Current Events > Paul Ryan wants you to know he has identified what's wrong with Republicans

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://apple.news/Are6pekJ0ScmyyxAAnIwBbg
I worry about tribal identity politics becoming the new norm of how politics is waged, Ryan said in October. As conservatives, we always thought this was sort of a left-wing ... thing. Unfortunately, the right practices identity politics now as well
---

Also Paul Ryan: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/speaker-paul-ryan-pushing-through-thousands-of-irish-visas-before-leaving-office_us_5c154703e4b009b8aea7c0fa
---

Antifar posted...

Also Paul Ryan: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/speaker-paul-ryan-pushing-through-thousands-of-irish-visas-before-leaving-office_us_5c154703e4b009b8aea7c0fa

Is he running in Ireland now? Wtf
---

spudger posted...

Is he running in Ireland now? Wtf

Like he said, the right practices identity politics now too
---

Now lmao

Antifar posted...

Also Paul Ryan: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/speaker-paul-ryan-pushing-through-thousands-of-irish-visas-before-leaving-office_us_5c154703e4b009b8aea7c0fa

Immigrants are ok as long as theyre white, it seems
---

Evol posted...

Now lmao

---

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

At least hes admitting it. Not quite the equivalent of someone like Obama calling out his party for their bs, but Ryan is respected among certain conservative circles
---

EnragedSlith posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

At least hes admitting it. Not quite the equivalent of someone like Obama calling out his party for their bs, but Ryan is respected among certain conservative circles

Weird how these Republican calls for civility always come on the heels of their term in office.
---

Antifar posted...

spudger posted...

Is he running in Ireland now? Wtf

Like he said, the right practices identity politics now too

Now? They always did it.
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

At least hes admitting it. Not quite the equivalent of someone like Obama calling out his party for their bs, but Ryan is respected among certain conservative circles

Weird how these Republican calls for civility always come on the heels of their term in office.

It would be political suicide in their party. Do you tell the guy in charge of your employment all the ways hes full of shit?
---

EnragedSlith posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

At least hes admitting it. Not quite the equivalent of someone like Obama calling out his party for their bs, but Ryan is respected among certain conservative circles

Probably not for long.
---

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

?Now? lmao

---

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

?Now? lmao

---

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

?Now? lmao

He is at least aware it's a problem, which can't exactly be said for plenty of politicians.
---

Evol posted...

Now lmao

---

just virtue signaling now that the party has been made aware that the orange man will fry
---

Good, now we need idiots to listen and we need the left to start admitting it as well

And maybe we can stop this dumbass racist ideology

Haha yeah right

Wow some introspection
---

Hopefully Paul Ryan becomes irrelevant forever after leaving office.
---

Phantom_Nook posted...

Hopefully Paul Ryan becomes irrelevant forever after leaving office.

Amen
---

i mean, he's not wrong about the spread of identity politics

but he's a neocon and needs to go
---

Paul Ryan is literally jumping off a sinking ship. He announced retirement long time before the Republicans got crushed out of the House because he knew it was coming. I expect we'll see him attempt to become one of those "Enlightened Centritsts"
---

Tyranthraxus posted...

Paul Ryan is literally jumping off a sinking ship. He announced retirement long time before the Republicans got crushed out of the House because he knew it was coming. I expect we'll see him attempt to become one of those "Enlightened Centritsts"

It seems this neocon infiltration of the "enlightened centrists" camp has become a trend since they lost all credibility in the 2000s. I'd like to believe people will see through this rebranding and know better than to believe a word they say or trust their intentions, but knowing the short memory people have, that probably won't be the case.
---

TheMikh posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Paul Ryan is literally jumping off a sinking ship. He announced retirement long time before the Republicans got crushed out of the House because he knew it was coming. I expect we'll see him attempt to become one of those "Enlightened Centritsts"

It seems this neocon infiltration of the "enlightened centrists" camp has become a trend since they lost all credibility in the 2000s. I'd like to believe people will see through this rebranding and know better than to believe a word they say or trust their intentions, but knowing the short memory people have, that probably won't be the case.

it's all part of a broader effort to shift the overton window to the right

when mainline republican means fascist and 'rational centrist' means 'republican from 1992'

dems can benefit from this if enough ballot initiatives rip the power to draw districts from GOP state legislatures though
---

Kombucha posted...

