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scar the 1 12/03/18 1:32:43 PM #102:	HenryAllbright posted... But they aren't having it and eating it too. Because that's not possible. So all people can really do is want their cake and eat it too. That's why I changed it. I'm pretty sure that's the whole point --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:913472451] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>But they aren't having it and eating it too. Because that's not possible. So all people can really do is want their cake and eat it too. That's why I changed it.</quote> I'm pretty sure that's the whole point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 1:33:28 PM #103:	Twin3Turbo posted... HenryAllbright posted... If I get diarrhea every time I eat Cheetos, and then I complain about the diarrhea but then go back the next day and eat more Cheetos, what does that tell you about how I really feel about getting diarrhea? It tells you that while I may not like it, and that I wish I didn't have it, that it's still worth eating Cheetos even if I get diarrhea. And then you have to consider what happens if you make Cheetos that don't give you diarrhea. Sure, it's nice to not have diarrhea. But changing up the ingredients in Cheetos so that I don't get diarrhea when I eat them anymore might make Cheetos not taste as good as I want them to. You affect one thing, it affects other things, etc. Or that you just accept that eating Cheetos is going to make you have diarrhea and you don't want to give up Cheetos. That still says NOTHING about whether or not getting diarrhea is bad. HenryAllbright posted... Yes, it's called wanting your cake and eating it too. ....what? Did you really just say this about a comparison to domestic violence? Are you serious right now? 1) Because everything is relative. And everything is economics. That's how you do a proper analysis. 2) Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. It sounds like you think pointing that out is somehow insulting, but it really isn't. Those people remain in those relationships because there is something about those relationships that they want to keep. The violence is bad, and it isn't the fault of the person receiving it, but people in abusive relationships need to understand they aren't going to get the good parts of that relationship while somehow being able to eliminate the bad. Obviously that doesn't fit all abusive relationships, because in some very rare cases people are threatened when they say they're going to leave. But that's the rare exception to the rule that hopefully doesn't need to be pointed out :) --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913472485] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>If I get diarrhea every time I eat Cheetos, and then I complain about the diarrhea but then go back the next day and eat more Cheetos, what does that tell you about how I really feel about getting diarrhea? It tells you that while I may not like it, and that I wish I didn't have it, that it's still worth eating Cheetos even if I get diarrhea. And then you have to consider what happens if you make Cheetos that don't give you diarrhea. Sure, it's nice to not have diarrhea. But changing up the ingredients in Cheetos so that I don't get diarrhea when I eat them anymore might make Cheetos not taste as good as I want them to. You affect one thing, it affects other things, etc. </quote> Or that you just accept that eating Cheetos is going to make you have diarrhea and you don't want to give up Cheetos. That still says NOTHING about whether or not getting diarrhea is bad. <cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, it's called wanting your cake and eating it too.</quote> ....what? Did you really just say this about a comparison to domestic violence? Are you serious right now?</quote> 1) Because everything is relative. And everything is economics. That's how you do a proper analysis. 2) Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. It sounds like you think pointing that out is somehow insulting, but it really isn't. Those people remain in those relationships because there is something about those relationships that they want to keep. The violence is bad, and it isn't the fault of the person receiving it, but people in abusive relationships need to understand they aren't going to get the good parts of that relationship while somehow being able to eliminate the bad. Obviously that doesn't fit all abusive relationships, because in some very rare cases people are threatened when they say they're going to leave. But that's the rare exception to the rule that hopefully doesn't need to be pointed out :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 1:34:18 PM #104:	Twin3Turbo posted... HenryAllbright posted... Darkman124 posted... HenryAllbright posted... Twin3Turbo posted... I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying it's a bad argument. I can name you many reasons why they still go to night clubs despite unwanted groping. The same way I can name you many reasons why someone might still stay in a violent relationship. That doesn't make it not bad. Yes, it's called wanting your cake and eating it too. having, although the original expression was "eating your cake, and having it too" But they aren't having it and eating it too. Because that's not possible. So all people can really do is want their cake and eat it too. That's why I changed it. In that expression, "having" is meant to mean physically having it. Like the cake being physically present. Exactly. You can't have your cake and it, too. Yet, there are people out there who still want their cake and eat it, too. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913472536] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying it's a bad argument. I can name you many reasons why they still go to night clubs despite unwanted groping. The same way I can name you many reasons why someone might still stay in a violent relationship. That doesn't make it not bad.</quote> Yes, it's called wanting your cake and eating it too.</quote> having, although the original expression was "eating your cake, and having it too"</quote> But they aren't having it and eating it too. Because that's not possible. So all people can really do is want their cake and eat it too. That's why I changed it.</quote> In that expression, "having" is meant to mean physically having it. Like the cake being physically present.