Current Events > *sigh* I told you the #MeToo stuff was going to be weaponized by the alt right

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Conflict posted...

I'm not denying that it's common sense and that he's right

I'm just explaining how it could be seen as vague. Some people apparently do need this stuff explained to them, so you might as well go the extra mile.

if they "need" it explained, chances are they already subscribe to some beliefs that are parts of the problem. who else would play dumb in these moments?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/falserapeaccusations/

These two are particularly fun newer ones.

Son kills himself after false rape accusations. Mother hangs herself because she can't stand living in a world without her son.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/heartbroken-mum-teen-who-killed-8518826

Three bullies accuse a kid of sexual assault for fun. Kid now in therapy.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/10/lawsuit_accuses_mean_girls_at.html
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

step 1 to avoid molesting people

1) don?t molest people

Instructions unclear. Molested myself.
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Women have the ability to get people fired and ruin people's lives from mere accusations, but not a single woman in the world abuses that power. Nope.

Erm, what does this have to do with the alt-right? I highly doubt many alt-right people are actually on Wall Street.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Erm, what does this have to do with the alt-right? I highly doubt many alt-right people are actually on Wall Street.

there are alt righters in the white house dude
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metralo posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Erm, what does this have to do with the alt-right? I highly doubt many alt-right people are actually on Wall Street.

there are alt righters in the white house dude

That's not Wall Street.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Women have the ability to get people fired and ruin people's lives from mere accusations, but not a single woman in the world abuses that power. Nope.

The false accusations and the irony is when men are proved innocent some women still want them jailed like the three spanish men.
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We need to start charging and jailing false accusers, this epidemic is getting crazy
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People in this topic are acting like this is just about hiring, but really I think it's stuff like this that will be the real issue:

The changes can be subtle but insidious, with a woman, say, excluded from casual after-work drinks, leaving male colleagues to bond

Women are going to be excluded from social outings among coworkers like this, I have no doubt about that. It's just too risky to attempt to have a social relationship with a female colleague outside of work.
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Men are statistically more likely to commit crimes, especially the violent ones. Better stop hiring all men until this "epidemic" is brought under control. You never know when a man might assault, rape, or murder you. Why take the chance?
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metralo posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Imagine pretending women don't make false accusations when literal news stories come out like the three women who accused a taxi driver of rape, and the only reason he didn't go to jail was because he had a camera in his car.

imagine thinking it happens on a large enough scale to justify not hiring women

May as well not hire men because they are significantly more likely to commit literally every crime imaginable

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Sativa_Rose posted...

People in this topic are acting like this is just about hiring, but really I think it's stuff like this that will be the real issue:

The changes can be subtle but insidious, with a woman, say, excluded from casual after-work drinks, leaving male colleagues to bond

Women are going to be excluded from social outings among coworkers like this, I have no doubt about that. It's just too risky to attempt to have a social relationship with a female colleague outside of work.

This isn't an issue at all unless you expect to have one on one dinners and drinks with them.
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Is't making eye contact more than five seconds sexual assault now. The thermostat is sexist too remember.

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Is't making eye contact more than five seconds sexual assault now. The thermostat is sexist too remember.

How many sexual assaults have you and men you know been accused of in this new age?
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Darmik posted...

This isn't an issue at all unless you expect to have one on one dinners and drinks with them.

It's an issue because in the long run, this gives men more opportunities to network and build stronger relationships with other people in the field than their female counterparts will have.

Tech is going to have this same problem, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's already happening.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

step 1 to avoid molesting people

1) dont molest people

You say that like nobody is lying about shit, and people are just believing in them because they are women. LMAO. Look at this fucking topic.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Is't making eye contact more than five seconds sexual assault now. The thermostat is sexist too remember.

How many sexual assaults have you and men you know been accused of in this new age?

I am a steel worker and only work with men thankfully we hired two women but one lasted an hour and the other half a day. I think the one that lasted half a day complained about harrasment though so took her about four hours.

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/netflix-has-a-new-sexual-harassment-policy-its-like-7th-grade-on-steroids.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/nyregion/office-temperature-sexist-nixon-cuomo.amp.html

False accusations are absolutely a real thing, but I don't think they've reached epidemic levels to warrant this level of paranoia.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Darmik posted...

This isn't an issue at all unless you expect to have one on one dinners and drinks with them.

It's an issue because in the long run, this gives men more opportunities to network and build stronger relationships with other people in the field than their female counterparts will have.

Tech is going to have this same problem, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's already happening.

I would in an office and the gender divide is pretty equal here and there aren't any issues with social gatherings between genders.

But when the balance isn't heavily in one favour it's probably easier to manage here.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

False accusations are absolutely a real thing, but I don't think they've reached epidemic levels to warrant this level of paranoia.

