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Zenabii
07/08/19 10:45:19 PM
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Why is everyone wanting the women's soccer team to get paid the same as the men's? The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?
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El Mexicano Texano
07/08/19 10:46:45 PM
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Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.
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Fam_Fam
07/08/19 10:47:40 PM
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Zenabii posted...
Why is everyone wanting the women's soccer team to get paid the same as the men's? The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?


so they should want them to make more than the men is what you are saying?
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Fam_Fam
07/08/19 10:48:05 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.


the same place the mens' comes from (or the equivalent if they are separate funds)?
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Hanky_Bannister
07/08/19 10:48:13 PM
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womes is me
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Prismsblade
07/08/19 10:53:12 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.

The mans league can subsidize it obviously. Lower the mans revenue by X% until both genders pay is equal.....sure the guys will be getting screwed over but, at least they achieved equality.
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Antifar
07/08/19 10:55:57 PM
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Zenabii posted...
The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?

Two different sets of figures being described here. You are talking about the share of revenue given out to players at the World Cups by FIFA; the argument is over the salaries paid to the players by the US Soccer Federation. The Women's World Cup does produce less revenue than the Men's tournament, but that's FIFA's revenue. US Soccer gets its revenue largely from other sources.
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El Mexicano Texano
07/08/19 11:03:52 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.

The mans league can subsidize it obviously. Lower the mans revenue by X% until both genders pay is equal.....sure the guys will be getting screwed over but, at least they achieved equality.


That makes no sense that's like you giving a big part of your pay check to a random person you don't even know. No matter how hard you work and accomplish at work won't matter because you would be held back financially because of someone you don't even work with at all....
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OZ_Archangel
07/08/19 11:09:14 PM
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didnt the USA womens team get beaten 5-2 to a mens B or C side? Dont even think that mens team was all pro and they wrecked them so how can they ask for equal pay.

Plus its a bad argument the womens team is far far far superior to the rest of the world and its lopsided like the mens basketball team it just doesnt make sense from an argument standpoint to say they deserve a huge pay day when the game is more a step back rather than revolutionary. The best womans soccer player probably doesnt have the skill set of the mens best top 1000000
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emblem boy
07/08/19 11:14:33 PM
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Antifar posted...
Zenabii posted...
The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?

Two different sets of figures being described here. You are talking about the share of revenue given out to players at the World Cups by FIFA; the argument is over the salaries paid to the players by the US Soccer Federation. The Women's World Cup does produce less revenue than the Men's tournament, but that's FIFA's revenue. US Soccer gets its revenue largely from other sources.


What do the numbers look like for the soccer federation?
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whitelytning
07/08/19 11:15:24 PM
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Yawnnnn.

The women's world cup is over. Can we go back to not caring for another 4 years please.
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Antifar
07/08/19 11:17:41 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Antifar posted...
Zenabii posted...
The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?

Two different sets of figures being described here. You are talking about the share of revenue given out to players at the World Cups by FIFA; the argument is over the salaries paid to the players by the US Soccer Federation. The Women's World Cup does produce less revenue than the Men's tournament, but that's FIFA's revenue. US Soccer gets its revenue largely from other sources.


What do the numbers look like for the soccer federation?

Well,

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

U.S. womens soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. mens games over the past three years.

Thats according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, womens games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than mens games. From 2016 to 2018, womens games generated approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for mens games.

The Journal report notes that the ability of the womens team to generate gate revenues that equals or exceeds the mens team is an important battleground, and central to an ongoing lawsuit filed against the USSF by 28 members of the U.S. womens national soccer team in March.

The lawsuit states if the mens and womens teams won each of the 20 non-tournament games they are contractually required to play, womens team players would earn a maximum of $99,000 ($4,950 per game), while mens team players would earn $263,320 ($13,166 per game). The suit also states that from 2013 to 2016 women players earned $15,000 for making the national team while the men earned $55,000 in 2014 and $68,750 in 2018.

The formal response to the lawsuit by the USSF claims that any differences in pay are based on differences in the aggregate revenue generated by the different teams and/or any other factor other than sex.

