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Manocheese 12/13/18 8:16:18 PM #1:	https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-crisis-families-cannot-afford-proper-funerals CUCUTA, Colombia As the crisis in Venezuela's socialist dictatorship deepens gripped by mass hunger, starvation and a lack of medical supplies - there is no comfort even for the dead. What is happening is medieval. People are renting caskets for a service, but giving them back. The same casket is being used over and over again because people cannot afford to buy one, Venezuelan opposition leader Julio Borges, who has been living in exile in the Colombian capital of Bogota for the past nine months, told Fox News. Borges said the really creepy problem of how to properly bury the dead has become the norm rather than the exception. Other Venezuelans concurred, indicating the use of common graves, along with backyard burials, was becoming standard. One Venezuelan, who asked his name not be published, described the sudden death of his father in the capital Caracas last week, which left the family without a vehicle to take the body to the morgue. It took more than a day for the body to be collected. And even then, the family had to say their goodbyes they had no money for a funeral, or burial praying the body would be disposed of in some kind of mass cremation. Pineda recounted stories of parents who have tried to collect and earn money for the funerals of their own children. But as the economy of the cash-strapped nation continues to deteriorate, all they can afford is the cremation, which costs roughly a third of burial costs. But even the process of cremation has become problematic. Locals described to Fox News the acute lack of natural gas needed to properly incinerate the bodies, despite the fact Venezuela has some of the largest energy reserves in the world. The shortage of hearses is also an issue. There are fewer and fewer of them available, and the acute fuel shortage - wait times at some gas stations can be as long as 24 hours - makes it harder to keep them running. In some extreme cases, impoverished Venezuelans are dragging their dead for days in the sweltering sun to reach the Colombian border, where locals are assisting them with some kind of burial. The lack of medical attention and resources has fueled a spiking death rate in Venezuela. People are dying today from the most common and treatable infections and diseases - like the common flu. Violent crime is also on the rise. Last week, two ex-major league baseball players - free agent Luis Valbuena and former player Jose Castillo - were killed in a crash after their car collided with a rock. People throw rocks in the hope of stopping the car so they can steal it, one Venezuelan humanitarian worker explained. In this case, it ended horribly... Even if these men had survived, there are not adequate means in the hospital to save them. As the country crumbles, so to have the resources to monitor how many have died. One local journalist said a handful of people try to keep tabs. A group of journalists visit the morgues at the end of each week to count the dead, trying to determine how many died from organized crime, and how many perished from other causes, like disease or malnutrition. And that is just in Caracas. For the rest of the country that once had a population of 32 million, its anybodys guess. There's no indication the situation will improve any time soon. Despite once-brimming oil wealth that had Venezuela as the richest country in Latin America, the Nicols Maduro-led government - which has continued the socialist policies of his predecessor, Hugo Chavez - has pushed the nations economy into dire freefall, upended by massive hyperinflation, food and medicine shortages. And people still clamor for socialism in the US. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914082829] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-crisis-families-cannot-afford-proper-funerals <quote>CUCUTA, Colombia As the crisis in Venezuela's socialist dictatorship deepens gripped by mass hunger, starvation and a lack of medical supplies - there is no comfort even for the dead. What is happening is medieval. People are renting caskets for a service, but giving them back. The same casket is being used over and over again because people cannot afford to buy one, Venezuelan opposition leader Julio Borges, who has been living in exile in the Colombian capital of Bogota for the past nine months, told Fox News. Borges said the really creepy problem of how to properly bury the dead has become the norm rather than the exception. Other Venezuelans concurred, indicating the use of common graves, along with backyard burials, was becoming standard. One Venezuelan, who asked his name not be published, described the sudden death of his father in the capital Caracas last week, which left the family without a vehicle to take the body to the morgue. It took more than a day for the body to be collected. And even then, the family had to say their goodbyes they had no money for a funeral, or burial praying the body would be disposed of in some kind of mass cremation. Pineda recounted stories of parents who have tried to collect and earn money for the funerals of their own children. But as the economy of the cash-strapped nation continues to deteriorate, all they can afford is the cremation, which costs roughly a third of burial costs. But even the process of cremation has become problematic. Locals described to Fox News the acute lack of natural gas needed to properly incinerate the bodies, despite the fact Venezuela has some of the largest energy reserves in the world. The shortage of hearses is also an issue. There are fewer and fewer of them available, and the acute fuel shortage - wait times at some gas stations can be as long as 24 hours - makes it harder to keep them running. In some extreme cases, impoverished Venezuelans are dragging their dead for days in the sweltering sun to reach the Colombian border, where locals are assisting them with some kind of burial. The lack of medical attention and resources has fueled a spiking death rate in Venezuela. People are dying today from the most common and treatable infections and diseases - like the common flu. Violent crime is also on the rise. Last week, two ex-major league baseball players - free agent Luis Valbuena and former player Jose Castillo - were killed in a crash after their car collided with a rock. People throw rocks in the hope of stopping the car so they can steal it, one Venezuelan humanitarian worker explained. In this case, it ended horribly... Even if these men had survived, there are not adequate means in the hospital to save them. As the country crumbles, so to have the resources to monitor how many have died. One local journalist said a handful of people try to keep tabs. A group of journalists visit the morgues at the end of each week to count the dead, trying to determine how many died from organized crime, and how many perished from other causes, like disease or malnutrition. And that is just in Caracas. For the rest of the country that once had a population of 32 million, its anybodys guess. There's no indication the situation will improve any time soon. Despite once-brimming oil wealth that had Venezuela as the richest country in Latin America, the Nicols Maduro-led government - which has continued the socialist policies of his predecessor, Hugo Chavez - has pushed the nations economy into dire freefall, upended by massive hyperinflation, food and medicine shortages.