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J03can
12/20/18 7:46:32 PM
#51:


I keep seeing "automation is taking mu jab"
Why not recognize that automation is a field that is literally begging for people and it pays pretty well...
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/20/18 8:01:18 PM
#52:


People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.
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ultimate reaver
12/20/18 8:05:35 PM
#53:


J03can posted...
I keep seeing "automation is taking mu jab"
Why not recognize that automation is a field that is literally begging for people and it pays pretty well...


Because a lot of the people who are having their jobs taken by automation are old and not in a position to learn a bunch of new skills without governmental programs based around retraining them.
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NeonOctopus
12/20/18 8:05:59 PM
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lincoln002
12/20/18 8:14:25 PM
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J03can posted...
I keep seeing "automation is taking mu jab"
Why not recognize that automation is a field that is literally begging for people and it pays pretty well...


Yes the umbrella of automation is begging for work because tech companies know its a simple investment that pays for itself and some. We've literally got people working in AI right now trying to figure out a way to automate their own job. Now that's silly, but it's reality. While we continue to be this massive consumption machine inequality continues to rise because the very foundations that this system is built around, the legs, inherently revolves around ripping someone off or cheating them out of something. No 1000 a month government isn't the best solution, but it's better than doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results and ignoring the massive amount of suffering that occurs due to the outdated system we have. We literally have devices that monitor us at all times right now, we can actually reach people on a personal level of accountability like never before in a country of astounding abundance where grocery stores throw away tons of food a day. Scarcity is becoming a thing of the past we need to switch to an abundance mindset, there's plenty to go around and ultimate goal should be to end suffering.
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lincoln002
12/20/18 8:23:30 PM
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And I agree, if we continue to live in a wage-labor system ubi is the future. The educational institutions will make sure of that as there is a massive movement towards education in ethics and logical thinking. Future thinkers will look back at this period of transition as one of the most important time in history but also most controversial. Too many people are used to a system where cheating large groups of people is viewed as intelligent and encouraged, the question is what happens when this reality is addressed and more ethical and logical thinking is applied? Only the future will tell.
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1337toothbrush
12/20/18 8:38:23 PM
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Space_Man posted...
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Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?

maybe you're just lazy and/or aren't good at what you love doing.

most people i know who are moderately well-off (mentally and financially) work part or full time at a basic job (food industry, insurance, etc) and do other creative pursuits on the side.

Every job is work, ya silly goose. It just depends on whether you actually enjoy it. Much like the age old saying 'Imagine Sisyphus happy' ya dig?

Also I like how you imply that my ideas are bad but don't say anything to add, reflect upon, or constructively critique and instead decide to be immature. Stay gold, ponyboy

I'm very good at what I'm doing, which is the problem. I get bored at my job. You, on the other hand, must find basic things challenging, so you're constantly engaged. It's called work, "ya silly goose", most times you're not going to enjoy it. I do work on the side, but it sucks when my regular job takes up so much time.

There is nothing to add to your stupid idea because it's an oft-repeated unoriginal cliche of "follow your dreams" bullshit that morons eat up while running on their hamster wheel of futility, continuing to "have faith" in this idiotic bullshit. Hey, whatever keeps them from realizing how pointless the rat race is, gotta keep that productivity up for their corporate masters.

I started a music studio and yeah it's tough work because you have to deal with ppl who don't into arrangement but it's good money and fun. IDK maybe youre just interested in boring things or are ok with stagnation so you don't try. Maybe read a self help book, bro.

What I'm working on now is advertising and eventually turning into a full fledged record label. Not even that expensive since I have mastering equipment for CDs (20 at a time) and cassettes (10 at a time)

It's hard if you try but worth it. Keep at it I believe in you even if you don't believe in yourself

Enjoy chasing that dead-end dream. Seriously, are you living in the 90s?
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DevsBro
12/20/18 10:37:30 PM
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Well the future is a crappy place so yeah probably
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Space_Man
12/20/18 11:01:45 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Enjoy chasing that dead-end dream. Seriously, are you living in the 90s?

Dang man, I can't keep up with this amount of edge. Have fun with your cynical, yet glaringly dull outlook on life

Wtf does the 90s have to do with anything lmao. I'm making money doing it right now, didn't have to put much money into it, and would be working on personal stuff anyway - so why not get practice and help out some local bands by recording something better than what they could do on their own? No loss here, other than not being a curmudgeon with nothing to look forward to. I forgot that we all gotta be grumps nowadays cus feelings and excuses but I'm sure you know more about that since all you've said boils down to that..
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/20/18 11:27:34 PM
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Space_Man posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Enjoy chasing that dead-end dream. Seriously, are you living in the 90s?

Dang man, I can't keep up with this amount of edge. Have fun with your cynical, yet glaringly dull outlook on life

Wtf does the 90s have to do with anything lmao. I'm making money doing it right now, didn't have to put much money into it, and would be working on personal stuff anyway - so why not get practice and help out some local bands by recording something better than what they could do on their own? No loss here, other than not being a curmudgeon with nothing to look forward to. I forgot that we all gotta be grumps nowadays cus feelings and excuses but I'm sure you know more about that since all you've said boils down to that..


Don't let negative people affect you. I honestly think what you're doing is great and there is no greater feeling than finding success after all the hard work you put it.

CE is filled with doubters, complainers and entitled people. They flock to the idea of UBI because they're lazy and incompetent. Most of them wouldn't dare to start anything on their own... the idea of failure would shatter their fragile egos.
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SauI_Goodman
12/20/18 11:32:08 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/20/18 11:40:47 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.
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scorpion41
12/20/18 11:45:51 PM
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Really wish people would stop using countries with a population that is a fraction of the size of the US population to push their communist bullshit. It makes you look really dumb...
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SauI_Goodman
12/20/18 11:46:59 PM
#64:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

I guess I meant more along the lines of mass automation. But we are talking hundreds of years.
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Rika_Furude
12/20/18 11:51:24 PM
#65:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/20/18 11:57:41 PM
#66:


Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?


