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TrollSlayer11
05/27/19 12:38:32 PM
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Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?
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Funkydog
05/27/19 12:41:21 PM
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At least we can add a few posters to being garbage scum, with @JBaLLEN66 thanks to this topic.
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Guide
05/27/19 12:41:39 PM
#57:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
Guide posted...

Like how are you not aware of one of the most stale persuasive openings in fucking history? "I'm not denying x, I'm just saying the major factors about x are all wrong"


Citation needed.


You've been here for 15 years. I know you've been arguing for a good amount of that time. What I don't know is if you've ever realized basic-ass argumentation despite that.

Would you go out of your way to find history lessons for someone who hasn't learned what they're doing for 15 years?
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Guide
05/27/19 12:43:05 PM
#58:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?


Context, you don't comprehend it.

The Holocaust is insanely well-documented, documented as it happened, as opposed to a discovery of ancient, forgotten things that were only enabled by new technology.
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Gafemage
05/27/19 12:45:24 PM
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I just realized that dude has 300 karma on a 2004 account lmfao
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TrollSlayer11
05/27/19 12:49:46 PM
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Guide posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?


Context, you don't comprehend it.

The Holocaust is insanely well-documented, documented as it happened, as opposed to a discovery of ancient, forgotten things that were only enabled by new technology.


As well documented as the Iraq War and the WMDs that were supposedly there, or the hilarious story of Osama's assassination and highly convenient burial at sea? Funny how the Seal Team 6 unit was killed in Afghanistan in a helicopter crash.

I'm simply saying we accept lots of things as "historical facts" that are obvious lies, even in modern times.
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Machete
05/27/19 12:50:17 PM
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I like how they literally always say "iS tHiS NiNeTeEn EiGhTy FoUr?" as if that's supposed to sound original, insightful or accurate.
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Prestoff
05/27/19 12:53:00 PM
#63:


I remember the imdb boards being infested with them.
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Bass2
05/27/19 12:53:44 PM
#64:


There are probably people who denies the sun exists.
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Ulyanyx
05/27/19 12:54:45 PM
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Guide posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?


Context, you don't comprehend it.

The Holocaust is insanely well-documented, documented as it happened, as opposed to a discovery of ancient, forgotten things that were only enabled by new technology.


ah yes, who can forget:

the rollercoaster that tossed bodies into an oven
a cage with a bear and eagle that they would feed the jews too
tickling jews to death
people escaping gas chambers because they were 201st in line, but the capacity was 200 (as if they would not be shot nor killed if that was the goal)

let us not forget that to gas and burn that many bodies with technology available, everything would have to be in working order 24/7 with absolutely no need to wait for repairs, fuel, etc.

and never question the gas permeation of wooden doors. forbidden questions
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nemu
05/27/19 12:58:08 PM
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I can never really understand the logic of it. Like, only a nazi sympathizer should want to deny it, but then they should also praise it for happening in that case.
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TheDrivingForce
05/27/19 1:00:07 PM
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I just consider them trolls, and move on.
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Malfunction
05/27/19 1:01:55 PM
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I like how this guy went from 'gee guys think of all the stuff that would have been lost to history if not for further investigation' to aggressively remarking about other things he thinks are 'lies'
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ElatedVenusaur
05/27/19 1:02:33 PM
#69:


nemu posted...
I can never really understand the logic of it. Like, only a nazi sympathizer should want to deny it, but then they should also praise it for happening in that case.

It's because they realize it would look bad to normal people to admit they think it was a good thing, so their public-facing belief is that it's either exaggerated or made-up. This allows them to more easily recruit others who have the same feeling while easing them into the real belief. The idea that the Nazis were meaningfully socialists(i.e. leftist) is also a deflection of a similar intent: essentially, it allows them to pretend their chosen ideology is blameless and pure by blaming everything bad on "the left".
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Guide
05/27/19 1:04:03 PM
#70:


Ulyanyx posted...
Guide posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?