</quote> And people still clamor for socialism in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 12/13/18 8:17:26 PM #2:	A "socialist paradise"? --- \|)\|_ \|_\_/\|)\|_\|)\| - RE expert44 \|\\|__ \|__/\\| \|__\|\_\| This is RE expert44 (b^.^b)Have a nice day... <cite>Middle hope posted [p:914082897] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>A "socialist paradise"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 12/13/18 8:18:49 PM #3:	Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachToadDickTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:914082985] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/13/18 8:18:52 PM #4:	Fox News is really pushing for regime change in Venezuela. Still don't understand how they're at the same time advocating for isolationism. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914082989] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Fox News is really pushing for regime change in Venezuela. Still don't understand how they're at the same time advocating for isolationism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 12/13/18 8:20:10 PM #5:	ah how an idea (money) trumps real world realities. money has no value we dont give it. but peoples lives are very real. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:914083062] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>ah how an idea (money) trumps real world realities. money has no value we dont give it. but peoples lives are very real.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/13/18 8:22:14 PM #6:	Why do people post fox news propaganda? --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:914083164] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Why do people post fox news propaganda?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/13/18 8:23:27 PM #7:	CADE FOSTER posted... Why do people post fox news propaganda? ITP: News articles reporting facts are propaganda --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914083246] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people post fox news propaganda?</quote> ITP: News articles reporting facts are propaganda</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/13/18 8:23:39 PM #8:	CADE FOSTER posted... Why do people post fox news propaganda? It's not like the NYT or WP are any better when it comes to foreign policy. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914083256] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people post fox news propaganda?</quote> It's not like the NYT or WP are any better when it comes to foreign policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ray_Dorset 12/13/18 8:23:54 PM #9:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA. --- https://currentevents.ws/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1474-imgtc-development <cite>Ray_Dorset posted [p:914083269] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/13/18 8:25:17 PM #10:	Manocheese posted... CADE FOSTER posted... Why do people post fox news propaganda? ITP: News articles reporting facts are propaganda Foxnews is all propaganda and fake news --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:914083347] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people post fox news propaganda?</quote> ITP: News articles reporting facts are propaganda</quote> Foxnews is all propaganda and fake news</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/13/18 8:25:22 PM #11:	Ray_Dorset posted... Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA. Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid? --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914083350] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA.</quote> Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MARKINGRAM22 12/13/18 8:28:34 PM #12:	Anti-245 posted... Ray_Dorset posted... Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA. Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid? Yes, the military is run by the government. It is also awful compared to civilian health care. <cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted [p:914083526] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA.</quote> Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid?</quote> Yes, the military is run by the government. It is also awful compared to civilian health care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 12/13/18 8:30:37 PM #13:	People being unable to afford burials is evidence of a failed economic system. Anyways https://wgntv.com/2018/05/04/illinois-coroner-to-poor-pay-1000-or-county-keeps-remains/ https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700049951/More-families-unable-to-afford-funerals-burials.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3516334/Cost-funeral-140-year-Families-left-unable-afford-basic-ceremonies-average-price-rises-3-700-MPs-call-watchdog.html --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:914083646] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>People being unable to afford burials is evidence of a failed economic system. Anyways https://wgntv.com/2018/05/04/illinois-coroner-to-poor-pay-1000-or-county-keeps-remains/ https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700049951/More-families-unable-to-afford-funerals-burials.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3516334/Cost-funeral-140-year-Families-left-unable-afford-basic-ceremonies-average-price-rises-3-700-MPs-call-watchdog.