That type of automation didn't take jobs away, it created more jobs in other industries. How does the machine get built? Humans. Hardware engineering, hardware design, software engineering, user interface design, digitization of and updating of menus, distribution, installation and maintenance.

This is nothing new. Kiosks have existed in airport for over a decade. Did it take jobs away? Nope. Airports are still full of humans.
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Rika_Furude
12/21/18 12:01:30 AM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?


That type of automation didn't take jobs away, it created more jobs in other industries. How does the machine get built? Humans. Hardware engineering, hardware design, software engineering, user interface design, digitization of and updating of menus, distribution, installation and maintenance.

This is nothing new. Kiosks have existed in airport for over a decade. Did it take jobs away? Nope. Airports are still full of humans.

The machines will be built by machines. Tesla factories already have a minimal amount of humans
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/21/18 12:06:17 AM
#68:


Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?


That type of automation didn't take jobs away, it created more jobs in other industries. How does the machine get built? Humans. Hardware engineering, hardware design, software engineering, user interface design, digitization of and updating of menus, distribution, installation and maintenance.

This is nothing new. Kiosks have existed in airport for over a decade. Did it take jobs away? Nope. Airports are still full of humans.

The machines will be built by machines. Tesla factories already have a minimal amount of humans


You mean this?

Elon Musk calls excessive use of robots at Tesla factory 'mistake', says humans are underrated
https://tinyurl.com/y79tjyo8
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Rika_Furude
12/21/18 12:07:35 AM
#69:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?


That type of automation didn't take jobs away, it created more jobs in other industries. How does the machine get built? Humans. Hardware engineering, hardware design, software engineering, user interface design, digitization of and updating of menus, distribution, installation and maintenance.

This is nothing new. Kiosks have existed in airport for over a decade. Did it take jobs away? Nope. Airports are still full of humans.

The machines will be built by machines. Tesla factories already have a minimal amount of humans


You mean this?

Elon Musk calls excessive use of robots at Tesla factory 'mistake', says humans are underrated
https://tinyurl.com/y79tjyo8

Nobody said robots are taking over tomorrow. That doesnt invalidate my point.
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Roxborough4Ever
12/21/18 3:35:27 AM
#70:


Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
SauI_Goodman posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
People keep using automation as fearmongering. People do this every 5 to 10 years. I bet 30 years ago, people were crying about computers taking over their jobs, but it created only more jobs.

I feel like a lot of people (mostly NEETs) want complete automation to happen, so they can make a case for something unsustainable like UBI.


OP makes this topic twice a week. Automation isn't gonna happen that fast. It'll be here eventually but not in 5 years like he states. People said the same thing about the industrial revolution. And oh look. We're fine.


Actually, I would say that automation is already here and it has created a lot of jobs. Most factories have a tons of automation, but it didn't take jobs away, it help created more jobs because the process became more efficient.

After people complained about computers replacing humans 30 years ago, over 80 million jobs were created. They have no case at all. It's all a bunch of lazy bums hoping for UBI so they don't have to put in any effort to make their lives better.

The difference between now and then is that now automation will be taking away more jobs than it creates. Why would a mcdonalds hire 10 people why they can buy some robots and hire 1 person to maintain them for multiple locations? What job was created for those people now looking for work?


That type of automation didn't take jobs away, it created more jobs in other industries. How does the machine get built? Humans. Hardware engineering, hardware design, software engineering, user interface design, digitization of and updating of menus, distribution, installation and maintenance.

This is nothing new. Kiosks have existed in airport for over a decade. Did it take jobs away? Nope. Airports are still full of humans.

The machines will be built by machines. Tesla factories already have a minimal amount of humans


the same factory outside under a tent?
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Anti-245
12/21/18 3:50:15 AM
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We should all be glad that wage labor is on its way out but that doesn't mean that neofeudalism should take its place
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1337toothbrush
12/21/18 12:08:33 PM
#72:


Space_Man posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Enjoy chasing that dead-end dream. Seriously, are you living in the 90s?

Dang man, I can't keep up with this amount of edge. Have fun with your cynical, yet glaringly dull outlook on life

Wtf does the 90s have to do with anything lmao. I'm making money doing it right now, didn't have to put much money into it, and would be working on personal stuff anyway - so why not get practice and help out some local bands by recording something better than what they could do on their own? No loss here, other than not being a curmudgeon with nothing to look forward to. I forgot that we all gotta be grumps nowadays cus feelings and excuses but I'm sure you know more about that since all you've said boils down to that..

Don't quit your day job.
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GasMonkey
12/21/18 1:14:10 PM
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RoadsterUFO posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
RoadsterUFO posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
As soon as we get to the point where machines can build and fix machines; UBI will be necessary. Until then people have to adapt and the government should assist with that transition. Asking a coal miner to learn engineering or computer science on their own while they're out of work is unrealistic.


No, it isnt. It isnt anyone elses fault but the coal miner that they refused to improve themselves to adapt to the changes technology bring about. The coal miner is loser that refuses to adapt and learn a new skill or language to make himself viable in the job market and the productive of society should not be forced to subsidize his sorry ass.

Well... they could be quickly retrained for thorium or uranium mining, if we'd stop being so damn paranoid about nuclear.


Its a shame nuclear energy is so chastised by pseudoscience hipster vegan leftists.


you keep saying leftist.... idttwmwytim
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