Context, you don't comprehend it.

The Holocaust is insanely well-documented, documented as it happened, as opposed to a discovery of ancient, forgotten things that were only enabled by new technology.


ah yes, who can forget:

the rollercoaster that tossed bodies into an oven
a cage with a bear and eagle that they would feed the jews too
tickling jews to death
people escaping gas chambers because they were 201st in line, but the capacity was 200 (as if they would not be shot nor killed if that was the goal)

let us not forget that to gas and burn that many bodies with technology available, everything would have to be in working order 24/7 with absolutely no need to wait for repairs, fuel, etc.

and never question the gas permeation of wooden doors. forbidden questions


You are so caught in your bubble that you don't even realize it.

All of these are statements reworded and decontextualized to make them seem like questions with big obvious holes that "no one wants to answer cause they fear THE TRUTH AND THE PC POLICE"

But no, that's just an invention for dumb people who get caught up believing conspiracies.

The equivalent of someone telling you they drove home after work but you're all "but how did you drive home when your car DIDN'T HAVE TIRES???"

The car did have tires, it turns out. You're asking a question that's already wrong in supposition before it has an answer.

And that's every single point you just listed. Like, haven't you realized you've been relisting the same points for years on whatever little stormfront-esque nonsense you go to, and haven't actually gone anywhere from there? You're not awake to some hidden meaning, you just have a problem and need help.

Dime a dozen, really.
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SmidgeIsntBack
05/27/19 1:06:36 PM
#71:


Malfunction posted...
I like how this guy went from 'gee guys think of all the stuff that would have been lost to history if not for further investigation' to aggressively remarking about other things he thinks are 'lies'


The moment of unironic talk about jet fuel draws ever closer.
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Zodd3224
05/27/19 1:09:04 PM
#72:


Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers.

What do they all have in common?
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Bass2
05/27/19 1:10:38 PM
#73:


Zodd3224 posted...
Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers.

What do they all have in common?


They all voted Trump?
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treewojima
05/27/19 1:11:08 PM
#74:


the moon landing was faked
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Malfunction
05/27/19 1:11:50 PM
#75:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
As well documented as the Iraq War and the WMDs that were supposedly there, or the hilarious story of Osama's assassination and highly convenient burial at sea? Funny how the Seal Team 6 unit was killed in Afghanistan in a helicopter crash.

I'm simply saying we accept lots of things as "historical facts" that are obvious lies, even in modern times.

Imagine saying this about the holocaust like wtf
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Guide
05/27/19 1:13:15 PM
#76:


Bass2 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers.

What do they all have in common?


They all voted Trump?


They all have a condition where they get extremely attached to a conspiracy, despite otherwise leading normal, or at least previously normal, lives.

It's a type of control feedback loop. People feel more secure and in control of their lives when they feel privy to some secret. A conspiracy is a big, typically fake, secret. You have that, and suddenly you're Neo and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is a herd of sheeple.
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SmidgeIsntBack
05/27/19 1:13:16 PM
#77:


treewojima posted...
the moon landing was faked


Who was that poster a year or two ago that believed this. May have been a flat earther, can't remember.
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TheMikh
05/27/19 1:16:20 PM
#78:


Bass2 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers.

What do they all have in common?


They all voted Trump?

i've yet to meet a conservative flat-earther

anti-vaxxers are a bipartisan phenomenon but the most havoc seems to be being wreaked in california
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BlockAddition
05/27/19 1:24:05 PM
#79:


The same way I feel about flat earthers: The don't actually believe it, they just say they do for attention or reactions
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Guide
05/27/19 1:25:21 PM
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Productive topic.
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Metua
05/27/19 1:25:45 PM
#81:


SmidgeIsntBack posted...
treewojima posted...
the moon landing was faked


Who was that poster a year or two ago that believed this. May have been a flat earther, can't remember.

