Current Events > Universal Basic Income is the future

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- Automation is putting tons of people out of jobs. We need to find a way to pay people who let themselves become obsolete to society money for doing nothing

- It works in Norway, it will damn well work in America

- Working is a waste of time anyway
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Cost of living and taxes will just go up just as much.
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its only decent if u replace many other welfare programs with UBI because it is unsustainable on top of everything else.
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just woke up from my NEET nap
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I spend at least half my work day surfing the internet not related to my job.
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Speaking form personal frustration: how about we take some different steps. Let's get some people that may be better off out of the labor force by offering them comfortable living income. The disabled, people suffering from burnout, people getting up in years, there are a lot of people still working because social programs offer poverty at best, and they are likely the ones most hit by automation changes.

Let's not give everyone free money just yet. Let's start by offering a decent standard of living to those not best able to do so themselves.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Let's not give everyone free money just yet. Let's start by offering a decent standard of living to those not best able to do so themselves.

What's the means test for "burnout"?

Questionmarktarius posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Let's not give everyone free money just yet. Let's start by offering a decent standard of living to those not best able to do so themselves.

What's the means test for "burnout"?

If you don't feel like working then you can get free money and video games
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Questionmarktarius posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Let's not give everyone free money just yet. Let's start by offering a decent standard of living to those not best able to do so themselves.

What's the means test for "burnout"?

Same as it is now for some form of stress leave or disability in most areas: doctor's diagnosis and signs of a prolonged issue impacting physical and mental health.
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lol just work hard and get a job where it doesn't feel like "work"

all these people thinking they can run their own business or work a trade out of the blue without any prior investment. You can't plant a seed and expect to eat the fruit on the same day, ya dig? Saying nobody should work cus it's a waste of time is just diminishing what people can accomplish when they're able to get to a point where they're in-sync with what they're doing. You know, like when a piano player no longer needs to "look" at the keys, or when a jazz musician no longer needs to think "ok, this chord will work next" - when the conscious mind no longer interferes with subconscious processes.

That's the whole point of "work" - to get your 'passion' ingrained into your subconscious mind so that the rules are no longer thought of and you can break them while still fitting into the status quo.

People just lazy and decide they want their cake and to eat it too when they're like "I don't wanna work towards my dreams waaah" but like, if they just get what they want then why work for it, ya dig? Like, say I want to become a lawyer...nowadays my situation will be "Ok, I have to study hard to work towards this dream, otherwise I'll end up at Mac-Donalds for life" but with free handouts to get free money or free jobs? I'll just think "fuck studying, I can just get free money and free tendies 4 lyfe, bro"

Think about it.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

The economic illiteracy is strong in the opening post. Automation kills off jobs that are no longer necessary and opens the path up for more jobs so resources can be allocated elsewhere. It is no ones fault but your own if you cant find one. This whole pro-protectionist technology is bad fear mongering is straight out the playbook of a century ago when losers in the ice box industry cried about how the refrigerator rightfully killed off their now obsolete jobs. It was bad enough when it was just leftists that spewed this bs, we also now have rightists like Tucker Carlson advocating for protectionist policies against automation with economically illiterate feelings and good intentions.

Productive people should not be forced to subsidize others. This applies to your various current programs that already exist in the United States and UBI.

Buddy - I would not want to be you when the revolution happens.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Buddy - I would not want to be you when the revolution happens.

Too bad ya have to work for that revolution to happen

REMercsChamp posted...

- Working is a waste of time anyway

Or are ya gonna wait for an automated revolution?
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Back to serfdom we go!
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Space_Man posted...

Or are ya gonna wait for an automated revolution?

"Trucks will all be driving themselves in 2040, so why are you even going to work for the next 20 years?"
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Universal basic income but you have to prove you were never a NEET before getting it
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Uncle Choad posted...

Space_Man posted...

Or are ya gonna wait for an automated revolution?

"Trucks will all be driving themselves in 2040, so why are you even going to work for the next 20 years?"