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ohnoitschris 12/13/18 8:30:52 PM #14:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? it's never actually worked lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r19CnOZCLis" data-time=" --- Join the Nintendo Fun Club today, Mac! <cite>ohnoitschris posted [p:914083662] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> it's never actually worked lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r19CnOZCLis" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/13/18 8:31:41 PM #15:	MARKINGRAM22 posted... Anti-245 posted... Ray_Dorset posted... Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA. Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid? Yes, the military is run by the government. It is also awful compared to civilian health care. Yeah... https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=4049 --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914083711] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> Because it's what Faux News tells them. I work with a guy who crucifies socialism every chance he gets. In the next breath, he'll praise how little money he spends on healthcare because his is through the VA.</quote> Does he know that va is actually socialized healthcare unlike Medicare or Medicaid?</quote> Yes, the military is run by the government. It is also awful compared to civilian health care.</quote> Yeah... https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=4049</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 12/13/18 8:37:30 PM #16:	Burial is too costly here in the US too. What's news about this? $6000. Burial or cremation. It's not even cheaper to go the cremation route anymore. And for the two I was personally involved in arranging there wasn't even a viewing or prepping the corpse or even the need to embalm them. Pick them up, put one in a box the other got cremated. Put one in a hole and the other just a box that's still sitting in a trunk in my mother's living room. $6000 for each. It's ridiculous. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:914084036] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Burial is too costly here in the US too. What's news about this? $6000. Burial or cremation. It's not even cheaper to go the cremation route anymore. And for the two I was personally involved in arranging there wasn't even a viewing or prepping the corpse or even the need to embalm them. Pick them up, put one in a box the other got cremated. Put one in a hole and the other just a box that's still sitting in a trunk in my mother's living room. $6000 for each. It's ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 12/13/18 8:44:13 PM #17:	This is the US if Bernie won --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:914084390] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>This is the US if Bernie won</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/13/18 11:46:57 PM #18:	Irony posted... This is the US if Bernie won Literally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc" data-time=" --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914093802] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote>This is the US if Bernie won</quote> Literally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/13/18 11:55:57 PM #19:	meanwhile in the US, there are people crowdfunding their medical bills --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914094221] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>meanwhile in the US, there are people crowdfunding their medical bills</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 12/13/18 11:56:53 PM #20:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:914094269] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/14/18 12:20:13 AM #22:	Theyll figure out how to solve the burial problem and the starvation problem at the same time soon enough --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:914095329] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Theyll figure out how to solve the burial problem and the starvation problem at the same time soon enough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 12/14/18 12:23:21 AM #23:	Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:914095448] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 12/14/18 12:34:24 AM #24:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave I want to be stuffed at a taxidermist --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:914095891] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted...</cite> <quote>Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave</quote> I want to be stuffed at a taxidermist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/14/18 12:40:44 AM #25:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? this is how every state socialist regime ends up every counterexample is (a) currently rotting from the inside out, (b) actually involves more voluntary forms of coordination that are more constructive than central planning, or (c) both --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:914096133] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> this is how every state socialist regime ends up every counterexample is (a) currently rotting from the inside out, (b) actually involves more voluntary forms of coordination that are more constructive than central planning, or (c) both</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 12/14/18 12:52:29 AM #26:	Irony posted... Unsugarized_Foo posted... Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave I want to be stuffed at a taxidermist I got a buddy that'll do it real cheap. He just keeps the teeth though --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:914096532] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted...</cite> <quote>Hmmm, I think instead of buying a burial at, I'm gonna get a remote piece of land and tell my family to dump me there. Maybe I could build a cabin on it and enjoy it while I'm alive and give them a vacation spot to pour booze on my cheapo grave</quote> I want to be stuffed at a taxidermist</quote> I got a buddy that'll do it real cheap. He just keeps the teeth though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/14/18 2:07:02 AM #27:	What a weird gimmick TC. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:914098853] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>What a weird gimmick TC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RainblowDash 12/14/18 2:13:22 AM #28:	Holy shit, the amount of users in denial regarding the paradise that is Venezuela thanks to wonderful socialism --- Ryzen 7 1700X - Sapphire RX Vega 64 - ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Samsung 960 EVO 500gb - G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16gb - Silverstone SX700 700W <cite>RainblowDash posted [p:914099032] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit, the amount of users in denial regarding the paradise that is Venezuela thanks to wonderful socialism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NotWhiteNinja 12/14/18 2:21:52 AM #29:	thronedfire2 posted... I would've laughed if it weren't so believable that this might actually happen. --- Nope. I'm totally not the white ninja. You're confusing me with someone else. <cite>NotWhiteNinja posted [p:914099275] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> I would've laughed if it weren't so believable that this might actually happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/14/18 10:50:49 AM #30:	RoadsterUFO posted... Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism. in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914112465] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism.</quote> in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/14/18 10:51:58 AM #31:	Eat dead people. Solve both problems at once --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914112518] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Eat dead people. Solve both problems at once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 12/14/18 10:58:19 AM #33:	God, what do you guys do when someone doesn't make a topic about Venezuela? Wait tensely for the next one so you can get it all out? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:914112820] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>God, what do you guys do when someone doesn't make a topic about Venezuela? Wait tensely for the next one so you can get it all out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/14/18 6:39:51 PM #34:	NotWhiteNinja posted... thronedfire2 posted... I would've laughed if it weren't so believable that this might actually happen. I was only halfway joking --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:914136013] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>NotWhiteNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> I would've laughed if it weren't so believable that this might actually happen.</quote> I was only halfway joking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 12/15/18 7:34:53 AM #36:	RoadsterUFO posted... averagejoel posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism. in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state No, Venezuela is socialist and their economic policies that ran them into the ground are far more in line with the positions of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein than that of Scandinavian nations. Bernie has stated how he doesnt believe a 90%+ corporate tax rate wouldnt be unreasonable while ignoring that Norway, Finland, and Sweden have rather low corporate tax rates floating around the 20% ranges. Bernie has gone on note stating how immoral it would be to tax hike the middle class while ignoring the fact thats what those three countries do. I hate to break it to you, but Bernie Sanders is also a socdem --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914159526] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism.</quote> in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state</quote> No, Venezuela is socialist and their economic policies that ran them into the ground are far more in line with the positions of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein than that of Scandinavian nations. Bernie has stated how he doesnt believe a 90%+ corporate tax rate wouldnt be unreasonable while ignoring that Norway, Finland, and Sweden have rather low corporate tax rates floating around the 20% ranges. Bernie has gone on note stating how immoral it would be to tax hike the middle class while ignoring the fact thats what those three countries do.</quote> I hate to break it to you, but Bernie Sanders is also a socdem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/15/18 7:58:03 AM #37:	averagejoel posted... RoadsterUFO posted... averagejoel posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism. in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state No, Venezuela is socialist and their economic policies that ran them into the ground are far more in line with the positions of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein than that of Scandinavian nations. Bernie has stated how he doesnt believe a 90%+ corporate tax rate wouldnt be unreasonable while ignoring that Norway, Finland, and Sweden have rather low corporate tax rates floating around the 20% ranges. Bernie has gone on note stating how immoral it would be to tax hike the middle class while ignoring the fact thats what those three countries do. I hate to break it to you, but Bernie Sanders is also a socdem I'm still wondering how a "socialist state" has 70% of economy in the private sector with multinational corporations. It's funny because it's not far off from other countries with state sectors over 20% like Russia and Saudi Arabia, both state capitalist countries with a state sector greater than Venezuela. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914159929] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism.</quote> in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state</quote> No, Venezuela is socialist and their economic policies that ran them into the ground are far more in line with the positions of Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein than that of Scandinavian nations. Bernie has stated how he doesnt believe a 90%+ corporate tax rate wouldnt be unreasonable while ignoring that Norway, Finland, and Sweden have rather low corporate tax rates floating around the 20% ranges. Bernie has gone on note stating how immoral it would be to tax hike the middle class while ignoring the fact thats what those three countries do.</quote> I hate to break it to you, but Bernie Sanders is also a socdem</quote> I'm still wondering how a "socialist state" has 70% of economy in the private sector with multinational corporations. It's funny because it's not far off from other countries with state sectors over 20% like Russia and Saudi Arabia, both state capitalist countries with a state sector greater than Venezuela.