Probably FlashOfLight? He also believed in geocentrism (ugh).
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treewojima
05/27/19 1:26:38 PM
#82:


Metua posted...
SmidgeIsntBack posted...
treewojima posted...
the moon landing was faked


Who was that poster a year or two ago that believed this. May have been a flat earther, can't remember.

Probably FlashOfLight? He also believed in geocentrism (ugh).


I remember him lol
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Cornmuffins
05/27/19 1:32:34 PM
#83:


Damn this topic is bringing out some real pieces of shit

SmidgeIsntBack posted...
treewojima posted...
the moon landing was faked


Who was that poster a year or two ago that believed this. May have been a flat earther, can't remember.


Flashoflight?
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SmidgeIsntBack
05/27/19 1:32:45 PM
#84:


It was FlashOfLight, thank you.

I miss when posting false information as fact was enforced.
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Prestoff
05/27/19 1:40:07 PM
#85:


FlashofLight was a geocentrist, not a flat earther. I need to emphasize that because I got into a big discussion about it before I gave up with all of his copy and pasta replies that does nothing to address what I said. The guy inherently believes everything in the bible to be 100% factual and actually has verses that describe the earth as a cylinder shape. The thing that it doesn't do is say that the earth revolves around the sun but the bible does say that the universe revolves around the earth (because we humans are the center of the universe), hence why the sun is included. He finally admits that he believes that NASA has gotten a lot of its facts wrong so it can go out of its way to disprove what God and the bible says is factually true.

Oh and he doesn't want to admit it, but he also believes in Unicorns and Fire Breathing Dragons because they were also mentioned in the bible. He's a very sola scriptura guy, but has no problem saying he wants to fuck hot woman (which I try to tell him that's lusting according to the bible, but always ignores me when I say so).

He's cool otherwise, but has some hilarious thought process.
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ScazarMeltex
05/27/19 1:42:09 PM
#86:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
Guide posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Found out there's archaeological evidence of humans being in America thousands and thousands of years before science originally thought, thus changing our entire perspective and theory on human civilization and the development of the Americas.

But I mean, why would anyone question what we were already told right?

Not like the previously accepted history has never been wrong right?


Context, you don't comprehend it.

The Holocaust is insanely well-documented, documented as it happened, as opposed to a discovery of ancient, forgotten things that were only enabled by new technology.


As well documented as the Iraq War and the WMDs that were supposedly there, or the hilarious story of Osama's assassination and highly convenient burial at sea? Funny how the Seal Team 6 unit was killed in Afghanistan in a helicopter crash.

I'm simply saying we accept lots of things as "historical facts" that are obvious lies, even in modern times.

You do realize that the Nazis kept really good records of shit like how many people were "processed" on various days and what not?
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SmidgeIsntBack
05/27/19 1:46:30 PM
#87:


Yeah I remember FOL being chill outside science and religion topics. That's when it's a matter of clear indoctrination imo; being chill and relatable in all aspects except for one thread that when pulled, reveals a completely different side of someone.
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mooreandrew58
05/27/19 2:27:49 PM
#88:


Imagine trying to convince so many jews to get similar tattoos. Maybe F for family was right and its how much sex said Jewish guy got or how many people he killed (they thought he was a german Nazi at first. But he was a german Jew)
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Prestoff
05/27/19 2:34:12 PM
#89:


SmidgeIsntBack posted...
Yeah I remember FOL being chill outside science and religion topics. That's when it's a matter of clear indoctrination imo; being chill and relatable in all aspects except for one thread that when pulled, reveals a completely different side of someone.