If you think about it, 2040 already exists but at a different point in time. Like why do anything about your life when you can sit around and let circumstance run its course.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

The economic illiteracy is strong in the opening post. Automation kills off jobs that are no longer necessary and opens the path up for more jobs so resources can be allocated elsewhere. It is no ones fault but your own if you cant find one. This whole pro-protectionist technology is bad fear mongering is straight out the playbook of a century ago when losers in the ice box industry cried about how the refrigerator rightfully killed off their now obsolete jobs. It was bad enough when it was just leftists that spewed this bs, we also now have rightists like Tucker Carlson advocating for protectionist policies against automation with economically illiterate feelings and good intentions.

Productive people should not be forced to subsidize others. This applies to your various current programs that already exist in the United States and UBI.

Buddy - I would not want to be you when the revolution happens.

This isnt a legitimate argument rebuttal to what I said.

Shut up dude

Quit raining on my free stuff parade
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Space_Man posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Space_Man posted...

Or are ya gonna wait for an automated revolution?

"Trucks will all be driving themselves in 2040, so why are you even going to work for the next 20 years?"

If you think about it, 2040 already exists but at a different point in time. Like why do anything about your life when you can sit around and let circumstance run its course.

Why even think about finances when UBI will eventually happen? Waste of time #YOLO.
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REMercsChamp posted...

automation

REMercsChamp posted...

Universal basic income

It's a necessity with automation or we'll be all starving to death while oligarchs are waited on by machines.
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Uncle Choad posted...

Why even think about finances when UBI will eventually happen? Waste of time #YOLO.

Why is it called income if they aren't working for it? Shouldn't it be called welfare instead.

That whole idea makes me think of a retirement home but for everyone in the country.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

automation

REMercsChamp posted...

Universal basic income

It's a necessity with automation or we'll be all starving to death while oligarchs are waited on by machines.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what UBI is, lol.
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Space_Man posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Why even think about finances when UBI will eventually happen? Waste of time #YOLO.

Why is it called income if they aren't working for it? Shouldn't it be called welfare instead.

That whole idea makes me think of a retirement home but for everyone in the country.

Government stipends, based on your required needs!

Wait..
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Why do we even have money if everyone is gonna get greedy. Why don't we just have microchips inside of everyone and an allowance or something?

Why don't we just force everyone to live in an Amazon factory or a Walmart or something then all of their food will be right there, and everyone can work on a farm or something for their own Walmart's food and stuff. I guess we can still get Clothes, Phones, and other things from Sweatshops in China.
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It's apart of the Make America Great Again plan. It's already looking better outside.
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Space_Man posted...

Why do we even have money if everyone is gonna get greedy. Why don't we just have microchips inside of everyone and an allowance or something?

Why don't we just force everyone to live in an Amazon factory or a Walmart or something then all of their food will be right there, and everyone can work on a farm or something for their own Walmart's food and stuff. I guess we can still get Clothes, Phones, and other things from Sweatshops in China.

Why put chips in people who eat when automated assembly doesn't?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Why put chips in people who eat when automated assembly doesn't?

Would British people call micro-chips something else? They already call their french fries Chips. Or will they need a micro-chip license to get micro-chipped but since micro-chips have all the money they won't be able to afford one.

What if we don't eat and we're just like Plankton eating holograms. It's funny because Planktons are into photosynthesis and he was eating light in the form of a hologram.
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REMercsChamp posted...

- Automation is putting tons of people out of jobs. We need to find a way to pay people who let themselves become obsolete to society money for doing nothing

What happens when the robots unionize?
https://hackaday.com/2018/12/20/rise-of-the-unionized-robots/#comment-5619846

I'm watching camgirls and posting on CE while at work
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As soon as we get to the point where machines can build and fix machines; UBI will be necessary. Until then people have to adapt and the government should assist with that transition. Asking a coal miner to learn engineering or computer science on their own while they're out of work is unrealistic.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

As soon as we get to the point where machines can build and fix machines; UBI will be necessary. Until then people have to adapt and the government should assist with that transition. Asking a coal miner to learn engineering or computer science on their own while they're out of work is unrealistic.

