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FrankGoreHOF
07/12/19 2:48:04 AM
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800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people
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Holy_Cloud105
07/12/19 2:52:03 AM
#52:


FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

You can build a computer better than the PS5 for $800. It's a literal waste of money.
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FrankGoreHOF
07/12/19 2:54:06 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

You can build a computer better than the PS5 for $800. It's a literal waste of money.

And you can build computers better than the ps4 for its sale price

Point?
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Holy_Cloud105
07/12/19 2:56:14 AM
#54:


FrankGoreHOF posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

You can build a computer better than the PS5 for $800. It's a literal waste of money.

And you can build computers better than the ps4 for its sale price

Point?

It's not a "great rig" if you can get something better for the same price.
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FrankGoreHOF
07/12/19 3:00:20 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

You can build a computer better than the PS5 for $800. It's a literal waste of money.

And you can build computers better than the ps4 for its sale price

Point?

It's not a "great rig" if you can get something better for the same price.

Why not?
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Rika_Furude
07/12/19 3:26:14 AM
#56:


FrankGoreHOF posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

You can build a computer better than the PS5 for $800. It's a literal waste of money.

And you can build computers better than the ps4 for its sale price

Point?

It's not a "great rig" if you can get something better for the same price.

Why not?

Because by definition its inferior
There has never ever been a single console that could be described as a "great rig" unless it was a PC
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pres_madagascar
07/12/19 3:35:31 AM
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FrankGoreHOF posted...
800 isn't that much for a great rig? How poor are people

Uh, a lot of people can't afford $500-$1000 on non essential entertainment shit right now dude.
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pres_madagascar
07/12/19 3:36:59 AM
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Tbqh, both of the new consoles are going to struggle at first. People just don't really have that kind of money for something like that right now. And again, if we hit a recession in the next year or two like they're predicting, it'll be even worse.
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Foppe
07/12/19 3:37:33 AM
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>Michael Pachter

How can he still have a job?
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Powdered_Toast
07/12/19 3:46:00 AM
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Sony confirmed for winning next gen.
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Solar_Crimson
07/12/19 7:57:38 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Sony censoring everything harder than Nintendo ever has will kill Sony

Censorship isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.

Kolibri X posted...
I don't see how Sony is targeting "hardcore gamers" with their censorship and SJW pandering.

Probably because the gamers that actually care about that stuff are a vocal minority.
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Jagr_68
07/12/19 8:49:17 AM
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Darmik posted...
Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter recently...


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sylverlolol
07/12/19 12:56:46 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
We have more room here in the PC Master Race if yall want more bang for your buck.

More bang for that $1500+ pc yeeeeeeee buddy


Typically, you can get more power from a PC than you would of a given console, given the same budget.

Near the end of a console gen, sure, once part prices come down and the budget GPUs that compete with the top of the line stuff from a few years back...but that straight up doesn't happen for much of a console generation. You're almost always going to be spending at least double that for a good chunk of a console's life to get equivalent performance.
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Rika_Furude
07/12/19 9:15:02 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Sony censoring everything harder than Nintendo ever has will kill Sony

Censorship isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.

Kolibri X posted...
I don't see how Sony is targeting "hardcore gamers" with their censorship and SJW pandering.

Probably because the gamers that actually care about that stuff are a vocal minority.

Theres is literally zero excuse for censorship. Theres not a single valid reason for it to exist.
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Rika_Furude
07/12/19 9:16:14 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
We have more room here in the PC Master Race if yall want more bang for your buck.

More bang for that $1500+ pc yeeeeeeee buddy


Typically, you can get more power from a PC than you would of a given console, given the same budget.

Near the end of a console gen, sure, once part prices come down and the budget GPUs that compete with the top of the line stuff from a few years back...but that straight up doesn't happen for much of a console generation. You're almost always going to be spending at least double that for a good chunk of a console's life to get equivalent performance.

This isnt true. There is never any point in any consoles life where you cant build a better PC for cheaper. Not even at launch. Not even before launch.
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Master_Bass
07/12/19 9:17:08 PM
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Darmik posted...
Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter

Stopped reading there.
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lilORANG
07/12/19 9:22:05 PM
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There's no way. After 599 US Dollars became a meme they can't possibly be trying to one up themselves. This is bs.
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TomNook20
07/12/19 9:24:02 PM
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Master_Bass posted...
Darmik posted...
Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter

Stopped reading there.

I remember this guy was a thing like back when I first posted on this site and actually gave a shit about the gaming industry. Can't believe he's still around.
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mooreandrew58
07/12/19 9:27:52 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
We have more room here in the PC Master Race if yall want more bang for your buck.