According to The Journal, this difference can largely be attributed to ticket sales. The USSF sells broadcast and sponsorship rights for the mens and womens teams together, and as a result, it can be difficult to determine the exact broadcast value of the two teams.

I dont know how you quantify that, David Neal, vice president of production and executive producer of FIFA World Cup on Fox, tells the Journal. But right now the shining star of U.S. Soccer is the U.S. womens national team. These women are heroes and I think that carries great value.

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Solid Snake07
07/08/19 11:18:53 PM
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Antifar posted...
Zenabii posted...
The women make 13% of the revenue generated where the men make 9% of the revenue generated. Am I missing something?

Two different sets of figures being described here. You are talking about the share of revenue given out to players at the World Cups by FIFA; the argument is over the salaries paid to the players by the US Soccer Federation. The Women's World Cup does produce less revenue than the Men's tournament, but that's FIFA's revenue. US Soccer gets its revenue largely from other sources.


Source? I find that hard to believe. I would assume both teams make a majority of their revenue from television deals and advitisor sponsorship.

It's the same reason male athletes make more money almost completly across all sports.

These girls will probably get some nice sponsorship deals in the coming months, they'll be fine
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Antifar
07/08/19 11:19:57 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Source? I find that hard to believe. I would assume both teams make a majority of their revenue from television deals and advitisor sponsorship.

Which is separate from the World Cup. That revenue goes to FIFA. US Soccer bundles both national teams and MLS together in television deals.
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sktgamer_13dude
07/08/19 11:22:06 PM
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USWNT generates more revenue than the USMNT and actually does this thing called winning.

The USWNT deserves equal pay.
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Solid Snake07
07/08/19 11:26:07 PM
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Antifar posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Source? I find that hard to believe. I would assume both teams make a majority of their revenue from television deals and advitisor sponsorship.

Which is separate from the World Cup. That revenue goes to FIFA. US Soccer bundles both national teams and MLS together in television deals.


And the mens team has more market value, because mens soccer is much larger regardless of national team performances

Its basic economics, if the women are being underpaid then they need a better agent, I'm almost certain that isnt the case.
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Thanatophobic
07/08/19 11:26:52 PM
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The women's team won two straight World Cups. What has the men's team done lately?
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Yao
07/08/19 11:31:14 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.


the same place the mens' comes from (or the equivalent if they are separate funds)?


Do you have NO idea how sports work? People have to PAY to come see the show. Advertisers PAY for a slot in your broadcast.

No sales, no views, no money
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Prismsblade
07/08/19 11:41:58 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
Prismsblade posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.

The mans league can subsidize it obviously. Lower the mans revenue by X% until both genders pay is equal.....sure the guys will be getting screwed over but, at least they achieved equality.


That makes no sense that's like you giving a big part of your pay check to a random person you don't even know. No matter how hard you work and accomplish at work won't matter because you would be held back financially because of someone you don't even work with at all....

These woman are going to continue b***ing about this pay gap forever, similar to the wage gap it will never go away. Regardless of whatever attempts they make to appease them.

And what I described is pretty much what these people want to happen if it means they get what they want. Raising their pay to the mans is......out of the question, lowering the man to the womans is out of the question becuase they want more money, not the same.

So this leaves my answer as the most 'likely' scenario.
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Antifar
07/08/19 11:45:11 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
Prismsblade posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.

The mans league can subsidize it obviously. Lower the mans revenue by X% until both genders pay is equal.....sure the guys will be getting screwed over but, at least they achieved equality.


That makes no sense that's like you giving a big part of your pay check to a random person you don't even know. No matter how hard you work and accomplish at work won't matter because you would be held back financially because of someone you don't even work with at all....

To be clear, the Men's team has publicly expressed support for equal pay:

The mens national team has issued a statement of support for the womens team lawsuit against the USSF and for this revenue-sharing model.