No, it isnt. It isnt anyone elses fault but the coal miner that they refused to improve themselves to adapt to the changes technology bring about. The coal miner is loser that refuses to adapt and learn a new skill or language to make himself viable in the job market and the productive of society should not be forced to subsidize his sorry ass.

Well... they could be quickly retrained for thorium or uranium mining, if we'd stop being so damn paranoid about nuclear.

The fear over widespread automation is always the same, and it goes back hundreds if not thousands of years.

"We're gonna lose our jobs! Half of society will become unemployed overnight!"

"Automation has happened before, but never like THIS! This time it's going to be different!"

Guess what, no matter how much stuff we are producing in the economy, we can produce more. We can keep adding value to products and services. That's why the economy manages to still keep trucking along every time machines replace people. The machines replace the people, and now business owners can hire people to do something else to add value that machines currently aren't capable of doing. That way businesses have the machines doing everything that was being done before PLUS the benefit of humans doing a little more. So not only are humans still being employed in that situation, but the products/services they are offering are getting better, too. the That's why automation is win-win for society.
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HenryAllbright posted...

The fear over widespread automation is always the same, and it goes back hundreds if not thousands of years.

"We're gonna lose our jobs! Half of society will become unemployed overnight!"

"Automation has happened before, but never like THIS! This time it's going to be different!"

Guess what, no matter how much stuff we are producing in the economy, we can produce more. We can keep adding value to products and services. That's why the economy manages to still keep trucking along every time machines replace people. The machines replace the people, and now business owners can hire people to do something else to add value that machines currently aren't capable of doing. That way businesses have the machines doing everything that was being done before PLUS the benefit of humans doing a little more. So not only are humans still being employed in that situation, but the products/services they are offering are getting better, too. the That's why automation is win-win for society.

It reaches and end point eventually. And we are at that end point.

The only response at this point is to pay people large sums of money to sit around and waste oxygen
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TC sounds like a troll.
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Space_Man posted...

lol just work hard and get a job where it doesn't feel like "work"

Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?
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UBI will never happen

Look at what happened to horse populations in the USA throughout the 20th century for a hint of whats in store for the obsolete masses
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1337toothbrush posted...

Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?

maybe you're just lazy and/or aren't good at what you love doing.

most people i know who are moderately well-off (mentally and financially) work part or full time at a basic job (food industry, insurance, etc) and do other creative pursuits on the side.

Every job is work, ya silly goose. It just depends on whether you actually enjoy it. Much like the age old saying 'Imagine Sisyphus happy' ya dig?

Also I like how you imply that my ideas are bad but don't say anything to add, reflect upon, or constructively critique and instead decide to be immature. Stay gold, ponyboy
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Pitlord_Special posted...

UBI will never happen

Look at what happened to horse populations in the USA throughout the 20th century for a hint of whats in store for the obsolete masses

This isn't going to happen though

If anything these people will have even more kids and demand $30 an hour jobs for them for doing mindless manual labor
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Space_Man posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?

maybe you're just lazy and/or aren't good at what you love doing.

most people i know who are moderately well-off (mentally and financially) work part or full time at a basic job (food industry, insurance, etc) and do other creative pursuits on the side.

Every job is work, ya silly goose. It just depends on whether you actually enjoy it. Much like the age old saying 'Imagine Sisyphus happy' ya dig?

Also I like how you imply that my ideas are bad but don't say anything to add, reflect upon, or constructively critique and instead decide to be immature. Stay gold, ponyboy

I'm very good at what I'm doing, which is the problem. I get bored at my job. You, on the other hand, must find basic things challenging, so you're constantly engaged. It's called work, "ya silly goose", most times you're not going to enjoy it. I do work on the side, but it sucks when my regular job takes up so much time.

There is nothing to add to your stupid idea because it's an oft-repeated unoriginal cliche of "follow your dreams" bullshit that morons eat up while running on their hamster wheel of futility, continuing to "have faith" in this idiotic bullshit. Hey, whatever keeps them from realizing how pointless the rat race is, gotta keep that productivity up for their corporate masters.
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1337toothbrush posted...

