Current Events > Real question. What is Cersei ruling over? *spoilers*

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The North, the Vale, and the Riverlands are all directly related to the Starks, so they'd obviously be backing Jon/Dany. She nuked most of the ruling family of the Reach and poisoned the last one, so they're not going to be on her side. Yara took back the Iron Islands. It was mentioned in the last episode that the Nameless Prince of Dorne is on Daenarys' side. The Stormlands probably aren't super happy with the woman that opposed Renly and Stannis while also cucking Robert. And if I were a smaller noble in the Westerlands, I'd be pretty pissed that my liege lord abandoned me because her house ran out of gold.
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Cersei kind of, forgot there were 7 kingdoms.
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The biggest issue with the show is that the world doesn't feel alive.

When 20k fighting men are the best you can pull from 3-4 kingdoms you have to wonder how many women, children, and old men are still around.

In the book the world feels alive so you know kingslanding holds 1.2 million people alone. In the show, despite their best efforts during the walk of penance, seemed like there was maybe 10-20k in the city. Hell, we'll be nice and say 50k. Then Cersi blew up half the town (and with how wildfire actually/supposedly is it should have been the whole damn city. Bronn says one vial being dropped could take down the city back in season 2, now kegs go off and we're expected to believe the city isn't pretty much dead after a stunt like that.

I don't see it talked about much but that's by far my biggest gripe with the show.
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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

The writers kind of, forgot there were 7 kingdoms.

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She's like Littlefinger. She'd burn Westeros down as long as she gets to be the Queen of Ashes.
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jumi posted...

She's like @jpennys_cat . She'd turn Westeros is into ashes as long as she gets to be the one on the throne.

Very fix
Such correction
Much accurate
So wildfire
Wow
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jumi posted...

She's like Littlefinger. She'd burn Westeros down as long as she gets to be the Queen of Ashes.

No, that I get. I just don't understand why she's even considered an issue.
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pegusus123456 posted...

jumi posted...

She's like Littlefinger. She'd burn Westeros down as long as she gets to be the Queen of Ashes.

No, that I get. I just don't understand why she's even considered an issue.

Simply because shes occupying the Iron Throne.
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It's a cultural thing that the Iron Throne is just considered the symbol of power. I think they admitted on the recent episode that Dany now owns more land. But Dany said "as long as she sits on that iron throne, she can call herself queen of the 7 kingdoms"

She rules the Villain Dimension, a mysterious place that always has just enough soldiers, food and money within it to provide the villain with a large enough force to push the good guys to the limit.
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Zikten posted...

It's a cultural thing that the Iron Throne is just considered the symbol of power. I think they admitted on the recent episode that Dany now owns more land. But Dany said "as long as she sits on that iron throne, she can call herself queen of the 7 kingdoms"

Which is silly. They could just make Dragonstone the new capitol and wait Cersei out. Who's she gonna trade with? Where are they gonna get supplies from? Let her "rule" a city that's dying.

The_Doge posted...

jumi posted...

She's like @jpennys_cat . She'd turn Westeros is into ashes as long as she gets to be the one on the throne.

Very fix
Such correction
Much accurate
So wildfire
Wow

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
#Winning
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Not to mention that the vast majority of her forces are the Golden Company, a group of sellswords that she has to pay. They realistically don't have to outlast Cersei, they just have to outrun her money. And considering her treasury consists of payday loans, I don't see that taking long.
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"Cersie is losing support by the day"

"Lets rest our troops"

"No! She might get stronger!"

Actually Dany's not concerned with Cersei getting stronger. She said 'her enemies' for a reason. She's concerned with Jon's support and the North getting stronger since Sansa is so against her.
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She's got control of the Lannister funds. They can't blockade the city because of the Iron Fleet, it would smuggle in supplies.

I'd be concerned as well if I had to deal with a walking Deus Ex Machina appearing out of thin air and somehow destroying everything in seconds.

If I was Danny at this point I am making bombs and using Drogon to drop them from a super high altitude. But knowing Euron he is going to teleport out of nowhere with wildfire hot air balloon ships and machine gun Dragon down.
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Cersei's position is actually pretty accurate to how many civil conflicts played out in the Middle Ages. Often times a King would end up isolated with control of only a smaller portion of their domain, namely their personal holdings and any vassals directly linked to them through good ol' manipulation and extortion, while a small portion of the domain rallied together under a rebel leader. The remaining lords would either abstain entirely or nominally pledge their loyalty without actually mobilizing their levies.

