Current Events > fianlly watched goblin slayer, lmao this is what get people's panties in a knot?

(+) Yeah! (+)

80/80
first of all, i agree any form of sexual assault towards any gender and age are bad and should not be portrayed as something positive in media.

now to the argument, about the rape scene in goblin slayer and why it is not really a problem in my opinion:

1. first of all, i totally believe there is no attempt from the author, and the anime studio who did the adaptation to portray sexual violence as a positive thing. it is, in fact quite the reverse. first of all, rape is a part of violence, war. it is has been, is and will always be a part of human lives as long there are still conflict. there are alot of unimaginable atrocities committed in burst of lack of human reasoning. i think to exclusively single out a single atrocities within many, because it is targeted to specific demographic is wrong. there are sure levels of inhumanity someone can commit, and violent sexual assault is one of the worst, but the point is excluding any of them in how we shape our stories and fiction is wrong just because it might be offensive to some people. brushing off the darker side of life and humanity is as much a problem as glorifying it. the best thing you can do is put a responsible warnings for people who are actually prone to distress regarding the topic.

2. there is certainly some biases in affecting the outrage, from what and to what we can speculate, but in the context of sexual assault for women, there are alot more example of fiction where the authors are degrading women way way more than portraying one of them fall to the victim of a monstrous menace and their leader's inability to well, lead. some ecchi manga or anime for example, portray this male dominance over damsels way way worse and glorifying (albeit not exactly "violent") manner, and i think those are disgusting.

3. the rape in the context of goblin slayer is mainly to establish 2 things: first what kind of menace the goblins are that ties deeply to the main character's motivation. second: it is simply a natural flow of action and consequences within the world, in such setting where the amount of hubris determine how quickly and how horrible you fall. there is literally no hint of the studio/author/mangaka to portray sexual assault is an achievement, a positive sort of thing in any manner. lack of depth? yes. but are sup-par writing a crime? no. there is the intention (which goblin slayer not guilty of in the context) and there is the execution (which some people point out, lacking comprated to the light novel like the characterization of the adventurers, etc) but in no way i feel it as exploitative, degrading or malicious in any way.

tl;dr whiny babies should just shut the fuck up.
---

All anime is terrible.
---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVv4TJus-1c" data-time="

This video sums up thoughts I had weeks ago on this.

tl;dw, the scene was not nearly as fetishized nor exploitative in the original light novel. The manga artist and anime studio made it that way, totally ruining the intent of it.

If Goblin Slayer is great beyond that opening act, then good for it. Still not interested.
---

CyricZ posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVv4TJus-1c" data-time="

This video sums up thoughts I had weeks ago on this.

tl;dw, the scene was not nearly as fetishized nor exploitative in the original light novel. The manga artist and anime studio made it that way, totally ruining the intent of it.

If Goblin Slayer is great beyond that opening act, then good for it. Still not interested.

this is the video that made me want to watch it and give my opinion tbh. i like jeff, and i ahve relied him on some review, despite the difference in opinion, i still respect his work and watch his videos.

around midway, he kept pointing that it is exploitative because of the sup-par execution and not as depth in character writing (especially to the adventurers) and other little things. while i agree, that the example in psycho-pass carry alot more weigh into the worldbuilding and the tone of the world, there is still no malicious intent from whover side to portray sexual assault towards women are something to be cheered on. like okay, both are agree rape is bad, but they dont do a good job portraying it.

and once again, is bad a writing a crime? nope, it isn't. is it bad in quality? yes. is it exploitative? not, at least to some degree. does it use edgy elements as bait to lure people into it and intentionally spark controversy? arguably. is it the intention to frame rape as a positive thing? absolutely not.

i think this wouldn't even be an issue if the complaints are "goblin slayer's first episode is sup-par! it was totally meh" but the crowd that complains are just like "oh yeah rape are bad, m'kay, any portrayal in fiction and media are bad m'kay. i dont care about the reason or intention m'kay."

not that jeff himself point out that, he is more of the earlier camp of critique, but i still think he exagerated the real crime of the anime: being mediocre.
---

kinda
---

>posting multiple paragraphs about anime

yikes
---

nevertheless, i could agree with the argument how they portray the sexual violence was sup-par, but i do enjoy the tactics goblin slayer employ and the depth of his knowledge come to play when extinguishing the lair. like it is more a pen and paper way instead of videogame way of dungeoning. i think i will continue watch.
---

Its an okay anime

vocedelmorte posted...

