Current Events > Jordan Peterson: Nazi apologist

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https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/1067578938405326848?s=19
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anyone who actually gives a flying fuck about what jordan peterson says is an obvious sexist virgin. I guess racist now too.

another typical alt right hero
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Paper_Okami posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beKLAuPhISM" data-time="

"I eat tiny infants"
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JP another dude that needs to stay in his fuckin lane.

he's not a historian or expert on nazi's.

what a buffoon.
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It says a lot that Jordan Peterson of all people triggers liberals to this extent.

That entire twitter account is fucking pathetic. Every day they tweet about how JP is transphobic, some kind of phobic, some kind of ist.

spudger posted...

JP another dude that needs to stay in his fuckin lane.

he's not a historian or expert on nazi's.

what a buffoon.

he's not an expert on anything
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metralo posted...

spudger posted...

JP another dude that needs to stay in his fuckin lane.

he's not a historian or expert on nazi's.

what a buffoon.

he's not an expert on anything

i believe he's a psychologist or sociologist? I forget what he taught at TU... he needs to stick to that.
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BeantownHero posted...

https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/1067578938405326848?s=19

Can't open link, what is it?
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I told CE this.

This guy is yet another gateway drug into the alt-right, just like Milo was. He begins with "clean your room" and follows up with "nazis represent law and order" ("law and order".... sounds familiar?) and "you have to understand the nazis' circumstances".

Milkman5 posted...

It says a lot that Jordan Peterson of all people triggers liberals to this extent.

That entire twitter account is fucking pathetic. Every day they tweet about how JP is transphobic, some kind of phobic, some kind of ist.

He has made it his goal to trigger liberals, and play victim. So i think he succeeded.
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JP is whatever

but this twitter account is also pathetic. Like goddamn he built up that much of a following complaining about one guy over and over and over

I mean, I don't really take any issue with what he's said in that clip other than the end references to Jungian shit that got cut off at the end.

He is a charlatan though.
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Coastal_elite posted...

This guy is yet another gateway drug into the alt-right, just like Milo was. He begins with "clean your room" and follows up with "nazis represent law and order" ("law and order".... sounds familiar?) and "you have to understand the nazis' circumstances".

LMAO
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Comfy_Pillow posted...

JP is whatever

but this twitter account is also pathetic. Like goddamn he built up that much of a following complaining about one guy over and over and over

lol. thats very true.

social media and the people who feed off of it are strange beasts.
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all i know about this dude is one side is like haha triggered libs and the other side calls him a fucking moron lol
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How did this dipshit get to be a professor?
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What!? IM SHOCKED!
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hyperpsycho posted...

How did this dipshit get to be a professor?

His actual work is just boring old normal personality psych stuff.

Everything he talks about in public is almost completely unrelated to his academic credentials.
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Joelypoely posted...

Coastal_elite posted...

This guy is yet another gateway drug into the alt-right, just like Milo was. He begins with "clean your room" and follows up with "nazis represent law and order" ("law and order".... sounds familiar?) and "you have to understand the nazis' circumstances".

LMAO

He literally said the things in bold

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.
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Peterson is one of the biggest charlatans alive. It's amazing how many young men he has coaxed.
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Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

Something that I never like discussing about Nazi Germany is trying to contextualize their society at the time, even from a neutral standpoint. Its like not immediately taking the side of they are to be demonized like the horrible monsters they are means youre secretly siding with them.
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Solid Sonic posted...

Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

Something that I never like discussing about Nazi Germany is trying to contextualize their society at the time, even from a neutral standpoint. Its like not immediately taking the side of they are to be demonized like the horrible monsters they are means youre secretly siding with them.

yep. some people can't handle nuance. like trying to discuss the war crimes of the Israeli state without being called an anti semite.
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Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

You can do the same with Sadam Hussein, Bin Laden, ISIS, other dictators, serial killers, school shooters e.t.c.

Everyone is a hero or sympathetic from at least one perspectiive

Wow he tries to understand the motivations of the german people and everyone calls him a nazi. I guess modern liberals hate nazi's so mutch because they are afraid they will notice similarities to the far left. Authoritarianism, racism, and blindly following a misguided doctrine. Its funny the nazi's used schools to indocrinate their people seems the left took some pointers. Almost forgot anti semitism oh but its ok cause you call it anti zionism ok.

I thought this was like, the 10th grade history class of how WWII happened.

Germany lost WWI and got completely screwed over (Germany didn't have a "Roaring Twenties" just a really long depression) and life just sucks. Then comes this charismatic asshole comes along and says "All of your problems are these guys fault!" which was kinda a general opinion of the time anyway and got everyone stirred up so they could get out of the depression and become a superpower again. And all the hatefulness was just ignored by the rest of the world (because everyone is kinda low-key racist) so it just festered up and by the time anyone realized there was a problem, it had gone way too far.

And even then, it was only a problem because these guys started beat up your friend (France) because you all teamed up on him a couple years ago.

This was basically the way WWII started according to my 10th grade history class.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

You can do the same with Sadam Hussein, Bin Laden, ISIS e.t.c\

Everyone is a hero from at least one perspectiive

Perfect example. No one is implying Hitler did "right" or "was justified" but the dimensionality of his actions is more than just "THE JEWS". The damage World War I did to their society was HUGE and a lot of his political upsurge was primarily due to his promise to restore Germany to pre-WW1 conditions.