He is at least aware it's a problem, which can't exactly be said for plenty of politicians.

Who isn't aware of the "problem"?
---

Anteaterking posted...

Kombucha posted...

He is at least aware it's a problem, which can't exactly be said for plenty of politicians.

Who isn't aware of the "problem"?

Republicans in office. They get real woke when their tenure is over though.
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

Republicans in office. They get real woke when their tenure is over though.

But I think that's more them refusing to deal with the problem rather than them truly being unaware of it.

It also doesn't help that a lot of congresspeople are personally helped by identity politics, even when it hurts people outside of their district.
---

I cant wait until that punk is gone. He doesnt represent his constituents.
---

Anteaterking posted...

Kombucha posted...

He is at least aware it's a problem, which can't exactly be said for plenty of politicians.

Who isn't aware of the "problem"?

You greatly overestimate the intelligence of your average politician.
---

Kombucha posted...

You greatly overestimate the intelligence of your average politician.

I don't really think it's an intelligence thing at all.

Paul Ryan didn't do an analysis or anything to reach this conclusion.
---

People so dumb that they don't realize true equality stems from individual responsibility and freedom that does not harm, infringe, or impede upon the liberties of others.

Like ffs Buddha taught us all we need to know. Listen to your higher self not idiot politicians.
---

Antifar posted...

Also Paul Ryan: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/speaker-paul-ryan-pushing-through-thousands-of-irish-visas-before-leaving-office_us_5c154703e4b009b8aea7c0fa

You know whats funny?

They asked this piece of shit what were the things he regrets not getting done in his term and he basically said that closing immigration was the biggest one (obviously he means from brown people).

I guess immigration is ok if youre Irish like he thinks he is.

See folks, pieces of shit like Ryan pretend they are not as racist as 45 but theyre all the same

Darkman124 posted...

TheMikh posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Paul Ryan is literally jumping off a sinking ship. He announced retirement long time before the Republicans got crushed out of the House because he knew it was coming. I expect we'll see him attempt to become one of those "Enlightened Centritsts"

It seems this neocon infiltration of the "enlightened centrists" camp has become a trend since they lost all credibility in the 2000s. I'd like to believe people will see through this rebranding and know better than to believe a word they say or trust their intentions, but knowing the short memory people have, that probably won't be the case.

it's all part of a broader effort to shift the overton window to the right

when mainline republican means fascist and 'rational centrist' means 'republican from 1992'

dems can benefit from this if enough ballot initiatives rip the power to draw districts from GOP state legislatures though

It's far more nuanced than "they're plotting to make America more conservative." The overton window has seen significant expansion to the left since 2004, and in the social realm the right has slowly followed suit, albeit with some skepticism here or there.

There has been a multifaceted civil war in the American right since the 1990s. Currently, the most visible conflict is between the Paleocons and the Neocons. The former: isolationist, protectionist, bottom-up/localist in political matters. The latter: interventionists/warhawks, globalist, top-down in political matters.

When the neocons lost credibility due to getting America stuck in expensive and pointless foreign conflicts, they began to posture themselves as libertarian due to their advocacy of free trade, their opposition to protectionism/localism allowing them to posture themselves as more cosmopolitan than Paleocons. With this framing, they could masquerade as moderates, and as insurgents against Trump, whose rise to power was fueled by Paleocons.

Neocons are little different from establishment Democrats - they just prefer freer markets, less taxes, and they formally declared their pointless wars rather than conducting operations without congressional authorization, as Obama did (particularly in Libya, Syria, and Pakistan).

Fact of the matter is, both parties have had fascist tendencies for decades. The doctrine of Fascist Corporatism is the de facto doctrine of American politics as it relates to economic intervention; the parties just favor different industries.

The popular reaction to this zeitgeist has most notably occurred in the form of the anarchistic Occupy movement on the left, and more recently the Paleocon revolt on the right. I'd argue the Tea Party was also a reaction to this, but being dominated by self-interested boomers, its heart wasn't in the right place and it was doomed to fail.

The Paleocon revolt was most visible in their rallying behind Trump, but since Bannon's departure from the administration, its political manifestation has slowly crumbled as Trump - due to sheer political incompetence or otherwise - has shifted to a more "establishment" mode of operation, inviting Neocons into his cabinet and making certain geopolitical moves that reflect that camp's standard operating procedure - most notably maintaining a cozy relationship with the KSA.

