Current Events > Car makers tell Trump and EPA to fuck off. Will follow California standards

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/454674-automakers-sideline-trump-strike-fuel-efficiency-deal-with

Looks like a recipe for a Trump Twitter Tantrum.
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Cool?
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what's his reasoning for opposing the CA standard? "please pollute more"?

Shuto-uke posted...

what's his reasoning for opposing the CA standard? "please pollute more"?

I think the reasoning was that it was overly-ambitious, and companies couldn't hit the goal.

That being said, glad to see that some of the manufacturers (even if only 30% for now) are going to be able to improve to that level.
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If auto makers want to go to 50mpg, why do they need to make a deal with California?
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I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

This would be a lot easier to swallow if high efficient cars were affordable.
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Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

I think you're misrepresenting what's going on here. Nobody cares about California having their own standard. The problem became that President Obama decided to mandate the national standard to be whatever CARB wanted.

There is no need for that. If carmakers want to make their cars hit a higher standard, they can go right ahead - that's a good thing. I do, however, don't see a need for federal mandates to mirror California.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

California has no right to make federal standards, so....
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CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

Less people buying the newer cars because they are more expensive wouldn't effect fuel demand.
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darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

California has no right to make federal standards, so....

California makes standards for its own state and some other states choose to adopt it.

Republicans dont like that

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

Ah, if that's the case then 50 is a bit optimistic. 40 would be more attainable.

Also I don't know why, but I was just reminded of the guy who would daily an F-750* pick-up. Spent 500+ in gas every week. Didn't even haul anything, just used it to commute and everything else a FIAT 500 could do... simply because he could.

what a champ

*Just realised it was actually a 750, either way it was unneeded.

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

California has no right to make federal standards, so....

California makes standards for its own state and some other states choose to adopt it.

Republicans dont like that

Well, they really can't do anything about it, so what's your point?

Also, no other state adopts CARB standards. That's why there are 'California-only' models and '49-state' models.
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c-c-....CALIFORNIA!?NOOOOOO!!!
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darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I don't... get it.

If they just make it fine for CA, then it's fine for the rest. Makes more sense than to have what they've done for a long time and have a CA engine, NA engine, and errbody else engine. Usually it just comes down to the ecu, but there could be other differences.

There's a reason why some never even made it to america, because who needs bumpers and emission restrictions.

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

California has no right to make federal standards, so....

California makes standards for its own state and some other states choose to adopt it.

Republicans dont like that

Well, they really can't do anything about it, so what's your point?

Also, no other state adopts CARB standards. That's why there are 'California-only' models and '49-state' models.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_emission_standards

Due to its preexisting standards and particularly severe motor vehicle air pollution problems in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, the U.S. state of California has special dispensation from the federal government to promulgate its own automobile emissions standards. Other states may choose to follow either the national standard or the stricter California standards. The states that have adopted the California standards are: Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year and later), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia.[1][2][3] Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.

The EPA has adopted the California emissions standards as a national standard by the 2016 model year[4] and is collaborating with California regulators on stricter national emissions standards for model years 20172025.[5]

California doing the lords work once again
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CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

darkjedilink posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Purple_Cheetah posted...

Republicans: LA and China have bad smog! Terrible places

California: puts in standards to lower air emissions in its state

Republicans: No stoppppp

It wouldn't do much to lower air emissions. The cars with higher fuel economy doesn't reduce emissions that much. Plus new cars that get 50 mpg are a lot more expensive than new cars that get 35 mpg, so less people will buy these cars and just stick with older, less safe, less efficient cars.

You also realize that means less consumption which means less emissions in the creation of the fuel right?

Its also not just about this rule but Trump is trying to remove California making rules period

California has no right to make federal standards, so....

California makes standards for its own state and some other states choose to adopt it.

Republicans dont like that

Well, they really can't do anything about it, so what's your point?

Also, no other state adopts CARB standards. That's why there are 'California-only' models and '49-state' models.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_emission_standards

Due to its preexisting standards and particularly severe motor vehicle air pollution problems in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, the U.S. state of California has special dispensation from the federal government to promulgate its own automobile emissions standards. Other states may choose to follow either the national standard or the stricter California standards. The states that have adopted the California standards are: Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year and later), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia.[1][2][3] Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.

The EPA has adopted the California emissions standards as a national standard by the 2016 model year[4] and is collaborating with California regulators on stricter national emissions standards for model years 20172025.[5]

djl just making up bullshit again? I'm SHOCKED.
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More regulations are inevitable, might as well prepare

Its not even a political decision, its just common sense
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the ONLY reason LA and most of CALI doesnt look like MEXICO CITY is our CLEAN AIR ACT

so if you like breathing air that wont instantly kill you, you should support this
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E32005 posted...

so if you like breathing air that wont instantly kill you, you should support this

psh fuck that liberal nonsense. *dying to own the libs*
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The automakers are colluding on this because it will allow them to raise prices on cars.
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