The actual rate doesn't have to reach epidemic levels. They're taking precautions because the risk to their livelihood is so dis-proportionally extreme. No matter how small the chance. The incentives to falsely accuse someone is at a high point in the wake of #MeToo hysteria. And there's weaker standards for an accuser to make their case, because the #MeToo moral panic makes it appear as if there is an epidemic, and people forget that every accusation must be scrutinized.
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...

I am a steel worker and only work with men thankfully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgs9FRD25M" data-time="
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

False accusations are absolutely a real thing, but I don't think they've reached epidemic levels to warrant this level of paranoia.

Yeah. Proven false accusations make up about one-third of one percent (0.3%) of accusations.

This framing bends over backwards to protect men despite their relative safety and attempts to cast aspersions on the accusers as liars. There is nothing these accusers would like more than to have someone scrutinize their accounts. Most of these cases never see investigation by anyone and go ignored for years.
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On the other side of the coin in Japan I haven't gone to a work party that didn't involve sexual harassment occuring. It's basically guaranteed to happen and no one does anything about it. Last time a guy was taking upskirt pictures of our office staff. It's a shameful thing to do to anyone. They don't deserve that treatment, but everyone thinks it is normal here.

And I work in academia. Imagine how bad some other places here are.
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hollow_shrine posted...

The Catgirl Fondler posted...

False accusations are absolutely a real thing, but I don't think they've reached epidemic levels to warrant this level of paranoia.

Yeah. Proven false accusations make up about one-third of one percent (0.3%) of accusations.

This framing bends over backwards to protect men despite their relative safety and attempts to cast aspersions on the accusers as liars. There is nothing these accusers would like more than to have someone scrutinize their accounts. Most of these cases never see investigation by anyone and go ignored for years.

there's a pattern about these types.
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Let's also not forget the internet detectives and mob. Just getting accused is enough for many people online to spread personal information, harass people at home or work and generally try to ruin their lives. No proof, just an accusation.
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There is always the option of separating men and women in the work place, give the women a separate area to work and there might not be any issues. Women can keep working and being hired this way, they also wouldnt have the issue of sexual harassment if kept separate from the men.

Not the best option but with #MeToo going on this is the best they will likely get.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

There is always the option of separating men and women in the work place, give the women a separate area to work and there might not be any issues. Women can keep working and being hired this way, they also wouldnt have the issue of sexual harassment if kept separate from the men.

Not the best option but with #MeToo going on this is the best they will likely get.

yikes
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Called this like a year ago.

"Well just don't act like a pig towards women." is unfortunately not possible when we live in the happy time now where anyone can be offended and cry harassment on literally anything.
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hockeybub89 posted...

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

There is always the option of separating men and women in the work place, give the women a separate area to work and there might not be any issues. Women can keep working and being hired this way, they also wouldnt have the issue of sexual harassment if kept separate from the men.

Not the best option but with #MeToo going on this is the best they will likely get.

yikes

I never said it was a great option but its one that does not push women out of the work place.
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they fear what they cannot control

It cannot be overemphasized: this is a very human fear, rational or not, legitimate or not. When we give one group social power to stop a real threat, we inherently impose fear that it will be abused by that group upon the other social group(s).

one hand:

removal of work social events is generally a positive. nobody is ever obligated to be a mentor. outside work social events are arranged among friends. people get to choose their friends. these things are not discrimination.

other hand:

not hiring qualified women because you're afraid of the consequences of them speaking out when you or one of your employees assaults them is definitely discrimination and utter stupidity, begging for a lawsuit.

part of "dont be an asshole" is "be professional." doesnt obligate you to champion them. does obligate you to do business with them. keep business in the professional realm. don't involve alcohol.

work friends are the worst kind of friends anyway.
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RiderofHogs posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

I am a steel worker and only work with men thankfully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgs9FRD25M" data-time="

i had the same thought
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Darkman124 posted...

work friends are the worst kind of friends anyway.

Damn. Met some of my best friends (including my literal best friend) through work.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Hulkasaurusrex posted...

Is't making eye contact more than five seconds sexual assault now. The thermostat is sexist too remember.

How many sexual assaults have you and men you know been accused of in this new age?

One of my best buddies I met in college was previously kicked out of the school because his girlfriend falsely accused rape on him. One of my best friends is currently incarcerated because someone, once again, falsely accused him of rape. This one is a little more terrifying and a bit different from the topic because it was basically someone coming out of the closet and trying to save face. His trial hasn't come but his lawyers all say it's gonna be an easy case cause the "victim" can't get his story straight a opposed to my friend whose story remains consistent across several months.

It can happen and people are well justified to take any extreme measure to protect their livelihoods with how easily offended people can be and how others have had their lives ruined by it.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

step 1 to avoid molesting people

1) dont molest people

This is true, and all that's needed to avoid legitimate accusations.