All the Democrats really need to do to win is to let Trump continue to alienate his base, and run a candidate that isn't a Marxist, refuses to suck up to Saudi Arabia or support its cold war against Shias, gives lip service to putting power back in the hands of local communities, and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.
---

Space_Man posted...

People so dumb that they don't realize true equality stems from individual responsibility and freedom that does not harm, infringe, or impede upon the liberties of others.

Like ffs Buddha taught us all we need to know. Listen to your higher self not idiot politicians.

There are people in this country that unironically believe that accountability is oppression and successful people always rob others of opportunity.
---

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Spam_n_eggs posted...

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Let the people govern themselves. Targeting the industries in their regions, redistributing their money to other regions, and funneling drugs into their communities so they kill themselves is a great way to radicalize them.

And stop listening to MSNBC soundbytes ffs.
---

TheMikh posted...

Spam_n_eggs posted...

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Let the people govern themselves. Targeting the industries in their regions, redistributing their money to other regions, and funneling drugs into their communities so they kill themselves is a great way to radicalize them.

Sounds like pandering to me.
---

TheMikh posted...

Space_Man posted...

People so dumb that they don't realize true equality stems from individual responsibility and freedom that does not harm, infringe, or impede upon the liberties of others.

Like ffs Buddha taught us all we need to know. Listen to your higher self not idiot politicians.

There are people in this country that unironically believe that accountability is oppression and successful people always rob others of opportunity.

shouldn't it feel better to become successful due to your own merit? Hell, every underdog story of defeating the odds stacked against them are way more inspirational than just "ok, here's your success. thanks"

:(
---

TheMikh posted...

Spam_n_eggs posted...

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Let the people govern themselves. Targeting the industries in their regions, redistributing their money to other regions, and funneling drugs into their communities so they kill themselves is a great way to radicalize them.

And stop listening to MSNBC soundbytes ffs.

What does this have to do with my point?

TheMikh posted...

Darkman124 posted...

TheMikh posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Paul Ryan is literally jumping off a sinking ship. He announced retirement long time before the Republicans got crushed out of the House because he knew it was coming. I expect we'll see him attempt to become one of those "Enlightened Centritsts"

It seems this neocon infiltration of the "enlightened centrists" camp has become a trend since they lost all credibility in the 2000s. I'd like to believe people will see through this rebranding and know better than to believe a word they say or trust their intentions, but knowing the short memory people have, that probably won't be the case.

it's all part of a broader effort to shift the overton window to the right

when mainline republican means fascist and 'rational centrist' means 'republican from 1992'

dems can benefit from this if enough ballot initiatives rip the power to draw districts from GOP state legislatures though

It's far more nuanced than "they're plotting to make America more conservative." The overton window has seen significant expansion to the left since 2004, and in the social realm the right has slowly followed suit, albeit with some skepticism here or there.

There has been a multifaceted civil war in the American right since the 1990s. Currently, the most visible conflict is between the Paleocons and the Neocons. The former: isolationist, protectionist, bottom-up/localist in political matters. The latter: interventionists/warhawks, globalist, top-down in political matters.

When the neocons lost credibility due to getting America stuck in expensive and pointless foreign conflicts, they began to posture themselves as libertarian due to their advocacy of free trade, their opposition to protectionism/localism allowing them to posture themselves as more cosmopolitan than Paleocons. With this framing, they could masquerade as moderates, and as insurgents against Trump, whose rise to power was fueled by Paleocons.

Neocons are little different from establishment Democrats - they just prefer freer markets, less taxes, and they formally declared their pointless wars rather than conducting operations without congressional authorization, as Obama did (particularly in Libya, Syria, and Pakistan).

Fact of the matter is, both parties have had fascist tendencies for decades. The doctrine of Fascist Corporatism is the de facto doctrine of American politics as it relates to economic intervention; the parties just favor different industries.

The popular reaction to this zeitgeist has most notably occurred in the form of the anarchistic Occupy movement on the left, and more recently the Paleocon revolt on the right. I'd argue the Tea Party was also a reaction to this, but being dominated by self-interested boomers, its heart wasn't in the right place and it was doomed to fail.

