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12/18/18 12:59:57 AM
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DevsBro posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
I think one thing we can all agree on is that Samus is a shit fighter in Smash Ultimate and Dark Samus is even worse. Maybe one day Samus will ascend to high-tier status. Maybe one day.

Armored space fighter with amplified strength and like 30 kinds of missiles

Has been the worst character in every single Smash Bros game


Calling Samus the worst character is a stretch
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PhazonReborn
12/18/18 1:00:22 AM
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
lol @ people saying Fusion is better than Super. That's what a wrong opinion looks like.

Garioshi has shit tier opinions
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tiornys
12/18/18 1:02:01 AM
#53:


I never really played Fusion due to minimal access, so I have a question. How much sequence breaking is possible in Fusion?
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Banjo2553
12/18/18 1:02:48 AM
#54:


Godnorgosh posted...
I think one thing we can all agree on is that Samus is a shit fighter in Smash Ultimate and Dark Samus is even worse.

How is Dark Samus worse when there's literally nothing changed from Samus's moveset?

tiornys posted...
I never really played Fusion due to minimal access, so I have a question. How much sequence breaking is possible in Fusion?

Not much at all, if any. There's one point I remember in the game where you can sequence break, but the developers thought of that and threw in a little secret for those who can manage it. But then you're forced to get the item you'd normally skip anyway.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
12/18/18 6:55:14 AM
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Veggeta X posted...

1. SM was not as good as you remembered
2. You think it is too great which is why you wont allow yourself to enjoy Fusion

Trust me, if Fusion solved world hunger you'd still think its bad because you blindly love SM too much.


I just played Super Metroid a month ago, it's as good as I remember.

You have no idea what a good Metroid is, which is why you think linear ass Fusion is great.

If Fusion ended world hunger, it'd be a great thing that ends world hunger. But because that has absolutely fuck all to do with being a good Metroid, it would still be a sub par Metroid.

*PSA: Being a sub par Metroid doesn't mean it's a bad game.
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12/18/18 8:08:01 AM
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QueenCarly posted...
Return of Samus leading into SM did, but okay.

Please, there was barely any plot.

QueenCarly posted...
The series always had one. Isolation on an alien world.

Uhh.. what people loved about SM was the sense of being lost. What you're saying isn't a direction.

QueenCarly posted...
It did a poor job of this. The manga that came out the same year as Fusion did a substantially better job of this.

OMG now you just hating.

The Catgirl Fondler posted...
I prefer Samus being a stoic, if one-dimensional, badass to the ovary-less little bitch they tried to turn her into, and a deep over-arching plotline wasn't a huge selling point to me (not even with Prime's attempts).

That's because SM ruined you.
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t_paynes_ghost
12/18/18 8:22:47 AM
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Okay, so I played Super Metroid as a kid growing up. I loved the game as a kid, it was just such a unique, fun, expansive game, I've never seen or played anything like it before.

I played through it again about a year ago with the wife watching me. The nostalgia was strong with me but my wife had no prior thoughts or bias towards it. We both came to the same conclusion regardless. That conclusion is this.

Super Metroid is a pinnacle of gaming. Not at all because of the glitches/skips/whatever hardcore gamer stuff is going on in that game because I don't know about that and I didn't do any of that.

What really captivated us was two things
1) The atmosphere
It's well known this game borrows heavily off of Alien, and honestly it really shows, while also making itself unique to it. All the different environments, they all feel so unique, and so different, but also believably all part of the same planet. They all invoke a sense of "where the FUCK am I now?", a little light on tension, but heavy on the excitement to explore and see more. The planet is quaint and beautiful, as well as scary and dangerous at the same time. Games rarely illicit emotion out of me more than "this is fun" but this game captivated us in a way that few can, I felt like I was there, with Samus... no, I felt like I WAS Samus, alone and lost, but pressing forward to save the galaxy, because what else can you really do? The music adds so much to these environments, as do the creatures of the planet... just everything about the visual and audible presentation is top notch, and the game is a classic just for this aspect alone. No other metroid has come close to offering a map nearly as interesting as Super Metroid.

2) I don't even remember my second point anymore, I can't stop thinking about all the locales I got to visit. I really enjoy speed running games and being super action super fast run guy through most games, but Super Metroid I was happy to soak in the atmosphere and take my time to fully enjoy this game.

Really, I love the controls, the map is beautifully designed, the gameplay is excellent. It's at least a 9/10 in every category you could make up. But the atmosphere and presentation of Zebes is just completely mindblowing even 20+ years later.
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DevsBro
12/18/18 8:30:08 AM
#58:


D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
You have no idea what a good Metroid is, which is why you think linear ass Fusion is great.

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
*PSA: Being a sub par Metroid doesn't mean it's a bad game.

This is exactly the mindset that I don't understand about most Metroid fans. I say "most" because I count myself as one too. Having variety is a good thing. Super Metroid was awesome. Metroid Fusion was awesome. They had different design philosophies, and that's perfectly fine. Fusion isn't a "bad Meteoid game" because it had a different design choice from Super.