More bang for that $1500+ pc yeeeeeeee buddy


Typically, you can get more power from a PC than you would of a given console, given the same budget.

Near the end of a console gen, sure, once part prices come down and the budget GPUs that compete with the top of the line stuff from a few years back...but that straight up doesn't happen for much of a console generation. You're almost always going to be spending at least double that for a good chunk of a console's life to get equivalent performance.

This isnt true. There is never any point in any consoles life where you cant build a better PC for cheaper. Not even at launch. Not even before launch.


So i could build a amazing gaming pc for 250? Cause thats what I paid for my ps4. And yes I bought it new just not at launch.
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DarkRoast
07/12/19 9:33:48 PM
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How has nobody noticed that TC didn't link to CNN, he linked to "CCN"
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RosaOverRydia
07/12/19 9:58:08 PM
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How will sony make lots of money on game sales when only 3 people will buy a PS5 at that price.
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TomNook20
07/12/19 9:59:27 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
How has nobody noticed that TC didn't link to CNN, he linked to "CCN"

Post number 6
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Reis
07/12/19 9:59:43 PM
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Sony trying hard as fuck to be more incompetent than Nintendo lmao
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Rika_Furude
07/13/19 12:21:26 AM
#74:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
We have more room here in the PC Master Race if yall want more bang for your buck.

More bang for that $1500+ pc yeeeeeeee buddy


Typically, you can get more power from a PC than you would of a given console, given the same budget.

Near the end of a console gen, sure, once part prices come down and the budget GPUs that compete with the top of the line stuff from a few years back...but that straight up doesn't happen for much of a console generation. You're almost always going to be spending at least double that for a good chunk of a console's life to get equivalent performance.

This isnt true. There is never any point in any consoles life where you cant build a better PC for cheaper. Not even at launch. Not even before launch.


So i could build a amazing gaming pc for 250? Cause thats what I paid for my ps4. And yes I bought it new just not at launch.

how long did you wait to buy it? yes you could buy older pc components on sale that are better than a ps4 on sale
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Shablagoo
07/13/19 12:28:55 AM
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This is good news, frankly. I mean that they are pulling out the stops to make a quality machine.

Abiz_ posted...
www.ccn.com <wtf is this.

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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 12:49:19 AM
#76:


Rika_Furude posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
sylverlolol posted...
Evening_Dragon posted...
We have more room here in the PC Master Race if yall want more bang for your buck.

More bang for that $1500+ pc yeeeeeeee buddy


Typically, you can get more power from a PC than you would of a given console, given the same budget.

Near the end of a console gen, sure, once part prices come down and the budget GPUs that compete with the top of the line stuff from a few years back...but that straight up doesn't happen for much of a console generation. You're almost always going to be spending at least double that for a good chunk of a console's life to get equivalent performance.

This isnt true. There is never any point in any consoles life where you cant build a better PC for cheaper. Not even at launch. Not even before launch.


So i could build a amazing gaming pc for 250? Cause thats what I paid for my ps4. And yes I bought it new just not at launch.

how long did you wait to buy it? yes you could buy older pc components on sale that are better than a ps4 on sale


It wasnt on sale as far as im aware just ps4 had been out a year or two by that point. Maybe a little over 2 years. My brother has a 2000 dollar pc and honestly I'm not that impressed with the differences. And his pc was designed to be a gaming PC. So im somehow doubting that when i bought my ps4 I could have bought or built a pc for 250 that was worth a shit for gaming. And having to buikd it would definitely be a deal breaker for me. It could be easy as hell but there are things id rather be doing with my time. ps4s performance is good enough for me

Also to add onto the bit about id rather do other things with my time I worked 12+ hour shifts 6 days a week when I bought my ps4 so yeah i didnt exactly have a lot of free time on my hands to tinker with something I dont know a lot about. And now I'm about to start a job that will be 13 hours a day minimum (I understand mandatory overtime happens a lot) 5 days a week.
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Lost_All_Senses
07/13/19 3:39:35 AM
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If anything, this price is just to make it seem a lil better when it's actually 600$ again. Everyone is already discussing it, so now in comparison 500-600$ looks way better. I can't afford it either way and don't really care.
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Irony
07/13/19 3:40:52 AM
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Didn't Pachter say the PS4 was gonna flop lol?
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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 3:47:41 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
If anything, this price is just to make it seem a lil better when it's actually 600$ again. Everyone is already discussing it, so now in comparison 500-600$ looks way better. I can't afford it either way and don't really care.


