Current Events > Would you vote for this guy in 2020?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz3L79mBKD0" data-time="

He makes a lot of sense.

He has 3 major propositions:
1. Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult
2. Medicare for all
3. Value-added tax for large corporations

Thoughts?
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Sounds good but he would have a hard time getting any of that through Congress.
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lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.
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If Bernie can't get elected, not sure how this guy can.
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lincoln002 posted...

1. Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol whats the point of this?
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Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart
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Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

I mean if we replaced the overly complicated wel fare system with a simple $1000 for example, then that would be fair.

As it stands now wel fare is some elaborate complex mess that encourages in many cases bad behavior.

@EndOfDiscOne posted...

lincoln002 posted...

1. Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol whats the point of this?

He's addressing the problem of mass automation before it becomes a problem, driverless cars and trucks for example will put a lot of people out of work, e-commerce is killing retail like that in malls and leaving people out of work. I would suggest you watch some futurist talks about how technology is going to disrupt major areas of our lives and we'll need to make some really tough decisions in the future.
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lincoln002 posted...

He's addressing the problem of mass automation before it becomes a problem, driverless cars and trucks for example will put a lot of people out of work, e-commerce is killing retail like that in malls and leaving people out of work.

$1,000 is not going to address that problem!
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If I was registered to vote Id vote for him.

kayoticdreamz posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

I mean if we replaced the overly complicated wel fare system with a simple $1000 for example, then that would be fair.

As it stands now wel fare is some elaborate complex mess that encourages in many cases bad behavior.

If you watch more lengthy videos by the guy he goes into better detail about how that's basically what he wants to do. That is, replace welfare with a $1000 allowance, if you do the math it's not much different than how much we already spend on government subsidies.
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This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?
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@REMercsChamp posted...

This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?

12,000 a year
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lincoln002 posted...

@REMercsChamp posted...

This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?

12,000 a year

Alright. If he throws in some sort of free video game and netflix subscription package he's got my vote.
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REMercsChamp posted...

lincoln002 posted...

@REMercsChamp posted...

This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?

12,000 a year

Alright. If he throws in some sort of free video game and netflix subscription package he's got my vote.

Don't forget the anime.
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lincoln002 posted...

@REMercsChamp posted...

This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?

12,000 a year

Oh, the $1,000 is monthly. That's a vital detail. And also that would be good in addition to the rest of the safety net(which needs shoring up, in any case).

lincoln002 posted...

@REMercsChamp posted...

This is a one time $1000 allowance or some sort of bi-weekly payment?

12,000 a year

Oh I thought it was $1k a year
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lincoln002 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

I mean if we replaced the overly complicated wel fare system with a simple $1000 for example, then that would be fair.

As it stands now wel fare is some elaborate complex mess that encourages in many cases bad behavior.

If you watch more lengthy videos by the guy he goes into better detail about how that's basically what he wants to do. That is, replace welfare with a $1000 allowance, if you do the math it's not much different than how much we already spend on government subsidies.

This would make more sense if we are going to have wel fare. But we'd have to have an agreement with ourselves and society that for example, if you have someone who is living off of wel fare, that if they blow all their wel fare money on beer and as such cannot afford food or housing, then they get to go and be homeless. They don't get to cry even more for more money. This is one of the reasons wel fare is broken up into things like EBT so people don't blow it all on nonsense and then cry for more money for food only to blow it on more nonsense again.

It's why some states allow cash back from EBT and others don't. Heck it's why we switched from literal food stamps to EBT cards as people used to trade food stamps for all kinds of non food stuff.

Lol, nanny state policies
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Seriously, what is with liberals and their daddy issues. Get on a stripper pole like all those other ladies that didn't have one in their life and earn it. First, they kick dad out of the home, then they push the government to be their daddy, and now they want daddy to give them an allowance.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo
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lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

So

$12,000 * 325,000,000 people = $3,900,000,000,000 a year

Where does the money come from?
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lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

It's more than SSI in Michigan. I live off 850$. And that's counting the food assistance. It's not that hard if you don't have bad spending habits or are supporting addictions. I think most people just stretched the meaning of essentials when it comes to what you need or have. Not saying I couldn't use more money >_> but Im thankful something is in place to keep me from being a drain on my family or dying in the street
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REMercsChamp posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

So

$12,000 * 325,000,000 people = $3,900,000,000,000 a year

Where does the money come from?

Go watch more videos by him. Our welfare program already takes care of most of it, plus you're including a lot of people who wouldn't qualify like illegals and underage/overage people. It's more like 2 trillion to be honest, and he's proposing a value added tax on large corporations much like Bernie wanted to tax Wallstreet.
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lincoln002 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

So

$12,000 * 325,000,000 people = $3,900,000,000,000 a year

Where does the money come from?

Go watch more videos by him. Our welfare program already takes care of most of it, plus you're including a lot of people who wouldn't qualify like illegals and underage/overage people. It's more like 2 trillion to be honest, and he's proposing a value added tax on large corporations much like Bernie wanted to tax Wallstreet.

So more taxing productive people to enable people like this guy

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

It's more than SSI in Michigan. I live off 850$. And that's counting the food assistance. It's not that hard if you don't have bad spending habits or are supporting addictions. I think most people just stretched the meaning of essentials when it comes to what you need or have. Not saying I couldn't use more money >_> but Im thankful something is in place to keep me from being a drain on my family or dying in the street

I live in IL, unless you're in a studio apartment $1000 will have you barely scape by. However, this allowance would encourage people to move as well to less densely populated cities and states.
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REMercsChamp posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

So

$12,000 * 325,000,000 people = $3,900,000,000,000 a year

Where does the money come from?