If I were to try to think this same way about some other series I like, Rising is a terrible Metal Gear game. The stealth is awful, and shuffled out of the way in favor of beatemup combat. The tone is way off. You don't even have any guns at all. And yet, it's one of the best games in the series. Plus, it actually still has a lot about it that is 100% Metal Gear despite not even being the same genre. Like the cutscenes, the story-heavy feel, multiple weapons you unlock as you progress through the story, the scifi feel stacked on top of real world political and social issues, the copious lore provided via codec, etc.

Likewise, despite shooting for a more story-driven feel than an exploration-driven one, it's a great game with a lot of what makes Metroid great. It's got the cool Ridley Scott feel, hidden upgrades, intense bosses, the sense of isolation, a single connected world that loops back around on itself, freaking terrible controls (like it or not this is a series staple), hidden areas, etc.
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CyricZ
12/18/18 8:33:34 AM
#59:


t_paynes_ghost posted...

That was beautiful man.
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neverwin
12/18/18 8:35:15 AM
#60:


Supers wall jumping controls pissed me off too much to enjoy the second half of the game.

I enjoyed Fusion, though my favorite is Prime 2 Echoes.
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 8:37:45 AM
#61:


Thus proving SM to be one of the most overrated games of all times.
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:38:21 AM
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I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages
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t_paynes_ghost
12/18/18 8:40:09 AM
#63:


catboy0_0 posted...
I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages


I just love talking about Super Metroid :P
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 8:40:12 AM
#64:


catboy0_0 posted...
I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages

SM is a very overrated game. People love it to death blindly and will defend its honor blindly regardless of anything.
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:40:56 AM
#65:


t_paynes_ghost posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages


I just love talking about Super Metroid :P

yeah I just realized not all of the posts are people trying to prove TC wrong but I had already posted
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t_paynes_ghost
12/18/18 8:43:57 AM
#66:


Veggeta X posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages

SM is a very overrated game. People love it to death blindly and will defend its honor blindly regardless of anything.


Who Sepuku?
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:45:27 AM
#67:


It's definitely overrated, but it's also a very great game in a lot of ways anyway. I agree with Devsbro's sentiment that Fusion isn't bad just because it's linear and different than Super.
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 8:46:31 AM
#68:


catboy0_0 posted...
Fusion isn't bad just because it's linear and different than Super.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 8:47:27 AM
#69:


t_paynes_ghost posted...
Who Sepuku?

Read the 1st page. Plenty of people are saying Fusion is bad because it's not SM. That's probably one of the most fanboyish shit to say in this world.
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:48:08 AM
#70:


Veggeta X posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Fusion isn't bad just because it's linear and different than Super.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.

but the way you come across in OP doesn't reflect that
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 8:48:57 AM
#71:


I literally said SM is one of the most overrated game of all time and it's because people love it so much that they can't find themselves enjoying Fusion, because Fusion was too different.
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:51:07 AM
#72:


to me it sounded like you were just trying too hard to bait people into arguing
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 8:53:36 AM
#73:


if it were me, I would have just said "Fusion isn't a bad game just because it's not the same style of game as Super" or something like that
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t_paynes_ghost
12/18/18 8:54:20 AM
#74:


Veggeta X posted...
t_paynes_ghost posted...
Who Sepuku?

Read the 1st page. Plenty of people are saying Fusion is bad because it's not SM. That's probably one of the most fanboyish shit to say in this world.


Yeah that doesn't make sense, I didn't really enjoy Fusion, but that has nothing to do with a comparison to SM or any other game.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/18/18 8:55:36 AM
#75:


D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
*PSA: Being a sub par Metroid doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Yeah, no. Metroid fans don't get to say that anymore. I remember when people used to say it about Hunter and Prime 3. There have been too many "bad metroid games" to make this kind of argument. According to you people.

"Good Metroid Games, Good Games"
Return of Samus
Super
Prime
Zero Mission

"Good Games, Bad Metroid Games"
Fusion
Prime 2
Hunters
Prime 3
Samus Returns

"Good Metroid Games, Bad Games"
Metroid

"Bad Metroid Games, Bad Games"
Other M
Federation Force

When two thirds of the series are "bad metroid games," it's time you rethink what standard of the series is.
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Musourenka
12/18/18 8:56:44 AM
#76:


Super Metroid is up there with Rocket Knight Adventures and Chrono Trigger as one of Capcom's best games of all time.
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ZeldaMutant
12/18/18 9:01:10 AM
#77:


The sluggish-feeling movement and the zoomed-in view make Super a bit of a pain to play.

However, the world design is simply revolutionary and essentially spawned a new genre.
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t_paynes_ghost
12/18/18 9:06:08 AM
#78:


CyricZ posted...
t_paynes_ghost posted...

That was beautiful man.


