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Darmik 07/24/19 6:25:31 PM #101:	OctilIery posted... Because he never said either option is OK, or even implied it. Darmik posted... Don't beat your girlfriend, wife or ex folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no 'emotional' justification for it. Offworlder1 posted... Darmik posted... Don't cheat on your your partner folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no justification for it. Fixed that for you. Stop embarassing yourself --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925136163] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Because he never said either option is OK, or even implied it.</quote> Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Don't beat your girlfriend, wife or ex folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no 'emotional' justification for it.</quote> Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Don't cheat on your your partner folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no justification for it.</quote> Fixed that for you.</quote> Stop embarassing yourself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 07/24/19 6:26:24 PM #103:	Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Because he never said either option is OK, or even implied it. Darmik posted... Don't beat your girlfriend, wife or ex folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no 'emotional' justification for it. Offworlder1 posted... Darmik posted... Don't cheat on your your partner folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no justification for it. Fixed that for you. Stop embarassing yourself I'm not. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925136210] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Because he never said either option is OK, or even implied it.</quote> Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Don't beat your girlfriend, wife or ex folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no 'emotional' justification for it.</quote> Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Don't cheat on your your partner folks. Not a hard thing for yourself or others to follow. There is no justification for it.</quote> Fixed that for you.</quote> Stop embarassing yourself</quote> I'm not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 07/24/19 6:28:38 PM #104:	garan posted... scar the 1 posted... garan posted... So no, TC, it isn't just men that would benefit from this law. Luckily I never said that just men can benefit from this law. scar the 1 posted... When the context is that women are overwhelmingly more often victims of domestic violence, the end result of a legal precedent like this is that it favors men. And that's ultimately the point - you don't judge it based on intentions, you judge it based on its effect. If the effect is that it favors men, it's a patriarchal structure. According to you, women are overwhelmingly more often the victims of domestic violence, but that is not true. And you cherry picked a stat that makes it look like men and women a nearly equal in terms of being victims. The full statistics paint a different picture from the 1 in 3 women vs 1 in 4 men you stated. That can refer to very minor incidents. I will provide a link to the full stats since you neglected to do so: https://ncadv.org/statistics --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:925136320] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>garan posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>garan posted...</cite> <quote>So no, TC, it isn't just men that would benefit from this law.</quote> Luckily I never said that just men can benefit from this law.</quote> scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>When the context is that women are overwhelmingly more often victims of domestic violence, the end result of a legal precedent like this is that it favors men. And that's ultimately the point - you don't judge it based on intentions, you judge it based on its effect. If the effect is that it favors men, it's a patriarchal structure. </quote> According to you, women are overwhelmingly more often the victims of domestic violence, but that is not true.</quote> And you cherry picked a stat that makes it look like men and women a nearly equal in terms of being victims. The full statistics paint a different picture from the 1 in 3 women vs 1 in 4 men you stated. That can refer to very minor incidents. I will provide a link to the full stats since you neglected to do so: https://ncadv.org/statistics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balnazarr 07/24/19 6:31:09 PM #106:	Offworlder1 posted... I think shockthemonkey is either very sheltered, or trolling at this point. Beating your wife because she cheated? You're the troll you piece of shit. <cite>Balnazarr posted [p:925136434] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>I think shockthemonkey is either very sheltered, or trolling at this point.</quote> Beating your wife because she cheated? You're the troll you piece of shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/24/19 6:36:41 PM #107:	OctilIery posted... Bio1590 posted... Well I'd never thought I'd have to type "Supports Spousal Abuse" into the Tag box and yet here we are. Who is supporting it? It was literally on the first fucking page in Post 32 man, jesus fuck. Offworder just got Warned for it. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:925136693] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Well I'd never thought I'd have to type "Supports Spousal Abuse" into the Tag box and yet here we are.</quote> Who is supporting it?</quote> It was literally on the first fucking page in Post 32 man, jesus fuck. Offworder just got Warned for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 07/24/19 6:41:23 PM #108:	scar the 1 posted... since most domestic abuse is done by men on women Incorrect. Women are just more likely to report it. --- FFX is the best game of all time. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB . Germany and Great Britain should have been on the same side in WW2. <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:925136912] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>since most domestic abuse is done by men on women</quote> Incorrect. Women are just more likely to report it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 07/24/19 9:05:15 PM #110:	shockthemonkey posted... Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925142753] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: <quote>I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault</quote></quote> It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 07/24/19 9:16:45 PM #112:	What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925143202] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 07/24/19 9:17:19 PM #113:	booboy posted... I'm curious, what is the current tally in Sweden of men using this law, vs women using this law, since the precedent case there was established? EDIT: Also curious on the breakdown of heterosexual vs homosexual instances. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:925143225] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm curious, what is the current tally in Sweden of men using this law, vs women using this law, since the precedent case there was established? EDIT: Also curious on the breakdown of heterosexual vs homosexual instances.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 9:17:44 PM #114:	shockthemonkey posted... OctilIery posted... shockthemonkey posted... Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances. Explain them. Just like explain some basic scenarios where you think this should apply in regards to killing a partner after they cheated. Well voluntary manslaughter is a thing. Say you had some previous trauma you're dealing with, and your partner reveals she's been cheating and rubs it in just to hurt you. Doesn't make attacking them right, but it makes it understandable that they made a poor decision, so the charge should be less than that of someone with less mitigating circumstances. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143245] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: <quote>I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault</quote></quote> It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances.</quote> Explain them. Just like explain some basic scenarios where you think this should apply in regards to killing a partner after they cheated.</quote> Well voluntary manslaughter is a thing. Say you had some previous trauma you're dealing with, and your partner reveals she's been cheating and rubs it in just to hurt you. Doesn't make attacking them right, but it makes it understandable that they made a poor decision, so the charge should be less than that of someone with less mitigating circumstances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 9:18:30 PM #115:	Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143277] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 07/24/19 9:21:02 PM #117:	shockthemonkey posted... So pre-existing trauma should play into the sentencing, when else should cheating lessen the sentencing? The cheating doesn't lessen the sentencing, the fact that your average person will not be rational after an event like that lessens the sentencing. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143366] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>So pre-existing trauma should play into the sentencing, when else should cheating lessen the sentencing?</quote> The cheating doesn't lessen the sentencing, the fact that your average person will not be rational after an event like that lessens the sentencing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 9:21:04 PM #118:	OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925143367] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 9:22:04 PM #119:	Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially Nope try again. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143404] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> Nope try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 9:23:26 PM #120:	OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially Nope try again. What is your answer? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925143448] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> Nope try again.</quote> What is your answer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 9:24:46 PM #121:	Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially Nope try again. What is your answer? The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143505] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> Nope try again.</quote> What is your answer?</quote> The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 9:26:27 PM #122:	OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially Nope try again. What is your answer? The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that. The average person is going to be upset and irrational after being dumped too no? What circumstances change things? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925143563] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> Nope try again.</quote> What is your answer?</quote> The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that.</quote> The average person is going to be upset and irrational after being dumped too no? What circumstances change things?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 07/24/19 9:28:07 PM #124:	Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... OctilIery posted... Darmik posted... What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues? Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person? All of them potentially Nope try again. What is your answer? The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that. The average person is going to be upset and irrational after being dumped too no? What circumstances change things? Honestly, no, the average person wouldn't be close to violence after being dumped. Cheated on is different, it's much more personal, and can be much more of an attack. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143622] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>What justifies violence caused by extreme anger? Cheating? Being dumped? Not having dinner ready after coming home from work? Just being a person with anger management issues?</quote> Which of those would cause an extreme reaction in the average person?</quote> All of them potentially</quote> Nope try again.</quote> What is your answer?</quote> The average person is going to be extremely upset and irrational after being cheated. Not enough for violence, but circumstances can change that.</quote> The average person is going to be upset and irrational after being dumped too no? What circumstances change things?</quote> Honestly, no, the average person wouldn't be close to violence after being dumped. Cheated on is different, it's much more personal, and can be much more of an attack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 9:29:09 PM #125:	shockthemonkey posted... OctilIery posted... shockthemonkey posted... So pre-existing trauma should play into the sentencing, when else should cheating lessen the sentencing? The cheating doesn't lessen the sentencing, the fact that your average person will not be rational after an event like that lessens the sentencing. This is a specific precedent where cheating lessens the sentencing, try to keep up. Is preexisting trauma the only scenario you can think of? I just gave one don't need to do more. And no I've kept up just fine, you just keep trying to distort the discussion. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925143663] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>So pre-existing trauma should play into the sentencing, when else should cheating lessen the sentencing?</quote> The cheating doesn't lessen the sentencing, the fact that your average person will not be rational after an event like that lessens the sentencing.</quote> This is a specific precedent where cheating lessens the sentencing, try to keep up. Is preexisting trauma the only scenario you can think of?</quote> I just gave one don't need to do more. And no I've kept up just fine, you just keep trying to distort the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 07/24/19 9:31:12 PM #126:	Normal people: "it's never ok to beat up your partner, and there's no scenario where it can be considered acceptable or excusable" CEmen: "I disagree!" --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:925143742] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Normal people: "it's never ok to beat up your partner, and there's no scenario where it can be considered acceptable or excusable" CEmen: "I disagree!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/24/19 9:31:24 PM #127:	I don't even need to read through this topic to know that it should be nuked from orbit --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:925143749] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>I don't even need to read through this topic to know that it should be nuked from orbit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 07/24/19 9:32:59 PM #128:	UnholyMudcrab posted... I don't even need to read through this topic to know that it should be nuked from orbit Some people think it's important that we really examine both sides of spousal abuse, apparently --- please https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:925143832] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even need to read through this topic to know that it should be nuked from orbit</quote> Some people think it's important that we really examine both sides of spousal abuse, apparently</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 9:33:07 PM #129:	OctilIery posted... Honestly, no, the average person wouldn't be close to violence after being dumped. Cheated on is different, it's much more personal, and can be much more of an attack. What are you basing this on? So is this being about "being irrationally upset' or "being close to violence"? Because I would say the average person would be irrationally upset if they were cheated on or dumped. I don't think the average person would turn violent if they were cheated on. So I'm not sure what conclusion you're trying to reach here. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925143839] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, no, the average person wouldn't be close to violence after being dumped. Cheated on is different, it's much more personal, and can be much more of an attack.</quote> What are you basing this on? So is this being about "being irrationally upset' or "being close to violence"? Because I would say the average person would be irrationally upset if they were cheated on or dumped. I don't think the average person would turn violent if they were cheated on. So I'm not sure what conclusion you're trying to reach here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 07/24/19 9:49:05 PM #131:	OctilIery posted... shockthemonkey posted... Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances. Can you list some examples of common situations where people tend to beat other people without being really angry at them? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:925144476] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: <quote>I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault</quote></quote> It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances.</quote> Can you list some examples of common situations where people tend to beat other people without being really angry at them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 07/24/19 9:53:20 PM #132:	Husband cheats on his wife. Wife cuts off his penis as a result of irrational thinking over emotional trauma. Should the wife get leniency due to circumstances? I am curious as to what the people excusing spousal abuse think on this scenario. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:925144640] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Husband cheats on his wife. Wife cuts off his penis as a result of irrational thinking over emotional trauma. Should the wife get leniency due to circumstances? I am curious as to what the people excusing spousal abuse think on this scenario.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 07/24/19 9:54:26 PM #133:	OctilIery posted... shockthemonkey posted... OctilIery posted... shockthemonkey posted... Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances. Explain them. Just like explain some basic scenarios where you think this should apply in regards to killing a partner after they cheated. Well voluntary manslaughter is a thing. Say you had some previous trauma you're dealing with, and your partner reveals she's been cheating and rubs it in just to hurt you. Doesn't make attacking them right, but it makes it understandable that they made a poor decision, so the charge should be less than that of someone with less mitigating circumstances. Voluntary manslaughter just means no pre-meditation or intent specifically to kill. I don't see what that has to do with this conversation. What parallel are you trying to draw? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:925144695] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Still waiting on @OctilIery to explain these situations: <quote>I can definitely think of situations where learning you were cheated on can justify reducing sentencing for domestic assault</quote></quote> It isn't hard to imagine. Any time a reasonable person would be driven to extreme anger, it's reasonable to consider that into sentencing. Just like you'd consider intent, harm done, the person's history, and any number of other circumstances. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the majority of cases, but in such an emotionally charged situation there are definitely going to be mitigating circumstances.</quote> Explain them. Just like explain some basic scenarios where you think this should apply in regards to killing a partner after they cheated.</quote> Well voluntary manslaughter is a thing. Say you had some previous trauma you're dealing with, and your partner reveals she's been cheating and rubs it in just to hurt you. Doesn't make attacking them right, but it makes it understandable that they made a poor decision, so the charge should be less than that of someone with less mitigating circumstances.