Current Events > If an ultrasound revealed pre-birth that your child had a medium to serious

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Physical deformities I could deal with, unless the kid is really fucked up, like just a torso and a head or something. That would be a terrible life.

Mental disabilities, abort. Zero question.
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Yep. That's a heavy burden to be strapped with, for all parties involved.
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I had to get rid of 3 babies because they all had foreskin on their dingledoos

I voted not really sure what i'd do. Bringing someone with a defect into this world seems cruel, but Im aware that what constitutes as a defect probably differs a lot from person to person. Hell, I personally know a few Asians who think their slightly dark skin is a defect (they call it ugly or yucky) and they actively look for lighter-skinned guys to start a family. I bet they would abort a darker baby, if they knew ahead of time.

This question reminds me of the movie Gattaca.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That's irrelevant.

Since it was the point I was making it is relevant. Please keep up.

Of course.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Raise this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Y74rLltuI" data-time="

Life as I knew it stopped, but a much better life actually began.

I know outwardly it looks tragic and terribly hard but the most fulfilling lives arent usually easy. Now I dont know if I could do it personally, but the mom in this video is thankful for her daughter.
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iClockwork posted...

Since it was the point I was making it is relevant. P

no it's really not

You don't get autonomy over other people's bodies
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It depends on how late into the pregnancy the discovery is. If it's like 6 months in, then hell no. Late term abortion is sick, imo. If it's super early, then yeah, I think I would. I wouldn't want to live with a severe mental disability. Something to the point that it hinders my ability to understand and enjoy life.
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EzeDoesIt posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Raise this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Y74rLltuI" data-time="

Life as I knew it stopped, but a much better life actually began.

I know outwardly it looks tragic and terribly hard but the most fulfilling lives arent usually easy. Now I dont know if I could do it personally, but the mom in this video is thankful for her daughter.

Heartbreaking to watch that. I had to turn it off.
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Yea. It is the moral thimg to do
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Better than a single mother and child being unsupported.

No it's not.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Better than a single mother and child being unsupported.

No it's not.

I'd love to hear why.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

I'd love to hear why.

If the father doesn't want to be in the child's life, and makes it known to the mother, it is now her choice on whether to abort the baby as she doesn't want to raise it alone, or shoulder the responsibility since SHE wants it and he doesn't and let her know. It's not fair to the father to force him to take care of a child he doesn't want.

Short answer: The mother chooses to have the child so if she has any financial troubles it's literally her choice. The father doesn't get that liberty.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I'd love to hear why.

If the father doesn't want to be in the child's life, and makes it known to the mother, it is now her choice on whether to abort the baby as she doesn't want to raise it alone, or shoulder the responsibility since SHE wants it and he doesn't and let her know. It's not fair to the father to force him to take care of a child he doesn't want.

Short answer: The mother chooses to have the child so if she has any financial troubles it's literally her choice. The father doesn't get that liberty.

That ignores the well being of the child if it's born.

I'm more pro-abortion than pro-choice but a financial ultimatum doesn't sit well with me either.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Raise this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Y74rLltuI" data-time="

Srsly though, try raising a child with this serious mental/physical problems. This womans life revolved around taking care of her daughter 24/7 for 30+ years. The only reason she was able to do so was because she was in a far better position financially to take on this task than most other people.

This would break most peoples livelihoods, ultimately leading them to homelessness and unable to support their childs life. Even worst would be if they have other children to raise, risking their futures as well.
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@iPhone_7
u didnt see my post
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ThePrinceFish posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life. This idea that you are saving your child from a life of suffering is nothing more than a weak inward justification of not wanting the burden on yourself to take care of a disabled child.

Tell that to someone whose child would be born with Harlequin Baby Syndrome.
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Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.
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EzeDoesIt posted...

@iPhone_7
u didnt see my post

Why wasn't the father in the video?

Did I miss the part where this tore up their marriage?
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.

Tell that to an anencephalic fetus
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MrPeppers posted...

Vita_Aeterna posted...

Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.

Tell that to an anencephalic fetus

A fetus isn't a person...
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.

Fuck that. Unless you've adopted a special needs child then STFU. The foster system is severely underfunded and the "pro-life" party is anti-taxes.
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.

Because they might be in constant pain or nothing more than a drooling mass of flesh that will barely have sentience before dying young.

This really comes down to whether or not you think a fetus has rights, which just makes it the normal abortion argument. Even if you think it did, parents still ultimately decide the fates of their children. If a perfectly healthy, living child became deathly ill, the parents can choose to pull the plug.

We need more right-to-die laws anyway imo.
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We have birthright citizenship in the U.S..
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@Webmaster4531 posted...

EzeDoesIt posted...

@iPhone_7
u didnt see my post

Why wasn't the father in the video?

Did I miss the part where this tore up their marriage?

He passed away several years ago. (See? I can imagine hypotheticals as well.)
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@Webmaster4531 posted...

Vita_Aeterna posted...

Allow the person to be born but put it up for adoption. Once you're dead there's no way to undo it, but at least if you're alive, you have the choice to be dead.

How can I assume that this child doesn't want to live? I can't. Let the child have a shot at life.

Fuck that. Unless you've adopted a special needs child then STFU. The foster system is severely underfunded and the "pro-life" party is anti-taxes.

Agree with you here though, pro-lifers generally seem not to give a fuck about the child once it exits the womb.
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Yeah consider that baby aborted

I don't have the mental fortitude to take care of disabled children
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The problem is that fetal anomalies in ultrasound are not all or nothing conditions. Soft call findings like an echogenic bowel or echogenic cardiac focus may heighten a suspsicion for high risk women for certain genetic disabilities. But then you need to look at positive predictive values and the differences between screening and invasive diagnostic testing, which carries its own unique risks.

The bottom line is that people who hard call kill it without appropriate counseling are fucking idiots, point blank. And none of it really matters on this board since yall will never carry a pregnancy and literally have zero autonomy over this kind of decision.
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Frankly, I don't really know what I'd do. I'm neither in favor of killing unborn entities and being responsible (I believe women should have the right to choose what to do with their bodies though) nor do I think certain kinds of children should have to "suffer" through a terrible life. Me letting it live but letting others make the final choice is my (admittedly cowardly) way of compromise.

*shrugs*

even the wisest cannot see all ends
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If anything, this is state wards need to be a thing again.