Current Events > One piece of dialogue in Fellowship of the Ring I dont get (spoilers)

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After Bilbo does his disappearing act at the party he and Gandalf are discussing his magic ring in his home and he calls it his precious, to which Gandalf replies...

"It's been called that before, but not by you"

...How does he know that? And more importantly if he knows that, then how is he not immediately aware that its the One Ring of Sauron's?

Do all magic rings in Middle-earth make people call them their precious? Is Galadriel calling her ring her precious every night? How does he know Bilbo has never called it that before then?

This one line is so confusing to me.

Thats... actually a good point....
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Because he knows the ring had been taken from Gollum, who he is familiar with. It just wasn't certain at that time that the ring possed by Gollum was the One Ring.

It just means he sees Bilbo slipping to a state in which Gollum was; utterly obsessed.
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Total_Lost2 posted...

Because he knows the ring had been taken from Gollum, who he is familiar with. It just wasn't certain at that time that the ring possed by Gollum was the One Ring.

Ah okay, that's fair.

It's still kind of dumb that he doesn't realize that Gollum's ring is Sauron's seeing as his purpose in Middle-earth is anti-Sauronness, but that's another issue.

Hes motherfucking Gandalf bruh.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

It's still kind of dumb that he doesn't realize that Gollum's ring is Sauron's seeing as his purpose in Middle-earth is anti-Sauronness, but that's another issue.

Didn't he think the Ring was destroyed at the time?
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My favorite part in the movie is when Gandalf leaves the shire and goes to Minis Tirith to study the possibility of it being the one ring. Then he rides back to the shire in what looks like maybe a couple weeks/months had passed, but in the book its been 17 years. I think it would be hilarious if in the movie it just faded to black and said 17 years later. The average audience would be like this Wizard was off reading books for almost 2 decades!!

I Know they show a lot of dust around the envelope but still
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Meh, he had his suspicions. It just wasn't after he read an ancient scroll and saw the markings on the ring (after throwing it in the fire) that he was certain.

Hell, at the time Bilbo found the ring it had been missing for nearly 3000 years. It wasn't until after Gollums capture (and release/escape) from Mordor that he started investigating more and going through all the scrolls in Minas Tirith. Even more so because he wasn't the "expert" of their group regarding the Rings of Power. That was Saruman.

<_< And really, the only reason he came back for the ring was because Sauron send out the Ring Wraiths towards the hobbit(like) encampements
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DD Divine posted...

My favorite part in the movie is when Gandalf leaves the shire and goes to Minis Tirith to study the possibility of it being the one ring. Then he rides back to the shire in what looks like maybe a couple weeks/months had passed, but in the book its been 17 years. I think it would be hilarious if in the movie it just faded to black and said 17 years later. The average audience would be like this Wizard was off reading books for almost 2 decades!!

I Know they show a lot of dust around the envelope but still

You know, I kind of think it sounds better for it to have been a matter of months, maybe a year. Instead of 17 years.
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pegusus123456 posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

It's still kind of dumb that he doesn't realize that Gollum's ring is Sauron's seeing as his purpose in Middle-earth is anti-Sauronness, but that's another issue.

Didn't he think the Ring was destroyed at the time?

No, he thought it was lost. Elrond knew Isildur took it, and it vanished when he was ambushed on the shores of the Anduin. As far as anyone knew, it was somewhere on the riverbed, but there was next to no chance of every finding it.
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DD Divine posted...

My favorite part in the movie is when Gandalf leaves the shire and goes to Minis Tirith to study the possibility of it being the one ring. Then he rides back to the shire in what looks like maybe a couple weeks/months had passed, but in the book its been 17 years. I think it would be hilarious if in the movie it just faded to black and said 17 years later. The average audience would be like this Wizard was off reading books for almost 2 decades!!

I Know they show a lot of dust around the envelope but still

Doesn't the movie ignore the 17 year gap? Like I think some of the dates are corrected to not be 17 years later. It does the same with the siege of Barad-dur in the second age which was like 3 years in the book canon but in the movie canon its only like a few months.