His antisemitic rhetoric was embedded in that agenda, sure, and his people bought it pretty readily but you have to realize how dire and desperate things were for their people in those years between WW1 and WW2. They were looking for ANYWHERE to place the blame on their crumbling society.
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spudger posted...

some people can't handle nuance.

Solid Sonic posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

You can do the same with Sadam Hussein, Bin Laden, ISIS e.t.c\

Everyone is a hero from at least one perspectiive

Perfect example. No one is implying Hitler did "right" or "was justified" but the dimensionality of his actions is more than just "THE JEWS". The damage World War I did to their society was HUGE and a lot of his political upsurge was primarily due to his promise to restore Germany to pre-WW1 conditions.

His antisemitic rhetoric was embedded in that agenda, sure, and his people bought it pretty readily but you have to realize how dire and desperate things were for their people in those years between WW1 and WW2. They were looking for ANYWHERE to place the blame on their crumbling society.

I don't know if JP defended Nazism in the video, but going of from what i have read on this topic. I think his actions are misguided and almost conspiratorial. For e.g ISIS as many internet users state, are the product of the US destabilising their nation, fuelling war through them, something they in turn used in retaliation against the West, as far as i know they feel they are being punished for the actions of others, as such their terrorism activities in the West is reflective of the destruction the US is causing on innocent civilians.

Again contextualised, anything can be 'reasoned' with. But I disagree with ISIS, just like I disagree with Nazism and to try and contextualise it in any from other than a meaningless internet debate, is a cause of concern and it's as if you're trying to spin conspiracies. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. At the end of the day, Nazi's killed so many innocent people, as do ISIS, only a madman would try to reason with their actions. Because the Germans were being punished for WW1, something that the innocent people were unfortunately victim to and innocent people in the middle-east are dying, because terrorists are using them as shields, using child and woman soldiers e.t.c A wrong deed, doesn't justify you to create atrocities and from what I understand, JP is trying to lighten that.

Polycosm posted...

Peterson says that Hitler amplified the dark desires of the mob. That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Heaven forbid anyone try to understand the rise of Nazism with any semblance of nuance though. Of course they were evil bastards but that doesn't suffice as a historical explanation.

This. Some of you people get so emotional about everything that you can't even think straight.

The history here isn't correct, though: Hitler was a virulent anti-Semite before his public speeches. Before even the Treaty of Versailles.
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Would someone like to explain how what they were doing was "normal and logical"? I'm usually able to figure out how these types are thinking, but I'm lost on this one.
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A piece of shit was good at speaking and he and his piece of shit friends took over the country and didn't let go.

The same people wanting us to understand how Nazi Germany happened roll their eyes any time anyone even points to a Trump idea as fascist-like (in the right circumstances) and scream about Antifa being animals so forgive me for not believing that they want an honest and deep look into the darkness of the human condition.

A Republican President could actually be Hitler and certain people would be scoffing at the notion all the way into the gas chambers.
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The US propaganda film for soliders in WWII, "Why We Fight" actually contextualizes quite a bit despite being a propaganda film. I actually think context can help strengthen your narrative. That said JP is just awful whether he is claiming to be a scientist or a philosopher. If he is a scientist he is making far reaching claims the evidence doesn't support as strongly as he claims, sand sometimes he makes logical leaps that are just not acceptable to do in science. As a philosopher he employs a lot of logical phallacies in his arguments, so it's just hard to think highly of him either way.
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Is this yet another case of him being taken out of context in bad faith?
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What if he's saying it was logical to the Nazis at the time and is trying to dissect it for further understanding so that it doesn't happen again.

Yknow cus if you don't learn from history channel your gonna repeat history channel and all that
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pogo_rabid posted...

Is this yet another case of him being taken out of context in bad faith?

imagine defending JP lmfao

sorry life you have buddy
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I once had a manager who unapologetically loved Jordan Peterson. He was a sexist racist dipshit, but not as much of a sexist racist dipshit as Jordan Peterson. A fake-smart dude for stupid people who think theyre smart because they found a way to logically justify projections of their own failures.

ssjevot posted...

phallacies

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Solid Sonic posted...

Something that I never like discussing about Nazi Germany is trying to contextualize their society at the time, even from a neutral standpoint. Its like not immediately taking the side of they are to be demonized like the horrible monsters they are means youre secretly siding with them.

I think the main problem is that no matter how dire circumstances were in post-WW1 Germany, it's understandable that people could be swept up in a negative ideology that promised prosperity and gave people an enemy, but there's nothing "logical" about it. There are connotations to the words some people use when contextualizing their society that try to make the situation sound reasoned or something like that.
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CloneTheHero posted...

i mean hes not wrong... look at isis and how they destabilized that region of the world. when you go through hell you usually turn into the devil, thats what peterson is trying to say here. hes not an apologist, hes explaining it.

and if anyone spoke about ISIS they way he did about the Nazis, hed be laughed out of the room.
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Remember when Michael Jordan had the hitler stache? tf was he thinking...
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He was probably referencing that book that explains how ordinary police officers were gradually influenced by Nazis over the course of WW2.
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Ah but I was told Peterson was a centrist and not an alt-right fucknut
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