Just like with any new console I'll wait for a price drop or buy used. Hope what I heard is right though and that they plan to slowly phase ps4 out as in they'll continue releasing games for it for a decent while after ps5 releases. I dont see why not as ps5 players will still be able to play them if its truly bc like they claim it will be.
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Foppe
07/13/19 4:53:44 AM
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Irony posted...
Didn't Pachter say the PS4 was gonna flop lol?

He said that strategy games doesnt work on consoles because they are singleplayer and turnbased.
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Tyranthraxus
07/13/19 11:03:15 AM
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Foppe posted...
Irony posted...
Didn't Pachter say the PS4 was gonna flop lol?

He said that strategy games doesnt work on consoles because they are singleplayer and turnbased.

real time strategy*
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UnfairRepresent
07/13/19 11:11:53 AM
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This isn't CNN
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Bio1590
07/13/19 11:17:53 AM
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Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.
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Romes187
07/13/19 11:26:16 AM
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Interesting move and I think itll pay off

Right now it seems game companies are straddling and you usually just end up having everyone hate you when you do that

Up price
Target hardcore gamers
Less customer base
More LTV per customer

As we head into more niched communities, this seems like it could work.

Not saying it will, but it could
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Romes187
07/13/19 11:27:16 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Sounds like overpriced blu rays imo
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Bio1590
07/13/19 11:51:36 AM
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Romes187 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Sounds like overpriced blu rays imo

No you have no idea what you're talking about.

The PS3 was released November 2006 and the pricing was announced at E3 2006.

CES 2006 (January 2006) was the coming-out party for Blu-ray and Blu-ray players started to be released en masse later that year https://www.blu-ray.com/ces2006/

Samsung displayed their upcoming BD player (BD-P1000), which supports 1080p output via HDMI as well as upconversion of DVDs to 1080i/1080p. The player which is likely to be the first Blu-ray player on the market is scheduled for US release in April 2006 and will retail for about $1,000.


LG displayed their BD player (BD199), which supports 1080p output via HDMI and upconversion of DVDs to 1080i/1080p. The player is scheduled for US release in Q2 2006 and will retail for less than $1,000.
(The BD199 never ended up being released)

Like essentially when the PS3 was released it was the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market.
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CreekCo
07/13/19 12:08:40 PM
#87:


EverDownward posted...
SubtletyRefuge posted...
lmao $800. Did they learn nothing from the Xbone and their own PS3s launch? Hope Sony initially crashes. They need the humility lesson.

This shit is cyclical, it repeats. Hubris is never actually learned, not totally anyways. PS2 made Sony's head big, PS3 flopped on launch, then the 360 made Xbox/Microsoft big, and then the One flopped on launch. Now, the PS4 made Sony big shits again, and the PS5 will flop on launch they go this strategy.

To quote a certain hack in the film industry: "It's like poetry, it rhymes."


@EverDownward May I ask who the quote is from? Its a good one.
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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 12:30:20 PM
#88:


Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Doesnt mean much when the 360 games looked not much different in the end and was a far cheaper console.
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Bio1590
07/13/19 12:45:35 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Doesnt mean much when the 360 games looked not much different in the end and was a far cheaper console.

Anything that was multi-plat was developed more towards the 360 because it was easier, but the PS3-exclusive games basically blew everything on the 360 away.

That being said, the Blu-Ray player isn't as relevant to graphics.

E: Also when you say "far cheaper" we're talking $200 (for the only launch 360 model that was actually worth it). It also didn't come with a built-in Wifi adapter and if you wanted one of those it was $100 on its own.
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AsucaHayashi
07/13/19 12:52:20 PM
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i'd pay $1000 for a console if it was guaranteed a 10 year lifespan at at least 1080p/60fps and free online.

fuck these poor fuckers who want a premium graphical experience without the balls to pay for it thereby forcing devs to take an immense amount of shortcuts.
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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 12:52:41 PM
#91:


Bio1590 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Doesnt mean much when the 360 games looked not much different in the end and was a far cheaper console.

Anything that was multi-plat was developed more towards the 360 because it was easier, but the PS3-exclusive games basically blew everything on the 360 away.

That being said, the Blu-Ray player isn't as relevant to graphics.

E: Also when you say "far cheaper" we're talking $200 (for the only launch 360 model that was actually worth it). It also didn't come with a built-in Wifi adapter and if you wanted one of those it was $100 on its own.


With that said there was like one fucking exclusive for the ps3 I wanted. And one game isnt gonna a justify a console purchase to me even if said game is one of my favorite series.