</quote> Exactly. You can't have your cake and it, too. Yet, there are people out there who still want their cake and eat it, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/03/18 1:34:55 PM #105:	This feels like trolling --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:913472570] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>This feels like trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 1:37:37 PM #106:	scar the 1 posted... This feels like trolling Just giving these people a lesson in how language works. "Wanting your cake and eating it," too is the same as saying "wanting to have your cake and eat it, too." --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913472722] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>This feels like trolling</quote> Just giving these people a lesson in how language works. "Wanting your cake and eating it," too is the same as saying "wanting to have your cake and eat it, too."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 12/03/18 1:46:51 PM #107:	HenryAllbright posted... 1) Because everything is relative. And everything is economics. That's how you do a proper analysis. 2) Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. It sounds like you think pointing that out is somehow insulting, but it really isn't. Those people remain in those relationships because there is something about those relationships that they want to keep. The violence is bad, and it isn't the fault of the person receiving it, but people in abusive relationships need to understand they aren't going to get the good parts of that relationship while somehow being able to eliminate the bad. Obviously that doesn't fit all abusive relationships, because in some very rare cases people are threatened when they say they're going to leave. But that's the rare exception to the rule that hopefully doesn't need to be pointed out :) 1. That literally says nothing about how bad it is, which is my entire point in the first place. 2. Oh boy. I don't have the time to educate you on your complete lack of understanding regarding abusive relationships pertaining to the physical, mental, and social aspect. And once again, nothing you stated there says ANYTHING about my main point. I'm glad you yourself pointed out that it was bad though, doing my job for me. scar the 1 posted... This feels like trolling Indeed --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:913473231] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>1) Because everything is relative. And everything is economics. That's how you do a proper analysis. 2) Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. It sounds like you think pointing that out is somehow insulting, but it really isn't. Those people remain in those relationships because there is something about those relationships that they want to keep. The violence is bad, and it isn't the fault of the person receiving it, but people in abusive relationships need to understand they aren't going to get the good parts of that relationship while somehow being able to eliminate the bad. Obviously that doesn't fit all abusive relationships, because in some very rare cases people are threatened when they say they're going to leave. But that's the rare exception to the rule that hopefully doesn't need to be pointed out :)</quote> 1. That literally says nothing about how bad it is, which is my entire point in the first place. 2. Oh boy. I don't have the time to educate you on your complete lack of understanding regarding abusive relationships pertaining to the physical, mental, and social aspect. And once again, nothing you stated there says ANYTHING about my main point. I'm glad you yourself pointed out that it was bad though, doing my job for me. <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>This feels like trolling</quote> Indeed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balnazarr 12/03/18 1:50:15 PM #108:	It's not just easy to leave abusive relations. Often times the abuser doesn't simply let you go or extincting crustaceans prevent you from doing so. I come to CE and I'm never surprised you have people defending abusive relations and groping. <cite>Balnazarr posted [p:913473406] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>It's not just easy to leave abusive relations. Often times the abuser doesn't simply let you go or extincting crustaceans prevent you from doing so. I come to CE and I'm never surprised you have people defending abusive relations and groping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dabrikishaw15 12/03/18 1:52:32 PM #109:	Fam_Fam posted... well maybe they shouldn't wear sexy dresses out in public if they don't want people doing that </CElogic> --- 3DS FC: 4382 - 2449 - 5707 IGN: Anthony <cite>Dabrikishaw15 posted [p:913473525] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>well maybe they shouldn't wear sexy dresses out in public if they don't want people doing that </CElogic></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omniryu 12/03/18 1:56:19 PM #110:	That's why they need men only bar and women only bars. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 <cite>omniryu posted [p:913473751] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>That's why they need men only bar and women only bars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
realnifty1 12/03/18 1:56:24 PM #111:	Holy shit did that dude go all in on victim blaming. I really needed the laugh. Hope you are trolling, if not seek mental services. <cite>realnifty1 posted [p:913473756] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit did that dude go all in on victim blaming. I really needed the laugh. Hope you are trolling, if not seek mental services.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gadgaurd 12/03/18 1:58:57 PM #112:	I can totally see some of those touches being complete accidents. It's a freaking night club. No way all that was intentional. --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/gadgaurd.png https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChRPh9M0sh0qDJU464qoImg <cite>gadgaurd posted [p:913473908] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>I can totally see some of those touches being complete accidents. It's a freaking night club. No way all that was intentional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nova4554 12/03/18 1:59:24 PM #113:	this may have been surprising if i actually gave a fuck. who cares? <cite>Nova4554 posted [p:913473929] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>this may have been surprising if i actually gave a fuck. who cares?