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powerman1426 12/28/18 6:59:34 AM #52:	A_Good_Boy posted... powerman1426 posted... catboy0_0 posted... I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys. The problem is neither of these should be a thing Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then. You consider it beneficial that racists feel empowered to rally to the extent an opposing force feels it necessary to counteract them? I guess I don't think that's a great thing to be happening --- Troll free https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1439-the-help-desk https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1309-tradesmen-and-diyers https://imgur.com/Zz8E0P3 <cite>powerman1426 posted [p:914816964] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>powerman1426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.</quote> The problem is neither of these should be a thing</quote> Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then.</quote> You consider it beneficial that racists feel empowered to rally to the extent an opposing force feels it necessary to counteract them? I guess I don't think that's a great thing to be happening</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/28/18 7:06:36 AM #53:	Ah, you actually understand that antifa only arises as a thing when there are fascists. That's very astute. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914817123] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote>Ah, you actually understand that antifa only arises as a thing when there are fascists. That's very astute.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/28/18 7:34:19 AM #54:	powerman1426 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... powerman1426 posted... catboy0_0 posted... I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys. The problem is neither of these should be a thing Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then. You consider it beneficial that racists feel empowered to rally to the extent an opposing force feels it necessary to counteract them? I guess I don't think that's a great thing to be happening Sounds like you live in a fairytale where those racists haven't existed for hundreds of years. Kinda adorable, but since they have actually existed for a very long time I'm not gonna balk that there's finally something to take the fight to them that has only existed for like what, 5 years? How long has Antifa been out there in American streets punching nazis? Not a long time. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914817642] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>powerman1426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>powerman1426 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys. </quote> The problem is neither of these should be a thing </quote> Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then.</quote> You consider it beneficial that racists feel empowered to rally to the extent an opposing force feels it necessary to counteract them? I guess I don't think that's a great thing to be happening</quote> Sounds like you live in a fairytale where those racists haven't existed for hundreds of years. Kinda adorable, but since they have actually existed for a very long time I'm not gonna balk that there's finally something to take the fight to them that has only existed for like what, 5 years? How long has Antifa been out there in American streets punching nazis? Not a long time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/28/18 8:45:44 AM #55:	Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence that... is not what I was saying at all what are you saying? Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense But everyone should have free speech. And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them. this has nothing to do with free speech. even if it did, fascists' free speech is less important than the lives of the people they threaten (and again, they threaten those people just by existing) making fascists afraid to go outside is indisputably a good thing. if no fascist could safely step outside again, the world would be a much better place also you are incorrect about debate. it's not an effective tool for... anything really. deplatforming them and attacking them physically are both far more effective for neutralizing them as a threat now I have addressed all your points. please don't move the goalposts again --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914819327] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence</quote> that... is not what I was saying at all</quote> what are you saying?</quote> Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense</quote> But everyone should have free speech. And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.</quote> this has nothing to do with free speech. even if it did, fascists' free speech is less important than the lives of the people they threaten (and again, they threaten those people just by existing) making fascists afraid to go outside is indisputably a good thing. if no fascist could safely step outside again, the world would be a much better place also you are incorrect about debate. it's not an effective tool for... anything really. deplatforming them and attacking them physically are both far more effective for neutralizing them as a threat now I have addressed all your points. please don't move the goalposts again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 12/28/18 8:47:17 AM #56:	I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. --- https://i.imgtc.com/qhHzPXC.jpg https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:914819374] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 12/28/18 8:48:51 AM #57:	I wonder how many people join proud boys and antifa just for the fighting, and don't really give a crap about the cause --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:914819414] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many people join proud boys and antifa just for the fighting, and don't really give a crap about the cause</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/28/18 8:52:34 AM #58:	It's always Antifa who start fights always. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:914819523] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote>It's always Antifa who start fights always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/28/18 8:53:29 AM #59:	Dyinglegacy posted... I wonder how many people join proud boys and antifa just for the fighting, and don't really give a crap about the cause I honestly believe that most of the people that give Antifa a bad name are Anarchists who latch on for the violence. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:914819550] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many people join proud boys and antifa just for the fighting, and don't really give a crap about the cause</quote> I honestly believe that most of the people that give Antifa a bad name are Anarchists who latch on for the violence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/28/18 8:55:21 AM #60:	creativerealms posted... It's always Antifa who start fights always. the proud boys literally have a hazing ritual which requires them to get in a fight with an antifa member. plus they're fascist --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914819599] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>It's always Antifa who start fights always.</quote> the proud boys literally have a hazing ritual which requires them to get in a fight with an antifa member. plus they're fascist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/28/18 9:06:14 AM #61:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914819883] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 12/28/18 9:10:23 AM #62:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. You thought wrong. The article says it missed and it was also after the proud boy charged. Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence I have no idea what Ryuko was going for but using this logic The proud boys charging the antifa wasn't the initiation. Missing with the bottle wasn't the initiation. The proud boy crashing into the protestors was first contact and the initiation. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:914820022] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> You thought wrong. The article says it missed and it was also after the proud boy charged. <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence</quote> I have no idea what Ryuko was going for but using this logic The proud boys charging the antifa wasn't the initiation. Missing with the bottle wasn't the initiation. The proud boy crashing into the protestors was first contact and the initiation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bossdog421 12/28/18 9:31:05 AM #63:	A_Good_Boy posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw. This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this. --- Theres a little place where the sun sleeps late. Pours himself a shot of tequila. Its a little place called Pleasure Island. Thats where Id like to feel ya. <cite>Bossdog421 posted [p:914820590] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw.</quote> This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/28/18 9:33:25 AM #64:	Bossdog421 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw. This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this. the proud boys are fascist, which means they are instigating by defaulti --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914820658] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bossdog421 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw.</quote> This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this.</quote> the proud boys are fascist, which means they are instigating by defaulti</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/28/18 11:07:07 AM #65:	Bossdog421 posted... A_Good_Boy posted... gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw. This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this. And then the dude charged at them. Sorry bro, gleefully initiating a fight doesn't make for a solid case of self defense. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914823902] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bossdog421 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote> I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. </quote> Which wouldn't have happened if the first boy wouldn't have charged at him. The act of fighting precipitated the violence, not the bottle throw.</quote> This wouldnt have happened if a bunch of people didnt show up to protest in full masks, stalk the guys after the event and block the path. You can see in the video they were clearly in a line blocking a path, they were instigating the hell out of this.</quote> And then the dude charged at them. Sorry bro, gleefully initiating a fight doesn't make for a solid case of self defense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/28/18 12:24:27 PM #66:	RickyTheBAWSE posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence that... is not what I was saying at all what are you saying? Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled. It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914827041] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence </quote> that... is not what I was saying at all </quote> what are you saying? </quote> Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense</quote> your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled.</quote> It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/28/18 12:28:02 PM #67:	creativerealms posted... It's always Antifa who start fights always. clicks on report sees sig closes reporting box nevermind --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914827204] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>It's always Antifa who start fights always.</quote> clicks on report sees sig closes reporting box nevermind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/28/18 1:17:36 PM #68:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence that... is not what I was saying at all what are you saying? Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled. It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz... as I said, I'm more willing to engage kaname like this, because again, if I recall correctly, they're like 15 I got a lot of toxic ideas from this place when I was around that age that took me a long time to unlearn, and if nothing else, I want to try to couteract that --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914829373] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence </quote> that... is not what I was saying at all </quote> what are you saying? </quote> Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense</quote> your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled.</quote> It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz...</quote> as I said, I'm more willing to engage kaname like this, because again, if I recall correctly, they're like 15 I got a lot of toxic ideas from this place when I was around that age that took me a long time to unlearn, and if nothing else, I want to try to couteract that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/28/18 1:22:42 PM #69:	averagejoel posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... RickyTheBAWSE posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence that... is not what I was saying at all what are you saying? Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled. It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz... as I said, I'm more willing to engage kaname like this, because again, if I recall correctly, they're like 15 I got a lot of toxic ideas from this place when I was around that age that took me a long time to unlearn, and if nothing else, I want to try to couteract that You are a more patient soul than I (granted I was 18 when I first joined the site and I think 20 before I visited social boards regularly) --- "No one cares about Chill or Coth or Error or Dawkins or whatever any of the other drama queens are." -UnfairRepresent <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914829616] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote> just because someone scares you doesn?t make attacking them self defence </quote> that... is not what I was saying at all </quote> what are you saying? </quote> Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense</quote> your response has more words they have karma. hopefully you're not being trolled.</quote> It's kaname, who is known for defending people like muffinzorz...</quote> as I said, I'm more willing to engage kaname like this, because again, if I recall correctly, they're like 15 I got a lot of toxic ideas from this place when I was around that age that took me a long time to unlearn, and if nothing else, I want to try to couteract that</quote> You are a more patient soul than I (granted I was 18 when I first joined the site and I think 20 before I visited social boards regularly)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 12/28/18 1:25:56 PM #70:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm. That's what you get for thinking. Article clearly said that they charged at the protestors first before any PLASTIC bottle was thrown and missed. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:914829772] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>I thought the other side throwing the bottle was the initial contact. Hmm.</quote> That's what you get for thinking. Article clearly said that they charged at the protestors first before any PLASTIC bottle was thrown and missed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/28/18 2:07:01 PM #71:	people are more receptive to info that supports their narrative and quicker to criticize and reject info that contradicts. but it takes a certain level of ignorance to be this irrationally indignant when active Fascist get that ass whooped. sympathizers are only a couple steps from being traitors themselves. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:914831880] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote>people are more receptive to info that supports their narrative and quicker to criticize and reject info that contradicts. but it takes a certain level of ignorance to be this irrationally indignant when active Fascist get that ass whooped. sympathizers are only a couple steps from being traitors themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 12/29/18 3:10:29 AM #72:	averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... averagejoel posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence that... is not what I was saying at all what are you saying? Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense But everyone should have free speech. And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them. this has nothing to do with free speech. even if it did, fascists' free speech is less important than the lives of the people they threaten (and again, they threaten those people just by existing) making fascists afraid to go outside is indisputably a good thing. if no fascist could safely step outside again, the world would be a much better place also you are incorrect about debate. it's not an effective tool for... anything really. deplatforming them and attacking them physically are both far more effective for neutralizing them as a threat now I have addressed all your points. please don't move the goalposts again okay I dont know how to respond --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:914863254] in Video foot... [t:77337862]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence</quote> that... is not what I was saying at all</quote> what are you saying?</quote> Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability. Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part. For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense</quote> But everyone should have free speech. And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.</quote> this has nothing to do with free speech. even if it did, fascists' free speech is less important than the lives of the people they threaten (and again, they threaten those people just by existing) making fascists afraid to go outside is indisputably a good thing. if no fascist could safely step outside again, the world would be a much better place also you are incorrect about debate. it's not an effective tool for... anything really. deplatforming them and attacking them physically are both far more effective for neutralizing them as a threat now I have addressed all your points. please don't move the goalposts again</quote> okay I dont know how to respond</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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