Not every citizen is an adult
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No. Im voting for Trump.
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did he account for inflation
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lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

It's more than SSI in Michigan. I live off 850$. And that's counting the food assistance. It's not that hard if you don't have bad spending habits or are supporting addictions. I think most people just stretched the meaning of essentials when it comes to what you need or have. Not saying I couldn't use more money >_> but Im thankful something is in place to keep me from being a drain on my family or dying in the street

I live in IL, unless you're in a studio apartment $1000 will have you barely scape by. However, this allowance would encourage people to move as well to less densely populated cities and states.

Yeah. I don't really know much avout economics. I just know people spend stupid money on non necessities and then bitch that they don't have enough money to pay for actual necessities. It's normalized tho so I don't really blame people for being people
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GregShmedley posted...

Id be curious as to how a basic allowance would positively impact our mental health issues. Im sure a lot would just blow it on whatever but a grand a month would provide release to so many people. I like to imagine drug abuse, alcoholism, and poor diets going down as depression, anxiety, and stress levels go down. Itd be like trickle up economics.

Im not arguing for or against the idea. Just a thought that came across my mind.

It would do wonders for people's mental health just think about how much of our problems are directly linked to money and scarcity. Here in the states we live in a world of over abundance. We need to set good examples, I mean I just saw a robot doing acrobatics, how long til that robot can perform simple manual labor? Are we honestly going to choose a fuedal system 2.0 this century where people are born with literally no opportunity to improve or contribute? Cmon where's the ethics.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Kolibri X posted...

lincoln002 posted...

Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult

Lol nope.

Does that mean you get paid even if you don't work? That doesn't sound smart

12,000 a year is not enough to live on, sure some can make it work but that income is pretty much a housing voucher that distributes power to the lower class which make up the majority of the people in this country. You'd have to be a sadist to oppose it imo

It's more than SSI in Michigan. I live off 850$. And that's counting the food assistance. It's not that hard if you don't have bad spending habits or are supporting addictions. I think most people just stretched the meaning of essentials when it comes to what you need or have. Not saying I couldn't use more money >_> but Im thankful something is in place to keep me from being a drain on my family or dying in the street

I live in IL, unless you're in a studio apartment $1000 will have you barely scape by. However, this allowance would encourage people to move as well to less densely populated cities and states.

Yeah. I don't really know much avout economics. I just know people spend stupid money on non necessities and then bitch that they don't have enough money to pay for actual necessities. It's normalized tho so I don't really blame people for being people

You're right about that, people do spend money in stupid ways if they don't have a budget and almost everyone suffers from anxiety so there's that too.
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Ive been paying attention to this guy. He addresses the elephant in the room (automation). Hes definitely the futurist candidate for sure.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Ive been paying attention to this guy. He addresses the elephant in the room (automation). Hes definitely the futurist candidate for sure.

which means he has no chance
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Ive been wondering why hes never brought up in topics about Dem 2020 candidates.

President Donald J. Trump already won 2020. Some people simply do not accept the future facts.
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Basically Bernie again. After he loses he will also probably be like I don't know how any of this shit works anyways.
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lincoln002 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz3L79mBKD0" data-time="

He makes a lot of sense.

He has 3 major propositions:
1. Universal basic income of 1,000 per adult
2. Medicare for all
3. Value-added tax for large corporations

Thoughts?

No.
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"A value added tax at half the European level (on tech giants) would pay for universal basic income"

Proof?
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But I don't wanna grow up mommy! Mommy I don't wanna work a job and pay my own bills mommy! I don't want to! Pay my bills and give me free money now mommy!

M_Live posted...

I'm not necessarily for or against a universal income because I don't fully understand how it works. It'd come out of taxes, correct? And it's $1000 per month? Where is all this extra tax revenue going to be made up? That's a lot of money.

Gutting the current welfare system and using that money does most of it. Increased taxes on corporations does the rest.
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Bananana posted...

M_Live posted...

I'm not necessarily for or against a universal income because I don't fully understand how it works. It'd come out of taxes, correct? And it's $1000 per month? Where is all this extra tax revenue going to be made up? That's a lot of money.

Gutting the current welfare system and using that money does most of it. Increased taxes on corporations does the rest.

I wouldn't be against this, but a lot of people would because as someone mentioned in this topic some people are going to spend their $1000 on cigarettes and lottery tickets then ask for more when they can't afford rent.

That being said, where are the actual numbers to support removing the current welfare system and taxing businesses would pay for this?
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The point I'm trying to make with this thread is that we can't continue to live with a scarcity mentality and continue to rip each other off to survive, we need a new model that doesn't inherently transfer wealth from the lower class to a select few. We need to focus on ethics and social contribution. It's the 21st century man, we need to set an example, it baffles me how we can have so much abundance yet so much suffering. Things are changing at a rapid pace, we need more realistic solutions.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

where are the actual numbers to support removing the current welfare system and taxing businesses would pay for this?

Imagination land
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I am voting for Adam Kokesh. His policy is to abolish the entire federal government.

https://kokeshforpresident.com/platform/

jumi posted...

Sounds good but he would have a hard time getting any of that through Congress.

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darkstar4221 posted...

I am voting for Adam Kokesh. His policy is to abolish the entire federal government.

https://kokeshforpresident.com/platform/

About Adam:

While in jail in Washington, DC in 2013,
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REMercsChamp posted...

darkstar4221 posted...

I am voting for Adam Kokesh. His policy is to abolish the entire federal government.

https://kokeshforpresident.com/platform/

About Adam:

While in jail in Washington, DC in 2013,

Read his platform he has the best policies, better than your typical republican and democrat.