The Paleocon revolt was most visible in their rallying behind Trump, but since Bannon's departure from the administration, its political manifestation has slowly crumbled as Trump - due to sheer political incompetence or otherwise - has shifted to a more "establishment" mode of operation, inviting Neocons into his cabinet and making certain geopolitical moves that reflect that camp's standard operating procedure - most notably maintaining a cozy relationship with the KSA.

All the Democrats really need to do to win is to let Trump continue to alienate his base, and run a candidate that isn't a Marxist, refuses to suck up to Saudi Arabia or support its cold war against Shias, gives lip service to putting power back in the hands of local communities, and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

interesting insight. thanks
---

Phantom_Nook posted...

Hopefully Paul Ryan becomes irrelevant forever after leaving office.

He has a bright career of taking awkward weightlifting pics ahead of him
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

TheMikh posted...

Spam_n_eggs posted...

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Let the people govern themselves. Targeting the industries in their regions, redistributing their money to other regions, and funneling drugs into their communities so they kill themselves is a great way to radicalize them.

Sounds like pandering to me.

It cracks me up he is so paternalistic towards these non coastal elites, as if they were dumb children.

I mean if theyre overdosing on crack its not their fault! Its also not the fault of the good old boy who sold them drugs, its the fault of the scary minority that got the drugs to the dealer!

If they are dumb enough to think that they can make a living out of coal mining in this day and age, which is like thinking you can make s living repairing windows 3.1 machines and 56k modems, its YOUR fault for targetting their industries.

Some party of personal accountability haha

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Hopefully Paul Ryan becomes irrelevant forever after leaving office.

He has a bright career of taking awkward weightlifting pics ahead of him

Thick, solid, tight.

"Thanks I've been working hard with these weights"

No I meant your skull.
---

Spam_n_eggs posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

TheMikh posted...

Spam_n_eggs posted...

TheMikh posted...

and doesn't pander solely to urban coastal interests.

That is a tricky one.

How do you pander to a state that Almost Voted a pedopile into congress? (Roy Moore) he even said that the best time in America was slavery and he was still on course to win at that time.

How do you pander to a state that just elected a governor that taks about monkeying this up by voting for a black man and who ran racist Facebook groups? (Desantis)

How do you pander to a state where a woman said shed gladly go to a public hanging, who takes pics with confederate clothes and who would switch to segregated schools?

You cant be a mainstream politician and pander to those people, they are too far out there.

Let the people govern themselves. Targeting the industries in their regions, redistributing their money to other regions, and funneling drugs into their communities so they kill themselves is a great way to radicalize them.

Sounds like pandering to me.

It cracks me up he is so paternalistic towards these non coastal elites, as if they were dumb children.

I mean if theyre overdosing on crack its not their fault! Its also not the fault of the good old boy who sold them drugs, its the fault of the scary minority that got the drugs to the dealer!

If they are dumb enough to think that they can make a living out of coal mining in this day and age, which is like thinking you can make s living repairing windows 3.1 machines and 56k modems, its YOUR fault for targetting their industries.

Some party of personal accountability haha

there's nothing paternalistic about the belief that states and indeed communities should be able to govern themselves how they like and bear full responsibility for the consequences

if their industries can manage to stay profitable or they attract investment, good for them

if they destroy their environment through through ecological mismanagement or create a labor shortage by driving people out with poor conditions, they and no one else should own it

if they suffer from one-trick-pony economic activities, it's their job to adapt when things go south - nobody should have to subsidize their malaise, but neither should their revenue be heavily siphoned elsewhere

they shouldn't be told how to operate, but neither should they be bailed out if they fail miserably

as it presently stands though, years of government meddling in economic affairs and cronyism with certain sectors - private and public alike - has made a major mess of things, to the point where you really can't tell up from down in society, so to speak

with that said, your lack of empathy and stereotyping of communities devastated by opiates sounds identical to the rhetoric of racists ridiculing inner cities devastated by unemployment and narcotics in yesteryear
---

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

---

EnragedSlith posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

Evol posted...

Now lmao

At least hes admitting it. Not quite the equivalent of someone like Obama calling out his party for their bs, but Ryan is respected among certain conservative circles

Weird how these Republican calls for civility always come on the heels of their term in office.

It would be political suicide in their party. Do you tell the guy in charge of your employment all the ways hes full of shit?

Yes. All the time.
---