Wi fi I never cared about. I didnt play online and I used a ethernet cable or whatever it was called. But on what you say I coulda bought an adapter and it still woulda been cheaper than a ps3
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD
07/13/19 12:56:00 PM
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$8OO fucking dollars!? I'd expect it to give me handys for that price.
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apocalyptic_4
07/13/19 12:57:04 PM
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Every other gen both MS and Sony take turns on being the worst console out of the gate at launch. I see Sony has already planned ahead on repeating the same failed tactics of the ps3 launch.
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Nu_Titan
07/13/19 1:27:03 PM
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I doubt it will be $800 unless Trump increases tariffs a really crazy amount (rip world economy if that happens). They would probably lose a ton of sales if it was $800 better for them if they have a higher adoption rate (even at no profit or a small loss) and charge a bunch for extra optional services/subscriptions.

If it were just me, I would want a killer console even if it cost a lot more. However if it cost too much the adoption rate wouldn't be great and we probably wouldn't see as many releases coming (especially in the early years) and it would probably mostly big AAA sequels or something guaranteed to sell really well.

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Bio1590
07/13/19 1:41:02 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Doesnt mean much when the 360 games looked not much different in the end and was a far cheaper console.

Anything that was multi-plat was developed more towards the 360 because it was easier, but the PS3-exclusive games basically blew everything on the 360 away.

That being said, the Blu-Ray player isn't as relevant to graphics.

E: Also when you say "far cheaper" we're talking $200 (for the only launch 360 model that was actually worth it). It also didn't come with a built-in Wifi adapter and if you wanted one of those it was $100 on its own.


With that said there was like one fucking exclusive for the ps3 I wanted. And one game isnt gonna a justify a console purchase to me even if said game is one of my favorite series.

Wi fi I never cared about. I didnt play online and I used a ethernet cable or whatever it was called. But on what you say I coulda bought an adapter and it still woulda been cheaper than a ps3

And now only by $100 and missing the blu-ray player, HDMI out, a hard drive that's a third of the size, and probably a couple other things I can't think of off the top of my head.
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WesternMedia
07/13/19 1:47:47 PM
#97:


Bio1590 posted...
Anything that was multi-plat was developed more towards the 360 because it was easier, but the PS3-exclusive games basically blew everything on the 360 away.

What exclusives? 360 had Halo, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising, and Bioshock during its launch years. PS3 had ??? I legit cant remember. PS3 was basically just a weeb system until it got TLoU.
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mooreandrew58
07/13/19 1:50:54 PM
#98:


Bio1590 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Darmik posted...
- PS3 $599 US Dollars. You'll want to get a second job to have one

Jesus Christ I know this is a meme but I really wish people understood that when the PS3 came out with a built-in Blu Ray player that stand-alone Blu Ray players were still going for $1000+ by themselves.


Doesnt mean much when the 360 games looked not much different in the end and was a far cheaper console.

Anything that was multi-plat was developed more towards the 360 because it was easier, but the PS3-exclusive games basically blew everything on the 360 away.

That being said, the Blu-Ray player isn't as relevant to graphics.

E: Also when you say "far cheaper" we're talking $200 (for the only launch 360 model that was actually worth it). It also didn't come with a built-in Wifi adapter and if you wanted one of those it was $100 on its own.


With that said there was like one fucking exclusive for the ps3 I wanted. And one game isnt gonna a justify a console purchase to me even if said game is one of my favorite series.

Wi fi I never cared about. I didnt play online and I used a ethernet cable or whatever it was called. But on what you say I coulda bought an adapter and it still woulda been cheaper than a ps3

And now only by $100 and missing the blu-ray player, HDMI out, a hard drive that's a third of the size, and probably a couple other things I can't think of off the top of my head.


Actually never really had any issues with the hard drive size. Didnt run out of space until after I bought a ps4. Then again I didnt really start buying digital until late in the gens life span. Aside from small games like castle crashers anyways.

Most people I know that online game though swear by corded connection over wi fi though. I mean I like having wi fi now that every fucking game has to update damn near it to be playable but I feel I'm in the minority in not playing online games
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8-bit_Biceps
07/13/19 2:25:14 PM
#99:


Fuck CNN
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EverDownward
07/13/19 4:39:45 PM
#100:


CreekCo posted...
EverDownward posted...
SubtletyRefuge posted...
lmao $800. Did they learn nothing from the Xbone and their own PS3s launch? Hope Sony initially crashes. They need the humility lesson.

This shit is cyclical, it repeats. Hubris is never actually learned, not totally anyways. PS2 made Sony's head big, PS3 flopped on launch, then the 360 made Xbox/Microsoft big, and then the One flopped on launch. Now, the PS4 made Sony big shits again, and the PS5 will flop on launch they go this strategy.

To quote a certain hack in the film industry: "It's like poetry, it rhymes."


@EverDownward May I ask who the quote is from? Its a good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0" data-time="

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