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Tmaster148
12/30/18 5:07:14 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/30/us/california-dog-cat-rabbit-sales/index.html

California pet stores soon will be allowed to sell dogs, cats and rabbits only if they come from shelters or non-profit rescue organizations.

Under legislation going into effect on January 1, store operators also will have to be able to provide records of origin for the animals or face a $500 penalty per animal.

The Pet Rescue and Adoption Act was introduced by assembly member Patrick O'Donnell and signed into law by California Governor Jerry Brown in October 2017.
Under the law, individuals are still allowed to buy from private breeders, but stores are prohibited from doing so.

In a press release issued at the time, O'Donnell touted the law as an end to "puppy mills" and "kitten factories." California is the first state in the country to introduce such legislation.
O'Donnell called the law a "big win for our four-legged friends" and also for taxpayers, who he said spent more than $250 million a year to house and euthanize shelter animals.

The act specifies that pet store operators can sell dogs, cats and rabbits only from a public animal control agency or shelter, society for the prevention of cruelty to animals shelter, humane society shelter, or rescue group in cooperation with an animal shelter.

It requires "each pet store to maintain records sufficient to document the source of each dog, cat, or rabbit the pet store sells or provides space for, for at least one year, and to post, in a conspicuous location on the cage or enclosure of each animal, a sign listing the name of the entity from which each dog, cat, or rabbit was obtained."

The stores also will be required to give public animal control agencies or shelters periodic access to those records.

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Swagnificent119
12/30/18 5:09:16 PM
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Why does California hate freedom so much?

Edit: Oh, I misread it's just retail fuck it who cares? fuck puppy mills
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CommonStar
12/30/18 5:55:53 PM
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This is actually pretty awesome. It also provides the public more access to these shelter animals.
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Ozai_Was_Right
12/30/18 5:56:38 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Good


Swagnificent119 posted...
fuck puppy mills

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Blue_Dream87
12/30/18 5:58:00 PM
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Ozai_Was_Right posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Good


Swagnificent119 posted...
fuck puppy mills

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jumi
12/30/18 6:03:13 PM
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Why did it take a year and two months to go into effect?
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RiderofHogs
12/30/18 6:07:36 PM
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Now let's get some more states doing this.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:08:02 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
California pet stores soon will be allowed to sell dogs, cats and rabbits only if they come from shelters or non-profit rescue organizations.

good
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MrPeppers
12/30/18 6:08:41 PM
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jumi posted...
Why did it take a year and two months to go into effect?


This happens essentially any time the government gets involved. Legislation always takes forever.
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:12:35 PM
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Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:16:41 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:19:02 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:19:59 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.

it's a good move and forcing predatory practices under ground will eventually stamp it out
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:21:38 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.

it's a good move and forcing predatory practices under ground will eventually stamp it out

No it won't. Puppies and kittens get sold out in minutes on Craigslist in any populated area. You think people are just gonna stop when there's an open avenue available? Guess you're more naive than I thought.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:22:52 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.

it's a good move and forcing predatory practices under ground will eventually stamp it out

No it won't. Puppies and kittens get sold out in minutes on Craigslist in any populated area. You think people are just gonna stop when there's an open avenue available? Guess you're more naive than I thought.

it will make them think twice and they won't be protected by the government anymore which allows for sting operations
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:28:27 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.

it's a good move and forcing predatory practices under ground will eventually stamp it out

No it won't. Puppies and kittens get sold out in minutes on Craigslist in any populated area. You think people are just gonna stop when there's an open avenue available? Guess you're more naive than I thought.

it will make them think twice and they won't be protected by the government anymore which allows for sting operations

Nothing in the law is outlawing private breeding. It literally says individuals are still able to.

Adopting a cat or dog at a store or shelter runs you about $100-$150 and there's a huge vetting process. Meanwhile, kittens and puppies go for $25-$50 on CL and the exotic ones for about $100-$200. I've worked in several shelters so the conditions of these animals is usual worse than that of a breeder with a huge space that allows everyone to roam, creating better socialization.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:29:33 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
Lol, these mills and factories are just gonna flood Craigslist with younger and more socialized animals for cheap.

Bad move tbh.

shut the fuck up

Huh? You alright there or are you off your meds?

It's the truth. These laws are not going to stop what they intend to.

it's a good move and forcing predatory practices under ground will eventually stamp it out

No it won't. Puppies and kittens get sold out in minutes on Craigslist in any populated area. You think people are just gonna stop when there's an open avenue available? Guess you're more naive than I thought.

it will make them think twice and they won't be protected by the government anymore which allows for sting operations

Nothing in the law is outlawing private breeding. It literally saya individuals are still able to.

Adopting a cat or dog at a store or shelter runs you about $100-$150 and there's a huge vetting process. Meanwhile, kittens and puppies go for $25-$50 on CL and the exotic ones for about $100-$200. I've worked in several shelters so the conditions of these animals is usual worse than that of a breeder with a huge space that allows everyone to roam, creating better socialization.

I think you're greatly overestimating the ability to breed privately without government approval
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:36:53 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
I think you're greatly overestimating the ability to breed privately without government approval

Government approval is not required in all cases. Dude, I'm not sure what your point is anymore. Cutting out a source of income for people will result in them moving elsewhere, not stopping. This has been proven in other areas time and time again. Not every breeder selling to stores is licensed. Stores are allowed to accept regardless.

Now they are not, so these people who just had their income disappear are not going to stop and it won't lead to any raids or whatever nonsense you're trying to point out because it's not illegal to private breed.
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catboy0_0
12/30/18 6:38:37 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I think you're greatly overestimating the ability to breed privately without government approval

Government approval is not required in all cases. Dude, I'm not sure what your point is anymore. Cutting out a source of income for people will result in them moving elsewhere, not stopping. This has been proven in other areas time and time again. Not every breeder selling to stores is licensed. Stores are allowed to accept regardless.

Now they are not, so these people who just had their income disappear are not going to stop and it won't lead to any raids or whatever nonsense you're trying to point out because it's not illegal to private breed.

it won't stop it completely, but why should it be subsidized by the government? California has made it very clear where it stands and we won't put up with that shit sorry
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LockeMonster
12/30/18 6:44:35 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
LockeMonster posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I think you're greatly overestimating the ability to breed privately without government approval

Government approval is not required in all cases. Dude, I'm not sure what your point is anymore. Cutting out a source of income for people will result in them moving elsewhere, not stopping. This has been proven in other areas time and time again. Not every breeder selling to stores is licensed. Stores are allowed to accept regardless.

Now they are not, so these people who just had their income disappear are not going to stop and it won't lead to any raids or whatever nonsense you're trying to point out because it's not illegal to private breed.

it won't stop it completely, but why should it be subsidized by the government? California has made it very clear where it stands and we won't put up with that shit sorry

Why should what be subsidized by the government? Their shelter housing and euthanization?

Because nothing proves that by removing a source of animals, will it stop anything when there's another avenue available. The law is literally saying stores won't buy your animals, but as a private breeder, you can sell to individuals. That's not stopping anything. It's in fact pushing everyone towards a totally unregulated market on CL.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
12/30/18 6:47:30 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
I've worked in several shelters so the conditions of these animals is usual worse than that of a breeder with a huge space that allows everyone to roam, creating better socialization.

And I've worked for a breeder. Those cats were NOT given "huge space that allows everyone to roam".
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