing Kinoc and the Ronso... All of this, to become Sin - the embodiment of death itself.

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