To avoid false accusations, there's nothing wrong with

leaving the office door open, or inviting a third person into the room.

No need to stop hiring women, or hindering their advancement in the firm, using "false accusations" as an excuse to avoid them.
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/netflix-has-a-new-sexual-harassment-policy-its-like-7th-grade-on-steroids.html

I'd love to work somewhere that in order to avoid someone I just have to ask them out. I'd ask out my male manager to get transferred.
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EternalDivide posted...

Called this like a year ago.

"Well just don't act like a pig towards women." is unfortunately not possible when we live in the happy time now where anyone can be offended and cry harassment on literally anything.

How is it not possible when 99.9% of men are not currently being accused of harassment and having their lives destroyed?

"It can happen" does not justify being paranoid of something happening. Everything can happen.
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false accusations weren't such a problem until those traditionally without a voice finally started firing back in the same manner. it's fucked up, but we can trace any problem to its root.

all one can do now is hold themselves personally accountable. other people will always be other people, but if you can educate yourself and check your own biases, you'll likely not have these first hand experiences.

be courteous, be understanding, be responsible.
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*claps*
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ssjevot posted...

On the other side of the coin in Japan I haven't gone to a work party that didn't involve sexual harassment occuring. It's basically guaranteed to happen and no one does anything about it. Last time a guy was taking upskirt pictures of our office staff. It's a shameful thing to do to anyone. They don't deserve that treatment, but everyone thinks it is normal here.

And I work in academia. Imagine how bad some other places here are.

Good old Japan. Western feminism hasn't quite caught on to there yet. Globalization though is another matter.

Funbazooka posted...

*claps*

such an incel reply lol

sneakysnake posted...

ssjevot posted...

On the other side of the coin in Japan I haven't gone to a work party that didn't involve sexual harassment occuring. It's basically guaranteed to happen and no one does anything about it. Last time a guy was taking upskirt pictures of our office staff. It's a shameful thing to do to anyone. They don't deserve that treatment, but everyone thinks it is normal here.

And I work in academia. Imagine how bad some other places here are.

Good old Japan. Western feminism hasn't quite caught on to there yet. Globalization though is another matter.

It likely never will because of the way it tries to go about changing things being counter to the Japanese way of doing things. There are movements to change things here and progress is being made on some issues, but it's not rooted in Western feminist theory. That is very fringe, even in academia here.
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ssjevot posted...

sneakysnake posted...

ssjevot posted...

On the other side of the coin in Japan I haven't gone to a work party that didn't involve sexual harassment occuring. It's basically guaranteed to happen and no one does anything about it. Last time a guy was taking upskirt pictures of our office staff. It's a shameful thing to do to anyone. They don't deserve that treatment, but everyone thinks it is normal here.

And I work in academia. Imagine how bad some other places here are.

Good old Japan. Western feminism hasn't quite caught on to there yet. Globalization though is another matter.

It likely never will because of the way it tries to go about changing things being counter to the Japanese way of doing things. There are movements to change things here and progress is being made on some issues, but it's not rooted in Western feminist theory. That is very fringe, even in academia here.

That's great. Japan's culture does not need to accept nor tolerate extremist Western feminism. On the other, if something can be done about those JET english teachers poisoning school children minds with SJWism...

Japan will find its time to change, if very slowly. Being as homogeneous as they are, social issues that go against the grain of society catch on very gradually.

Of course, the person celebrating sexual harassment in this topic is kinda pissing me off.
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Not as much as when then UN wanted Japan to ban sale of manga and games depicting sexual violence. This is how Japan BTFO of the UN:

https://imgur.com/a/Qp9lplm

Goes to show the UN take priority in protecting the rights of "fictional" characters over real life people. Way to show how useless they are by going the lowest hanging fruit.

sneakysnake posted...

Not as much as when then UN wanted Japan to ban sale of manga and games depicting sexual violence. This is how Japan BTFO of the UN:

https://imgur.com/a/Qp9lplm

Goes to show the UN take priority in protecting the rights of "fictional" characters over real life people. Way to show how useless they are by going the lowest hanging fruit.

Wow, bodied
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Trump sexually harrassed 16 women no consequences
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

sneakysnake posted...

Not as much as when then UN wanted Japan to ban sale of manga and games depicting sexual violence. This is how Japan BTFO of the UN:

https://imgur.com/a/Qp9lplm

Goes to show the UN take priority in protecting the rights of "fictional" characters over real life people. Way to show how useless they are by going the lowest hanging fruit.

Wow, bodied

The UN is a joke, a bunch of finger waving hypocrites who care more about show then real results and putting in real efforts towards real problems.
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