So to answer your question, Cersei currently controls the areas of The Westerlands, most of The Crownlands, some authority over The Reach (Although their armies have been mostly destroyed), some authority over the Stormlands (Although their army was destroyed marching north with Stannis), and the Riverlands do not currently have a lord as far as I can recall (Baelish and Frey are both dead) and are not mustering any troops besides at best a few loyalist barons.

Dorne is in open rebellion, the North is in open rebellion, the Vale is in open rebellion, and the Iron Isles are in open rebellion.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Not to mention that the vast majority of her forces are the Golden Company, a group of sellswords that she has to pay. They realistically don't have to outlast Cersei, they just have to outrun her money. And considering her treasury consists of payday loans, I don't see that taking long.

Her treausury was bolstered by raiding the coffers of Highgarden, so financially speaking they are fine.

Something I HATED in Season 7 was when, before Dany and the Dothraki attacked the Lannister army moving from Highgarden to King's Landing, Dany's advisors were talking about how, even if they survived the long night, they weren't sure how they were going to feed all their people and troops to continue the war. Fast forward to the battle and Dany starts it off by strafing two dozen wagons filled with food for literally no fucking reason.

The showrunners have literally no concept of how war was waged in the Middle Ages and it's very depressing after GRRM treated the subject with a fair amount of respect.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Dany's advisors were talking about how, even if they survived the long night, they weren't sure how they were going to feed all their people and troops to continue the war. Fast forward to the battle and Dany starts it off by strafing two dozen wagons filled with food for literally no fucking reason.

Your miss remembering things. At this point Danny didn't believe in white walkers and didn't understand why John was so stubbornly adamant about it. Hell outside of the freefolk and the nights watch, nobody believed in white walkers. John was trying to convince Danny the long night was actually a thing.

Her advisors we're trying to recover from Eurons instant transmission attack and focusing on the war for Westeros.

Sansa was having to worry about food supply.

DoomsSD posted...

Euron will have FF9-esque flying airships on his side the next time he ambushes Danearys Stormborn.

Euron is Kefka confirmed.
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the big, big problem is that the writers forgot (around season 7) of the the importance of alliances in the show. it was a major theme for the majority of the run but now it's been pretty much cast aside for sensational war scenes.

in the older seasons, per the logic of the GoT universe, you'd have Cersei marrying off to make strategic alliances, appointing people that she likes to rule over kingdoms that would give her an advantage, building up her small council, etc.

instead shes not doing any diplomacy, she seems to be prepared to marry Euron Greyjoy, who will not provide her any advantage other than his stealth boats,etc. it fits her final arc of being this pissed off tyrant with nothing to lose but at this point you barely see cersei as a ruler or a threat, its just a matter of "can our X amount of soldiers defeat her X amount of soliders". To me that is not a compelling plotline

/rant
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green butter posted...

the big, big problem is that the writers forgot (around season 7) of the the importance of alliances in the show. it was a major theme for the majority of the run but now it's been pretty much cast aside for sensational war scenes.

in the older seasons, per the logic of the GoT universe, you'd have Cersei marrying off to make strategic alliances, appointing people that she likes to rule over kingdoms that would give her an advantage, building up her small council, etc.

instead shes not doing any diplomacy, she seems to be prepared to marry Euron Greyjoy, who will not provide her any advantage other than his stealth boats,etc. it fits her final arc of being this pissed off tyrant with nothing to lose but at this point you barely see cersei as a ruler or a threat, its just a matter of "can our X amount of soldiers defeat her X amount of soliders". To me that is not a compelling plotline

/rant

But were your expectations subverted?
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Dampproof posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Dany's advisors were talking about how, even if they survived the long night, they weren't sure how they were going to feed all their people and troops to continue the war. Fast forward to the battle and Dany starts it off by strafing two dozen wagons filled with food for literally no fucking reason.

Your miss remembering things. At this point Danny didn't believe in white walkers and didn't understand why John was so stubbornly adamant about it. Hell outside of the freefolk and the nights watch, nobody believed in white walkers. John was trying to convince Danny the long night was actually a thing.

Her advisors we're trying to recover from Eurons instant transmission attack and focusing on the war for Westeros.

Sansa was having to worry about food supply.

DoomsSD posted...

Euron will have FF9-esque flying airships on his side the next time he ambushes Danearys Stormborn.

Euron is Kefka confirmed.