At least that's how I remember it, haven't been that deep into the films in a long ass time

Total_Lost2 posted...

Because he knows the ring had been taken from Gollum, who he is familiar with.

Wait a minute.

So, did Gandalf wring out the whole tale regarding how Bilbo found the Ring in Gollum's cave? I seem to remember that Gandalf maybe did wring out more than what Bilbo said(to others like Thorin's company, he kept telling it was a prize he won fair-and-square from the riddle game or something), but to that extent? Of details like Gollum obsessing over the thing while calling it 'precious'?

And surely, Gandalf wasn't 'familiar' with Gollum at that time, he only knew of Gollum from whatever Bilbo told him. It was only until a few years later(before Gandalf goes to the Shire to confirm it indeed is Sauron's Ring) when Aragorn captured Gollum in the vicinity of the Dead Marshes did Gandalf see Gollum in the flesh for the first time.

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

It's still kind of dumb that he doesn't realize that Gollum's ring is Sauron's seeing as his purpose in Middle-earth is anti-Sauronness, but that's another issue.

Didn't he think the Ring was destroyed at the time?

No, he thought it was lost. Elrond knew Isildur took it, and it vanished when he was ambushed on the shores of the Anduin. As far as anyone knew, it was somewhere on the riverbed, but there was next to no chance of every finding it.

It goes even further. Saruman, who is the so-called 'expert' on ring-lore, dissuaded everyone else from searching the river(the idea must have been proposed at least once by one of the Wise) by saying that it's obvious it tumbled down along with the flow of Anduin into the Great Sea. He said, "Let it lie there until the end, when the world is changed." or something to that effect. It's also implied that after turning the other members of the Wise away like that, he took to searching the river on his own, hoping to find it, not knowing that Gollum already went off with it years earlier.

Esrac posted...

DD Divine posted...

My favorite part in the movie is when Gandalf leaves the shire and goes to Minis Tirith to study the possibility of it being the one ring. Then he rides back to the shire in what looks like maybe a couple weeks/months had passed, but in the book its been 17 years. I think it would be hilarious if in the movie it just faded to black and said 17 years later. The average audience would be like this Wizard was off reading books for almost 2 decades!!

I Know they show a lot of dust around the envelope but still

You know, I kind of think it sounds better for it to have been a matter of months, maybe a year. Instead of 17 years.

Doesn't quite explain Bilbo's scene in Rivendell in that case, though. Frodo and Bilbo are a bit way too overjoyed at the reunion for it to have been an year or less, and even with the Ring no longer in his possession, in the movie Bilbo has aged far, far too much in that time.

Even so, 17 years as in the book is a bit extreme, especially considering Sam, Merry and Pippin are all already visible in Bilbo's party in the movie yet they hadn't aged much if at all, either. A movie-only retcon of five-ish years might have been acceptable.
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So, did Gandalf wring out the whole tale regarding how Bilbo found the Ring in Gollum's cave? I seem to remember that Gandalf maybe did wring out more than what Bilbo said(to others like Thorin's company, he kept telling it was a prize he won fair-and-square from the riddle game or something), but to that extent? Of details like Gollum obsessing over the thing while calling it 'precious'?

IIRC he was able to wring out the truth some years after the events of the Hobbit but before the events of the LotR. Can't remember exactly where though, might have been the appendixes or Unfinished Tales. It's been years though since I've read them, so I might be mistaking.
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DD Divine posted...

My favorite part in the movie is when Gandalf leaves the shire and goes to Minis Tirith to study the possibility of it being the one ring. Then he rides back to the shire in what looks like maybe a couple weeks/months had passed, but in the book its been 17 years. I think it would be hilarious if in the movie it just faded to black and said 17 years later. The average audience would be like this Wizard was off reading books for almost 2 decades!!

I Know they show a lot of dust around the envelope but still

Him and Aragorn were searching for Gollum to confirm in an area of land the size of NY.

He also visited during those 17 years.
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Hobbits age slow.
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