</quote> Voluntary manslaughter just means no pre-meditation or intent specifically to kill. I don't see what that has to do with this conversation. What parallel are you trying to draw?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/24/19 10:24:14 PM #134:	Machete posted... Voluntary manslaughter just means no pre-meditation or intent specifically to kill. No, it doesn't. Voluntary manslaughter is where you meant to do severe damage or kill in circumstances where any reasonable person could be made unreasonable. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925145896] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted...</cite> <quote>Voluntary manslaughter just means no pre-meditation or intent specifically to kill.</quote> No, it doesn't. Voluntary manslaughter is where you meant to do severe damage or kill in circumstances where any reasonable person could be made unreasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 07/24/19 10:53:02 PM #135:	I guess I can't say I'm okay with this without getting modded for being offensive. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:925147006] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>I guess I can't say I'm okay with this without getting modded for being offensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 10:56:15 PM #136:	Yeah saying that women shouldn't be surprised if they are assaulted for cheating is going to get you modded. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925147133] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Yeah saying that women shouldn't be surprised if they are assaulted for cheating is going to get you modded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 07/24/19 11:03:18 PM #137:	Darmik posted... Yeah saying that women shouldn't be surprised if they are assaulted for cheating is going to get you modded. I didn't say women, I said spouse. It's weird that you default to women. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:925147391] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah saying that women shouldn't be surprised if they are assaulted for cheating is going to get you modded.</quote> I didn't say women, I said spouse. It's weird that you default to women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/24/19 11:04:58 PM #138:	Sorry for not remembering a post I read several hours ago that was deleted for a fair moderation. Doesn't matter if it's women or spouse. Changes nothing. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925147454] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Sorry for not remembering a post I read several hours ago that was deleted for a fair moderation. Doesn't matter if it's women or spouse. Changes nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/24/19 11:18:59 PM #139:	Well that's another one for the tag --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:925147962] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>Well that's another one for the tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/25/19 2:21:45 AM #140:	ImmatureContent posted... Husband cheats on his wife. Wife cuts off his penis as a result of irrational thinking over emotional trauma. Should the wife get leniency due to circumstances? I am curious as to what the people excusing spousal abuse think on this scenario. Wtf? Of course not. Esrac posted... I didn't say women, I said spouse. It's weird that you default to women. It's not super weird, again, since women are more commonly victims of domestic abuse. But to your credit you did say spouse. However much credit that gives. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:925152796] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>ImmatureContent posted...</cite> <quote>Husband cheats on his wife. Wife cuts off his penis as a result of irrational thinking over emotional trauma. Should the wife get leniency due to circumstances? I am curious as to what the people excusing spousal abuse think on this scenario.</quote> Wtf? Of course not. Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't say women, I said spouse. It's weird that you default to women.</quote> It's not super weird, again, since women are more commonly victims of domestic abuse. But to your credit you did say spouse. However much credit that gives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 07/25/19 2:45:40 AM #141:	That question wasn't intended for you. It was aimed at those defending this Swedish practice of leniency for violence against a cheating partner under the reasoning of extenuating circumstances. --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:925153260] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>That question wasn't intended for you. It was aimed at those defending this Swedish practice of leniency for violence against a cheating partner under the reasoning of extenuating circumstances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/25/19 3:57:07 AM #142:	ImmatureContent posted... That question wasn't intended for you. It was aimed at those defending this Swedish practice of leniency for violence against a cheating partner under the reasoning of extenuating circumstances. Oh sorry I'm dumb --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:925154371] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>ImmatureContent posted...</cite> <quote>That question wasn't intended for you. It was aimed at those defending this Swedish practice of leniency for violence against a cheating partner under the reasoning of extenuating circumstances.</quote> Oh sorry I'm dumb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 07/25/19 4:03:16 AM #143:	I guess some leniency with the understanding that its an emotional situation that would drive an otherwise stable individual to act like an animal? Seems far too easy to abuse, though, so I think Id prefer a more draconian measure with some wiggle room for sentencing --- ultimate milf hunter https://imgur.com/lCEdce6 https://imgur.com/2N1Ezia https://imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:925154460] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>I guess some leniency with the understanding that its an emotional situation that would drive an otherwise stable individual to act like an animal? Seems far too easy to abuse, though, so I think Id prefer a more draconian measure with some wiggle room for sentencing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 07/25/19 11:33:32 AM #144:	I don't see the problem. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 5 star review, IndieReader approved: https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N/dp/1973143763/ <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:925164192] in In Sweden,... [t:77885820]...</cite> <quote>I don't see the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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