Danny already believed in the White Walkers due to the scene in the Dragonglass Caves. Regardless of that, it is nonsensical to destroy your enemies train instead of capturing it, especially since Dany would still have to stock her pantries for Winter regardless of if she believed in the Night Walkers or not.
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TomNook20 posted...

green butter posted...

the big, big problem is that the writers forgot (around season 7) of the the importance of alliances in the show. it was a major theme for the majority of the run but now it's been pretty much cast aside for sensational war scenes.

in the older seasons, per the logic of the GoT universe, you'd have Cersei marrying off to make strategic alliances, appointing people that she likes to rule over kingdoms that would give her an advantage, building up her small council, etc.

instead shes not doing any diplomacy, she seems to be prepared to marry Euron Greyjoy, who will not provide her any advantage other than his stealth boats,etc. it fits her final arc of being this pissed off tyrant with nothing to lose but at this point you barely see cersei as a ruler or a threat, its just a matter of "can our X amount of soldiers defeat her X amount of soliders". To me that is not a compelling plotline

/rant

But were your expectations subverted?

D&D are gonna do so well with Star Wars
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The North and Vale are in open rebellion

The Riverlands are likely in chaos as their ruling houses are all gone

The Reach was supposed to have puppet rulers in the form of House Tarly, but since Dany roasted the last two male heirs, that's not probably going well atm.

Dorne has an actual Prince right now and is actively pursuing war with Cersei

We haven't heard from the Stormlands in a long-ass time, but since House Baratheon is extinct for now, it's possible that whomever was put in charge of the region is loyal to Cersei? Maybe, Iunno

The Iron Islands are backing Dany and the Starks

So apart from the Crownlands and the Westerlands Cersei probably doesn't really have much else to rule over

I feel like if they paid more attention to how the situation in King's Landing and Cersei's court is unfolding we'd have a much better picture on how weak her position is even with the Golden Company. The best thing Book 4 did was make her a POV character.
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Ivynn posted...

D&D are gonna do so well with Star Wars

I've said this in other topics and will repeat here.

This type of fast paced "cinematic" storytelling is very poorly suited to a series like A Song of Ice and Fire, but for something like Star Wars it would work very well.
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Doom_Art posted...

We haven't heard from the Stormlands in a long-ass time, but since House Baratheon is extinct for now, it's possible that whomever was put in charge of the region is loyal to Cersei? Maybe, Iunno

dany legitimized gendry and gave him the stormlands so he is now the lord of the stormlands and loyal to her
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yusiko posted...

dany legitimized gendry and gave him the stormlands so he is now the lord of the stormlands and loyal to her

Yeah but how do the lords there feel about that? Dany can acknowledge him all he likes but I'm sure the lords of tge Stormlands are rather suspicious of this convenient bastard that she managed to produce
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another question

why does cersei want to rule so much. she doesn't give a fuck about anybody and has no interest in maintaining any relationships with anybody. not even jaime. she's been obsessed with keeping her power since day 1 but does she even want to do anything with it?
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pauIie posted...

another question

why does cersei want to rule so much. she doesn't give a fuck about anybody and has no interest in maintaining any relationships with anybody. not even jaime. she's been obsessed with keeping her power since day 1 but does she even want to do anything with it?

he just wants power for power's sake. even though she barely even has power anymore anyway. her kinhdom is crumbling. but the show just does a poor job of showing that. she's just stupid and crazy and a bitch

Doom_Art posted...

yusiko posted...

dany legitimized gendry and gave him the stormlands so he is now the lord of the stormlands and loyal to her

Yeah but how do the lords there feel about that? Dany can acknowledge him all he likes but I'm sure the lords of tge Stormlands are rather suspicious of this convenient bastard that she managed to produce

It doesn't matter how they feel. All that matters is how hungry or burny Drogon feels.
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jumi posted...

Doom_Art posted...

yusiko posted...

dany legitimized gendry and gave him the stormlands so he is now the lord of the stormlands and loyal to her

Yeah but how do the lords there feel about that? Dany can acknowledge him all he likes but I'm sure the lords of tge Stormlands are rather suspicious of this convenient bastard that she managed to produce

It doesn't matter how they feel. All that matters is how hungry or burny Drogon feels.

Correction:

It doesn't matter how they feel in the show because there is no way they're going into that level of details. All that matters is how hungry or burny Drogon feels
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Same reason Trump is considered problematic occupying the Whitehouse tbqh. People will give power to symbolism.

But I agree the show does a terrible job fleshing out the world.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Her treausury was bolstered by raiding the coffers of Highgarden, so financially speaking they are fine.

But how much gold could she have possibly had? She used the gold from Highgarden to pay off the Iron Bank which was a significant amount. Like in the millions of golden dragons. She then borrowed more money from them to hire the Golden Company.
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jpennys_cat posted...

The_Doge posted...

jumi posted...

She's like @jpennys_cat . She'd turn Westeros is into ashes as long as she gets to be the one on the throne.

Very fix
Such correction
Much accurate
So wildfire
Wow

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
#Winning

#BadCate
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