Thank you sir!
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Alpha218
12/18/18 9:12:24 AM
#79:


Veggeta Xs next topic: Sonic 06 is one of the most underrated games of all time.
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 9:13:05 AM
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I don't make underrated video game topics. Only overrated game topics.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/18/18 9:14:24 AM
#81:


Is Sonic O6 underrated though?
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PG_Era
12/18/18 9:16:44 AM
#82:


Alpha218 posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Why Super Metroid is overrated as fuck in a nutshell. Thanks for proving me right, guys.


Fusion being a piss poor Metroid doesn't make Super Metroid overrated.

Sorry you were born after 1990 and didn't get to experience greatness.

Veggeta is in like, his 30s


Nah, more like 40s. At this point he's going through his mid life crisis with his shitposting.
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12/18/18 9:20:42 AM
#83:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
Is Sonic O6 underrated though?

If anything, it's overrated.
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MangaFan462
12/18/18 9:21:20 AM
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Ive played it so many times that I dont want to again, but overrated? Nah

Metroid Fusion is vastly underrated though
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Completion
12/18/18 9:21:59 AM
#85:


I never did finish Super Metroid on the Wii U though. Guess I'll fix that when the SNES Classic gets here
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Veggeta X
12/18/18 9:22:20 AM
#86:


Damn, I should have made a topic saying Fusion is one of the most underrated game of all times instead of this one.
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voldothegr8
12/18/18 9:23:47 AM
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How can perfection be overrated?
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catboy0_0
12/18/18 9:24:14 AM
#88:


Veggeta X posted...
Damn, I should have made a topic saying Fusion is one of the most underrated game of all times instead of this one.

maybe
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matty_s
12/18/18 9:35:25 AM
#89:


@fix_omega

What do you make of this?
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12/18/18 9:38:03 AM
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TrevorBlack79
12/18/18 9:39:59 AM
#91:


No, Fusion isn't a bad game "because it's not Super," Fusion is a bad game because Fusion is a bad game.
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fix_omega
12/18/18 9:43:37 AM
#92:


it's not overrated at all, it absolutely is one of the best games of all time.
however if you're going to compare to fusion, fusion DOES improve on some elements of gameplay itself.
like grabbing ledges, the minimap actually shows if you've collected something or not, etc.
but Fusion is VERY linear, which IMO, makes it lose points.

I also dislike games that hold your hand.
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MangaFan462
12/18/18 9:44:27 AM
#93:


fix_omega posted...
it's not overrated at all, it absolutely is one of the best games of all time.
however if you're going to compare to fusion, fusion DOES improve on some elements of gameplay itself.
like grabbing ledges, the minimap actually shows if you've collected something or not, etc.
but Fusion is VERY linear, which IMO, makes it lose points.

I also dislike games that hold your hand.


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Veggeta X
12/18/18 9:47:07 AM
#94:


fix_omega posted...
I also dislike games that hold your hand.

Funny because everyone loves TLoU and I think the game is super overrated and guess what? The game holds your hand like crazy.
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12/18/18 9:48:38 AM
#95:


fix_omega posted...
I also dislike games that hold your hand.

Ehhhhh

I remember running around in one room for hours looking for the exit in enough terribly directionless 5th and 6th gen games that I'm honestly grateful even to this day every time a game marks objectives on a map.
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12/18/18 9:52:24 AM
#96:


catboy0_0 posted...
I'm impressed people feel for this so hard it got to two pages


I just like arguing with Veggeta really. I do think SMis best but I really like Fusion a lot as well
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12/18/18 9:57:00 AM
#97:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
*PSA: Being a sub par Metroid doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Yeah, no. Metroid fans don't get to say that anymore. I remember when people used to say it about Hunter and Prime 3. There have been too many "bad metroid games" to make this kind of argument. According to you people.

"Good Metroid Games, Good Games"
Return of Samus
Super
Prime
Zero Mission

"Good Games, Bad Metroid Games"
Fusion
Prime 2
Hunters
Prime 3
Samus Returns

"Good Metroid Games, Bad Games"
Metroid

"Bad Metroid Games, Bad Games"
Other M
Federation Force

When two thirds of the series are "bad metroid games," it's time you rethink what standard of the series is.

Yeah no. How is Samus Returns a bad Metroid game while the original is a good one?
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KCJ5062
12/18/18 10:16:24 AM
#98:


The term "overrated" is becoming one of my least favorite words in the English language. Because it's meaningless. "I think people like something more than they actually should" isn't a criticism of the thing you are reviewing. At best it's a critique of the fanbase.
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Alpha218
12/18/18 10:16:31 AM
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People often get the names mixed up because the remake and the original are basically reversed
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12/18/18 10:19:15 AM
#100:


KCJ5062 posted...
The term "overrated" is becoming one of my least favorite words in the English language. Because it's meaningless. "I think people like something more than they actually should" isn't a criticism of the thing you are reviewing. At best it's a critique of the fanbase.

What it means is that it's not as good as everyone thinks. Which is actually pretty useful information for someone who has never experienced it.
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