Space_Man posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?

maybe you're just lazy and/or aren't good at what you love doing.

most people i know who are moderately well-off (mentally and financially) work part or full time at a basic job (food industry, insurance, etc) and do other creative pursuits on the side.

Every job is work, ya silly goose. It just depends on whether you actually enjoy it. Much like the age old saying 'Imagine Sisyphus happy' ya dig?

Also I like how you imply that my ideas are bad but don't say anything to add, reflect upon, or constructively critique and instead decide to be immature. Stay gold, ponyboy

I'm very good at what I'm doing, which is the problem. I get bored at my job. You, on the other hand, must find basic things challenging, so you're constantly engaged. It's called work, "ya silly goose", most times you're not going to enjoy it. I do work on the side, but it sucks when my regular job takes up so much time.

There is nothing to add to your stupid idea because it's an oft-repeated unoriginal cliche of "follow your dreams" bullshit that morons eat up while running on their hamster wheel of futility, continuing to "have faith" in this idiotic bullshit. Hey, whatever keeps them from realizing how pointless the rat race is, gotta keep that productivity up for their corporate masters.

If you're so good at what you do and it's beneath you, why not find a more challenging job? There's always something more challenging out there. You aren't the smartest person on the face of the Earth.
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REMercsChamp posted...

If you're so good at what you do and it's beneath you, why not find a more challenging job? There's always something more challenging out there. You aren't the smartest person on the face of the Earth.

I did. I've averaged switching jobs every 1.5 years. It always boils down to the same old shit eventually.
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1337toothbrush posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you're so good at what you do and it's beneath you, why not find a more challenging job? There's always something more challenging out there. You aren't the smartest person on the face of the Earth.

I did. I've averaged switching jobs every 1.5 years. It always boils down to the same old shit eventually.

No - if you're complaining about being bored and the work is beneath you, you aren't there yet.

Sounds like you think you're the smartest person on the face of the Earth.
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REMercsChamp posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

If you're so good at what you do and it's beneath you, why not find a more challenging job? There's always something more challenging out there. You aren't the smartest person on the face of the Earth.

I did. I've averaged switching jobs every 1.5 years. It always boils down to the same old shit eventually.

No - if you're complaining about being bored and the work is beneath you, you aren't there yet.

Sounds like you think you're the smartest person on the face of the Earth.

You're NEET. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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1337toothbrush posted...

Space_Man posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

Yeah, "just" get a job that isn't actual work. What other bright ideas do you have? "Just" win the lottery?

maybe you're just lazy and/or aren't good at what you love doing.

most people i know who are moderately well-off (mentally and financially) work part or full time at a basic job (food industry, insurance, etc) and do other creative pursuits on the side.

Every job is work, ya silly goose. It just depends on whether you actually enjoy it. Much like the age old saying 'Imagine Sisyphus happy' ya dig?

Also I like how you imply that my ideas are bad but don't say anything to add, reflect upon, or constructively critique and instead decide to be immature. Stay gold, ponyboy

I'm very good at what I'm doing, which is the problem. I get bored at my job. You, on the other hand, must find basic things challenging, so you're constantly engaged. It's called work, "ya silly goose", most times you're not going to enjoy it. I do work on the side, but it sucks when my regular job takes up so much time.

There is nothing to add to your stupid idea because it's an oft-repeated unoriginal cliche of "follow your dreams" bullshit that morons eat up while running on their hamster wheel of futility, continuing to "have faith" in this idiotic bullshit. Hey, whatever keeps them from realizing how pointless the rat race is, gotta keep that productivity up for their corporate masters.

I started a music studio and yeah it's tough work because you have to deal with ppl who don't into arrangement but it's good money and fun. IDK maybe youre just interested in boring things or are ok with stagnation so you don't try. Maybe read a self help book, bro.

What I'm working on now is advertising and eventually turning into a full fledged record label. Not even that expensive since I have mastering equipment for CDs (20 at a time) and cassettes (10 at a time)

It's hard if you try but worth it. Keep at it I believe in you even if you don't believe in yourself
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