Yeah, he and I get along when it comes to movies and music. It's just when it comes to conspiracy and religion crap that he goes ape shit about. He even tried to argue with me that the existence of germs is enough to disprove evolution. When I debunked it, he would go to the next subject he copy and pasta from a creationist "peer review journal". I'll admit, where he gets the time to copy and pasta all the shit he says blows my mind.
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Firewerx
05/27/19 2:35:54 PM
#90:


There's such a thing as reasonable doubt, and then there's such a thing as unreasonable doubt. Speaking as someone who spent years on the Holocaust denial scene, I can tell you that although Holocaust deniers might like to kid themselves or others that they're simply hard-headed skeptics who demand a higher standard of proof than the rest of "the sheeple", the reality is that:

(a) some are gullible types who'll gulp down any half-baked nonsense so long as it reinforces their prejudices and their delusional belief in paranoid conspiracy fantasies;
(b) some are cranky contrarians who take a perverse pleasure in seeing truth upside down and back to front because they think it's subversive; and
(c) some have a political agenda and are knowingly spreading lies that they don't even really believe themselves in the hope that others will.
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QuantumTheory
05/27/19 2:37:13 PM
#91:


They have the right to deny the Holocaust.

I have the right to think theyre a bunch of ignorant pricks.
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On_The_Edge
05/27/19 2:37:38 PM
#92:


Why would I care what someone believes about the reality of some historical event
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ASithLord7
05/27/19 2:40:03 PM
#93:


Trollslayer and blade wolf sure showing their true colors. Also wrecked lmao
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ShroomKingJr
05/27/19 2:53:13 PM
#94:


Guide posted...
and never question the gas permeation of wooden doors. forbidden questions


Wait, wtf? What type of asshole builds a death chamber with wooden doors?

The Germans deserved to lose the war for that reason alone.
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Tryhaptaward
05/27/19 2:54:49 PM
#95:


Fuck I love these new mods
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Zikten
05/27/19 2:56:26 PM
#96:


Stupid people who are historically illiterate
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EbonTitanium
05/27/19 3:04:33 PM
#97:


I haven't seen many deniers, but I have seen several downplayers. Still, trash is trash.
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Malfunction
05/27/19 3:08:47 PM
#100:


5k account ahout to get slammed
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ThyCorndog
05/27/19 3:08:52 PM
#101:


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User Since: Sep 2003
Karma: 5035
Active Posts: 2
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s0nicfan
05/27/19 3:09:01 PM
#102:


Foley__Is__GOOD posted...
6,000,000 jews killed in the 2,194 days of WW2
2,735 jews killed per day
114 jews per hour
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 6 years straight. All while fighting wars on multiple fronts during massive shortages in supplies.
By the way a modern crematorium with no fuel shortage would take approximately 3 hours per body. So you might be able to get 8 jews cooked a day per oven at peak effiency running 24/7 without stopping or failures.
You would need approximately 342 brand new cremation ovens running round the clock to hit these numbers. Auschwitz had four.


Except the vast majority of Jews were just shot dead. They didn't start using using gas and ovens until the tail end of the war. So your entire analysis hinges on a fictional timeline.
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Antifar
05/27/19 3:09:03 PM
#103:


On_The_Edge posted...
Why would I care what someone believes about the reality of some historical event

Our understandings of history tend to shape how we respond to the present, and the routes we suggest for the future.
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Tryhaptaward
05/27/19 3:09:14 PM
#104:


It's crazy how easy a bait topic that is intended to get people suspended/modded still gets these *redacted* to respond

lmao

they just can't help themselves
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Cornmuffins
05/27/19 3:09:19 PM
#105:


Whose alt
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ThyCorndog
05/27/19 3:10:26 PM
#107:


Foley__Is__GOOD posted...
6,000,000 jews killed in the 2,194 days of WW2
2,735 jews killed per day
114 jews per hour
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 6 years straight. All while fighting wars on multiple fronts during massive shortages in supplies.
By the way a modern crematorium with no fuel shortage would take approximately 3 hours per body. So you might be able to get 8 jews cooked a day per oven at peak effiency running 24/7 without stopping or failures.
You would need approximately 342 brand new cremation ovens running round the clock to hit these numbers. Auschwitz had four.

don't jews that died from malnutrition and disease count towards the numbers though? it's not like 6 million were directly killed. it's 6 million died at the hands of the nazis
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05/27/19 3:11:26 PM
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