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/15/18 8:11:59 AM #38:	wow, it's almost as though social democracy is unsustainable and only feasible for countries that are already wealthy --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914160198] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>wow, it's almost as though social democracy is unsustainable and only feasible for countries that are already wealthy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 12/15/18 8:43:48 AM #40:	Th3HonestTruth posted... averagejoel posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism. in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state Yep, an actual socialist state would be even worse it certainly would have prompted even more US intervention if that's what you mean --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914160903] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Th3HonestTruth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Folks doing hella mental gymnastics on trying to place Venezuelas failures on anything but socialism.</quote> in terms of the way the country actually functions, venezuela is more similar to a social democracy (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland) than to an actual socialist state</quote> Yep, an actual socialist state would be even worse</quote> it certainly would have prompted even more US intervention if that's what you mean</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 12/15/18 8:43:50 AM #41:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? I mean it's clearly one of its major problems. It's just that, admittedly as a fiscal right winger, socialism can be done correctly without economic collapse. Venezuela failed to do so. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:914160906] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> I mean it's clearly one of its major problems. It's just that, admittedly as a fiscal right winger, socialism can be done correctly without economic collapse. Venezuela failed to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 12/16/18 7:39:34 PM #43:	Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? Because he knows people will argue with him about it --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:914239837] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> Because he knows people will argue with him about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CornBarn 12/16/18 7:52:02 PM #44:	Are socialists still damage controlling for how hard socialism has failed? <cite>CornBarn posted [p:914240480] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Are socialists still damage controlling for how hard socialism has failed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/16/18 7:53:50 PM #45:	CornBarn posted... Are socialists still damage controlling for how hard socialism has failed? Always. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914240590] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>CornBarn posted...</cite> <quote>Are socialists still damage controlling for how hard socialism has failed?</quote> Always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/16/18 7:55:35 PM #46:	I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914240686] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 12/16/18 7:55:57 PM #47:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... Lonestar2000 posted... Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems? I mean it's clearly one of its major problems. It's just that, admittedly as a fiscal right winger, socialism can be done correctly without economic collapse. Venezuela failed to do so. I would like one example where socialism, I mean pure 100% socialism not mixed with any other type of system has actually succeeded. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:914240704] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do idiots try to blame socialism for Venezuela's problems?</quote> I mean it's clearly one of its major problems. It's just that, admittedly as a fiscal right winger, socialism can be done correctly without economic collapse. Venezuela failed to do so.</quote> I would like one example where socialism, I mean pure 100% socialism not mixed with any other type of system has actually succeeded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/16/18 7:56:47 PM #48:	Anti-245 posted... I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't. What similar countries? --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914240747] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't.</quote> What similar countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 12/16/18 7:57:12 PM #49:	Venezuela topic Posters blaming socialism Posters defending socialism --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:914240768] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote>Venezuela topic Posters blaming socialism Posters defending socialism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/16/18 8:07:32 PM #50:	Manocheese posted... Anti-245 posted... I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't. What similar countries? Most of Western Europe, Canada, India and other Latin American and middle eastern countries depending on your metric. They're actually have less in common with Cuba, which some argue is a socialist country. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914241359] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't.</quote> What similar countries?</quote> Most of Western Europe, Canada, India and other Latin American and middle eastern countries depending on your metric. They're actually have less in common with Cuba, which some argue is a socialist country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/16/18 8:20:25 PM #51:	Anti-245 posted... Manocheese posted... Anti-245 posted... I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't. What similar countries? Most of Western Europe, Canada Stopped reading there. Those countries have less economic freedom than we do, but they're not socialist. In Venezuela, the government has complete control of almost all resources and means of production. The inevitable result, as we're now seeing, is gross mismanagement of those resources, causing widespread suffering and misery. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:914242148] in Amid mass ... [t:77299893]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still wondering how Venezuela is socialist and other similar countries aren't.</quote> What similar countries?</quote> Most of Western Europe, Canada</quote> Stopped reading there. Those countries have less economic freedom than we do, but they're not socialist. In Venezuela, the government has complete control of almost all resources and means of production. The inevitable result, as we're now seeing, is gross mismanagement of those resources, causing widespread suffering and misery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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