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omniryu 12/03/18 1:59:26 PM #114:	omniryu posted... That's why they need men only bar and women only bars. This way everyone can feel safe --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 <cite>omniryu posted [p:913473930] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>omniryu posted...</cite> <quote>That's why they need men only bar and women only bars.</quote> This way everyone can feel safe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 12/03/18 2:00:45 PM #115:	Im going to legally yell racial slurs. Nobody should illegally assault me for it. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:913474002] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>Im going to legally yell racial slurs. Nobody should illegally assault me for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:16:34 PM #116:	Balnazarr posted... It's not just easy to leave abusive relations. Often times the abuser doesn't simply let you go or extincting crustaceans prevent you from doing so. I come to CE and I'm never surprised you have people defending abusive relations and groping. And I even pointed that out as an exception. Come on, guys, read my posts please. I'm also not defending abusive relationships. I'm just pointing out that even if there are legitimate reasons for staying in an abusive relationship that often times it's still a case of wanting your cake and eating it too. Pointing that out is not an insult to the victim in those types of relationships nor is it a defense of abusing somebody. All these concepts can exist without them being mutually exclusive of each other. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913474820] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balnazarr posted...</cite> <quote>It's not just easy to leave abusive relations. Often times the abuser doesn't simply let you go or extincting crustaceans prevent you from doing so. I come to CE and I'm never surprised you have people defending abusive relations and groping.</quote> And I even pointed that out as an exception. Come on, guys, read my posts please. I'm also not defending abusive relationships. I'm just pointing out that even if there are legitimate reasons for staying in an abusive relationship that often times it's still a case of wanting your cake and eating it too. Pointing that out is not an insult to the victim in those types of relationships nor is it a defense of abusing somebody. All these concepts can exist without them being mutually exclusive of each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:20:04 PM #117:	realnifty1 posted... Holy shit did that dude go all in on victim blaming. I really needed the laugh. Hope you are trolling, if not seek mental services. You talking about me? If so, you need to re-read my posts. I'm not blaming any victims. The world doesn't work in one direction, it works in multiple directions. It's not okay to grope girls without their consent, and it's not okay to abuse people in a relationship. Just because I've pointed out that there are other factors to consider and different areas where "control" can be explored doesn't mean that I'm somehow blaming victims. These sorts of leaps in logic have got to stop. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913475010] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>realnifty1 posted...</cite> <quote>Holy shit did that dude go all in on victim blaming. I really needed the laugh. Hope you are trolling, if not seek mental services.</quote> You talking about me? If so, you need to re-read my posts. I'm not blaming any victims. The world doesn't work in one direction, it works in multiple directions. It's not okay to grope girls without their consent, and it's not okay to abuse people in a relationship. Just because I've pointed out that there are other factors to consider and different areas where "control" can be explored doesn't mean that I'm somehow blaming victims. These sorts of leaps in logic have got to stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 12/03/18 2:22:07 PM #118:	Kolibri X posted... In Brazil? Sounds low. This. Brazil is a cesspool. I'm sure it happens in other countries too but I doubt most countries compare to Brazil in that regard. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:913475116] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kolibri X posted...</cite> <quote>In Brazil? Sounds low.</quote> This. Brazil is a cesspool. I'm sure it happens in other countries too but I doubt most countries compare to Brazil in that regard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 12/03/18 2:22:58 PM #119:	LinkAndEpona posted... Women grope too, just so you know. Also, this was in Brazil. Brazil --- ultimate milf hunter https://imgur.com/lCEdce6 https://imgur.com/2N1Ezia https://imgur.com/ukJ6sPJ https://youtu.be/IDYaHvDiTr4 <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:913475159] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkAndEpona posted...</cite> <quote>Women grope too, just so you know.</quote> Also, this was in Brazil. Brazil</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ultima Dragon 12/03/18 2:26:47 PM #120:	The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. --- "We know things can move faster than the speed of light because liberal tears are on the ground before something offensive even happens" - Coffeebeanz <cite>Ultima Dragon posted [p:913475397] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/03/18 2:30:06 PM #121:	That's not groping in the traditional sense. That's just unwanted touching, which mostly happened on the arms, shoulders and sides. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Rarely anyone touched their chest or butt. If you're going to go to a dance club, where people are constantly trying to mingle, dance and hookup, this kind of stuff is not out of the ordinary. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:913475587] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>That's not groping in the traditional sense. That's just unwanted touching, which mostly happened on the arms, shoulders and sides. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Rarely anyone touched their chest or butt. If you're going to go to a dance club, where people are constantly trying to mingle, dance and hookup, this kind of stuff is not out of the ordinary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/18 2:30:36 PM #122:	Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913475619] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. </quote> I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 12/03/18 2:37:54 PM #123:	hockeybub89 posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore? my [white] gf was in Africa, and she was very scared being touched by people when she didn't want it. guys DID grab her by the arms/wrists, and she was fucking terrified. just because you don't see it as as big deal doesn't mean that it isn't a big deal to others. we DO normalize it, and that's not okay for a lot of women. but men don't care and find it to be normal/completely acceptable. this is a big problem. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:913475999] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. </quote> I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore?</quote> my [white] gf was in Africa, and she was very scared being touched by people when she didn't want it. guys DID grab her by the arms/wrists, and she was fucking terrified. just because you don't see it as as big deal doesn't mean that it isn't a big deal to others. we DO normalize it, and that's not okay for a lot of women. but men don't care and find it to be normal/completely acceptable. this is a big problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 12/03/18 2:38:37 PM #124:	Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:913476051] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/03/18 2:43:14 PM #125:	Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. I get that women in Brazil get harassed more often than women in the United States, but this experiment is just plain stupid. Nobody try to grabbed their breasts or butt, which is that clickbait TC is trying to imply. Everyone who's been to a night club (where people socialize, dance, have fun and meet people) know that this kind of touching is fairly normal, even in US night clubs. Men approach women to dance and sometimes they touch their back, hands, shoulders and waist. Some women want the attention and some women want to dance. If you're going use beautiful women and give them a tight fitting dress, they're going to get approached constantly in the night clubs. That's just expected. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:913476306] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> I get that women in Brazil get harassed more often than women in the United States, but this experiment is just plain stupid. Nobody try to grabbed their breasts or butt, which is that clickbait TC is trying to imply. Everyone who's been to a night club (where people socialize, dance, have fun and meet people) know that this kind of touching is fairly normal, even in US night clubs. Men approach women to dance and sometimes they touch their back, hands, shoulders and waist. Some women want the attention and some women want to dance. If you're going use beautiful women and give them a tight fitting dress, they're going to get approached constantly in the night clubs. That's just expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/03/18 2:44:48 PM #126:	hockeybub89 posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore? Most normal people that go to clubs or other social spots are not so touch-aversive that even casual contact is unacceptable. As long as no one touches them in an intimate area or manhandles them, they will not consider it to be an unwelcome type of touch. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:913476384] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote> The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. </quote> I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore?</quote> Most normal people that go to clubs or other social spots are not so touch-aversive that even casual contact is unacceptable. As long as no one touches them in an intimate area or manhandles them, they will not consider it to be an unwelcome type of touch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/03/18 2:47:17 PM #127:	Fam_Fam posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok? Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:913476526] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok?</quote> Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/03/18 2:48:58 PM #128:	HenryAllbright posted... But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why? You had good points until this. Wow. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:913476618] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why?</quote> You had good points until this. Wow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoopPotato 12/03/18 2:50:05 PM #129:	I've been to a few smaller clubs or bars where it's damn near impossible to NOT touch someone. I understand it not being cool to touch people inappropriately, you have to understand that a simple tap on the shoulder followed by "excuse me" shouldn't be seen as threatening in any way. --- http://i.minus.com/i5EWBMXTN4ERv.gif <cite>PoopPotato posted [p:913476685] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>I've been to a few smaller clubs or bars where it's damn near impossible to NOT touch someone. I understand it not being cool to touch people inappropriately, you have to understand that a simple tap on the shoulder followed by "excuse me" shouldn't be seen as threatening in any way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:51:46 PM #130:	What he's saying is that besides the obvious factor of it being crowded, that many women go to nightclubs expecting men to touch them without verbal consent, and that many men go to nightclubs expecting women to want them to touch them without verbal consent, and vice versa. For those that don't want to partake in this, the question become becomes whether or not they should want to put an end to this social agreement taking place between so many people from both genders, or whether or they should try and establish an alternative that fits their preferences while not interfering with the preferences of others. Of course, they could also simply walk away or just learn to tolerate it. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913476768] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>What he's saying is that besides the obvious factor of it being crowded, that many women go to nightclubs expecting men to touch them without verbal consent, and that many men go to nightclubs expecting women to want them to touch them without verbal consent, and vice versa. For those that don't want to partake in this, the question become becomes whether or not they should want to put an end to this social agreement taking place between so many people from both genders, or whether or they should try and establish an alternative that fits their preferences while not interfering with the preferences of others. Of course, they could also simply walk away or just learn to tolerate it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/03/18 2:52:13 PM #131:	HenryAllbright posted... Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you?? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:913476787] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. </quote> WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:52:27 PM #132:	dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why? You had good points until this. Wow. Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913476808] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why?</quote> You had good points until this. Wow.</quote> Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:54:38 PM #133:	dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you?? Calm down. There are legitimate reasons to wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. I'm not disputing that. Not every application of that concept is insulting, degrading, or blaming of the person succumbing to it. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913476918] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. </quote> WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you??</quote> Calm down. There are legitimate reasons to wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. I'm not disputing that. Not every application of that concept is insulting, degrading, or blaming of the person succumbing to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:55:15 PM #134:	Paragon21XX posted... hockeybub89 posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore? Most normal people that go to clubs or other social spots are not so touch-aversive that even casual contact is unacceptable. As long as no one touches them in an intimate area or manhandles them, they will not consider it to be an unwelcome type of touch. Well put. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913476951] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote> The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. </quote> I'm pretty sure that fact is part of the point. Why the hell do we normalize unsolicited touching? Is no one taught about personal space anymore?</quote> Most normal people that go to clubs or other social spots are not so touch-aversive that even casual contact is unacceptable. As long as no one touches them in an intimate area or manhandles them, they will not consider it to be an unwelcome type of touch.</quote> Well put.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/03/18 2:55:56 PM #135:	HenryAllbright posted... dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why? You had good points until this. Wow. Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me. No need. There's nothing excusing unwanted ass groping. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:913476987] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why?</quote> You had good points until this. Wow.</quote> Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me.</quote> No need. There's nothing excusing unwanted ass groping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/03/18 2:56:31 PM #136:	HenryAllbright posted... dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you?? Calm down. There are legitimate reasons to wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. I'm not disputing that. Not every application of that concept is insulting, degrading, or blaming of the person succumbing to it. Shut the fuck up. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:913477028] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Yes I did. If somebody is being abused in a relationship, and they stay in it, then that is a clear-cut case of wanting your cake and eating it too. </quote> WOW! What the fuck is wrong with you??</quote> Calm down. There are legitimate reasons to wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. I'm not disputing that. Not every application of that concept is insulting, degrading, or blaming of the person succumbing to it.</quote> Shut the fuck up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 2:57:23 PM #137:	dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why? You had good points until this. Wow. Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me. No need. There's nothing excusing unwanted ass groping. Good thing I never once made an excuse for it. Seriously, if you're going to get mad and troll me, then don't bother posting at all. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913477078] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>But it is more acceptable at a club. If I were to grab a woman's ass at work, I'd probably be fired. If I did it at a nightclub, nobody would likely say anything. If it was so terrible, people would stop going to nightclubs. But they don't. Why?</quote> You had good points until this. Wow.</quote> Read all my posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me.</quote> No need. There's nothing excusing unwanted ass groping.</quote> Good thing I never once made an excuse for it. Seriously, if you're going to get mad and troll me, then don't bother posting at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/03/18 2:59:13 PM #138:	This is what many dance clubs are like. Crowed, social and people dancing. If you don't like the attention, stay home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p78wcqOzosU" data-time=" --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:913477170] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>This is what many dance clubs are like. Crowed, social and people dancing. If you don't like the attention, stay home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p78wcqOzosU" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/03/18 3:00:40 PM #139:	HenryAllbright posted... Good thing I never once made an excuse for it. HenryAllbright posted... Read all your posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:913477251] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Good thing I never once made an excuse for it.