The United States National Soccer Team Players Association fully supports the efforts of the US Womens National Team Players to achieve equal pay, reads the statement. Specifically, we are committed to the concept of a revenue-sharing model to address the US Soccer Federations market realities and find a way towards fair compensation.

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Solid Snake07
07/08/19 11:50:03 PM
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Thanatophobic posted...
The women's team won two straight World Cups. What has the men's team done lately?


Doesnt matter

Side note, the mens team would smash the women's
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Solar_Crimson
07/08/19 11:53:47 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
USWNT generates more revenue than the USMNT and actually does this thing called winning.

The USWNT deserves equal pay.

Yeah, with the women's team being so much more successful than the men's team, one wonders why they're still less popular for people to actually watch.
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Yao
07/08/19 11:54:27 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Thanatophobic posted...
The women's team won two straight World Cups. What has the men's team done lately?


Doesnt matter

Side note, the mens team would smash the women's


Ehhhh

Also uhh pretty sure a high school men's team could crush the ladies WC team but
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Solid Snake07
07/09/19 12:00:28 AM
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Yao posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Thanatophobic posted...
The women's team won two straight World Cups. What has the men's team done lately?


Doesnt matter

Side note, the mens team would smash the women's


Ehhhh

Also uhh pretty sure a high school men's team could crush the ladies WC team but


It doesnt matter. The Knicks are fucking garbage and probably make more money than whoever the hell won the WNBA championship last year. The Knicks success is irrelavant, the NBA is waaaaay more popular and makes much more money
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Yao
07/09/19 12:02:42 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Yao posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Thanatophobic posted...
The women's team won two straight World Cups. What has the men's team done lately?


Doesnt matter

Side note, the mens team would smash the women's


Ehhhh

Also uhh pretty sure a high school men's team could crush the ladies WC team but


It doesnt matter. The Knicks are fucking garbage and probably make more money than whoever the hell won the WNBA championship last year. The Knicks success is irrelavant, the NBA is waaaaay more popular and makes much more money


That was my point earlier but some people dont get how sports and money work ITT
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AlephZero
07/09/19 12:06:56 AM
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ill vote for bernie if he promises to give all women soceer players a million dollars after he's paid for everyone's college
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Torrific
07/09/19 12:10:58 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
USWNT generates more revenue than the USMNT and actually does this thing called winning.

The USWNT deserves equal pay.

Yeah, with the women's team being so much more successful than the men's team, one wonders why they're still less popular for people to actually watch.


The USMNT hadn't been playing that well at all but none of the teams they played had a remote chance of beating them. Also, female goalkeepers are smaller in size and the goal posts are the same size as the men's, but yet there are barely more 2-3 goals scored in a match (ignoring the Thailand match) despite so many penalties being given out. The lack of quality of soccer being played coupled with the relative lack of goals make women's soccer less entertaining to watch. Of course there are other factors -- lower intensity, the lack of household names, women's leagues aren't popular, etc.
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Blue_Target
07/09/19 12:14:38 AM
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I will be very confused if the mens soccer team got paid for the last world cup considering that they didn't qualify for it.
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Fam_Fam
07/09/19 9:47:54 AM
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Yao posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.


the same place the mens' comes from (or the equivalent if they are separate funds)?


Do you have NO idea how sports work? People have to PAY to come see the show. Advertisers PAY for a slot in your broadcast.

No sales, no views, no money


and my understanding is that the women are generating more revenue?
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Hanky_Bannister
07/09/19 9:53:12 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Yao posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
Where is the money suppose to come from? No one ever answers that question.


the same place the mens' comes from (or the equivalent if they are separate funds)?


Do you have NO idea how sports work? People have to PAY to come see the show. Advertisers PAY for a slot in your broadcast.

No sales, no views, no money


and my understanding is that the women are generating more revenue?

they are. dudes be shitposting all weekend
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Dathrowed1
07/10/19 10:56:13 PM
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OZ_Archangel posted...
didnt the USA womens team get beaten 5-2 to a mens B or C side?

Even worse, they lost 5-2 to a 15 and under boys' team. So they aren't even doing "equal work"
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