</quote> <cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Read all your posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/03/18 3:04:40 PM #140:	dave_is_slick posted... HenryAllbright posted... Good thing I never once made an excuse for it. HenryAllbright posted... Read all your posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me. I didn't. I don't want to see people get touched when it's not wanted. I can understand why it happens, and I can think of better ways to solve the problem that don't screw other people over, but that doesn't mean I think it's just totally okay to be unwantingly touched. And I've been very clear from the beginning that I'm talking about more casual stuff not balant over-the-top shit like jamming your fingers tips into a woman's crotch. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:913477446] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Good thing I never once made an excuse for it.</quote> <cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Read all your posts. All of them. At least 3 times. Then get back to me.</quote></quote> I didn't. I don't want to see people get touched when it's not wanted. I can understand why it happens, and I can think of better ways to solve the problem that don't screw other people over, but that doesn't mean I think it's just totally okay to be unwantingly touched. And I've been very clear from the beginning that I'm talking about more casual stuff not balant over-the-top shit like jamming your fingers tips into a woman's crotch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 12/03/18 3:35:07 PM #141:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Fam_Fam posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok? Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead. again, what if you want to go to a club (different from a bar), and not be touched. why can that not be an option? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:913479032] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok?</quote> Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead.</quote> again, what if you want to go to a club (different from a bar), and not be touched. why can that not be an option?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/03/18 3:37:13 PM #142:	Fam_Fam posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Fam_Fam posted... Ultima Dragon posted... The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it. what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok? Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead. again, what if you want to go to a club (different from a bar), and not be touched. why can that not be an option? There is. It's called chess club. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:913479143] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of going to a club and expecting to not be touched at all strikes me as weird. It's a dingy, overcrowded cesspool full of sweaty, drunk/high people dry humping the shit out of each other. It's like going to an orgy and expecting to not have sex. I don't get the logic behind it.</quote> what if you want to go to a club and not be touched? is that simply not an option? because people assume it's ok?</quote> Don't go to a club. Go to a bar instead.</quote> again, what if you want to go to a club (different from a bar), and not be touched. why can that not be an option?</quote> There is. It's called chess club.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 12/03/18 3:38:23 PM #143:	Made by drinks company Schweppes, in partnership with Oglivy, the dress relayed information via wi-fi in real time, so a team could track the harassment as it happened. Just a reminder that a corporation paid for this. It's an ad. Might want to take their "findings" with a grain of salt... not to mention that being touched in a nightclub is expected. --- MAGA <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:913479212] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><quote>Made by drinks company Schweppes, in partnership with Oglivy, the dress relayed information via wi-fi in real time, so a team could track the harassment as it happened.</quote> Just a reminder that a corporation paid for this. It's an ad. Might want to take their "findings" with a grain of salt... not to mention that being touched in a nightclub is expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nundulan 12/03/18 3:48:21 PM #144:	A_Good_Boy posted... Drumiester posted... Ah thank you Me Too movement for making life as a male 10 times harder Yikes big yike --- Serenity now, insanity later <cite>Nundulan posted [p:913479720] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Drumiester posted...</cite> <quote>Ah thank you Me Too movement for making life as a male 10 times harder</quote> Yikes</quote> big yike</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/03/18 6:38:27 PM #145:	How the hell is an abusive relationship like "wanting to have your cake and eat it too"? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:913488673] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>How the hell is an abusive relationship like "wanting to have your cake and eat it too"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Krave_ 12/03/18 8:51:49 PM #146:	You couldn't imagine the amount of women thinking men are pussies because they aren't assertive enough with their touching. It's how men show interest. --- Am I seducing or being seduced? <cite>_Krave_ posted [p:913496142] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>You couldn't imagine the amount of women thinking men are pussies because they aren't assertive enough with their touching. It's how men show interest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
V-E-G-Y- 12/04/18 4:53:27 PM #147:	Is dat true --- https://imgur.com/L6MQGtI https://imgur.com/HAj1Ocp https://imgur.com/Op6gMTg https://imgur.com/hNkY6mv <cite>V-E-G-Y- posted [p:913542008] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>Is dat true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PtlessAgmnts 12/06/18 1:26:14 AM #148:	Rape culture <cite>PtlessAgmnts posted [p:913624740] in Smart dres... [t:77263795]...</cite> <quote>Rape culture</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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