Its an okay anime

Yeah, tensei datara slime is alot better, similar genre.

But i do want to continue watching, i enjoy the pnp esque goblin killings. Feels like the author plays alot of dnd and get what kind of fight happens in dnd instead of videogame rpgs.
---

wtf, reborn slime and goblin slayer definitely a different genre.
they both has fantasy world setting, but that's it.
---

apolloooo posted...

is it exploitative? not, at least to some degree. does it use edgy elements as bait to lure people into it and intentionally spark controversy? arguably.

wh

these are the same question
---

Ricemills posted...

wtf, reborn slime and goblin slayer definitely a different genre.
they both has fantasy world setting, but that's it.

Yeaj know, but the overall writing is just better.

In term of edge tho goblin slayer is still discouny berserk
---

prettyprincess posted...

apolloooo posted...

is it exploitative? not, at least to some degree. does it use edgy elements as bait to lure people into it and intentionally spark controversy? arguably.

wh

these are the same question

This, dude.
---

dave_is_slick posted...

prettyprincess posted...

apolloooo posted...

is it exploitative? not, at least to some degree. does it use edgy elements as bait to lure people into it and intentionally spark controversy? arguably.

wh

these are the same question

This, dude.

"At least to some degree" i dont feel it exploitative and malicious towards women particularly, kinda lacking in taste, yes, but within the context of exploitative towards female, shit like whatever is it called the anime/game with the guy impregnatimg multiple women to built a army whatever, it is just worse, and multitudes of ecchi trash in anime that i genuinely degrading toward women.
---

CyricZ posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVv4TJus-1c" data-time="

This video sums up thoughts I had weeks ago on this.

tl;dw, the scene was not nearly as fetishized nor exploitative in the original light novel. The manga artist and anime studio made it that way, totally ruining the intent of it.

If Goblin Slayer is great beyond that opening act, then good for it. Still not interested.

So one scene turned you off from the entire anime?
Weak.
---

apolloooo posted...

Ricemills posted...

wtf, reborn slime and goblin slayer definitely a different genre.
they both has fantasy world setting, but that's it.

Yeaj know, but the overall writing is just better.

In term of edge tho goblin slayer is still discouny berserk

eh, i wouldn't call reborn slime has a better writing, it's just more fun. kinda like harvest moon vs dark souls kind of fun.

anyways, one of the source of the fuss about GS is that crunchyroll put a pg-13 on the 1st episode, and people wasn't expecting the edge.

and calling it a "discount berserk" is not fair imo, since it was not trying to become like berserk.
---

AlephZero posted...

>posting multiple paragraphs about anime

yikes

You can analyze or discuss anything...anime, live action, plays, games, songs, books.

If youre turned off from an entire form of storytelling thats the only real yikes here tbh.
---

apolloooo posted...

is bad a writing a crime? nope, it isn't.

No one's asking the creators be locked up, only it made clear that what they did in this case is, in Geoff's words, "repugnant".

You can call it "sup-par" all you want, but at the end of the day, all you're saying is that it didn't bother you as much. There's no crime in that, but if you're trying to tell "whiny babies" to shut up, it's pretty clear that you're ultimately accepting of this method of storytelling.

I am personally vehemently against fetishizing sexual violence in fiction. I realize it's a hell of a line to have to draw, but the moment you, as a media, try to tell me there's something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.
---

From my understanding (I haven't watched or read the series), a big part of the complaints was that the show was marked by Crunchyroll as being kid friendly.

CyricZ posted...

something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.

Which GS did nothing of any sort.
---

apolloooo posted...

CyricZ posted...

something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.

Which GS did nothing of any sort.

I'm starting to believe you didn't actually watch Geoff's video.
---

CyricZ posted...

apolloooo posted...

CyricZ posted...

something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.

Which GS did nothing of any sort.

I'm starting to believe you didn't actually watch Geoff's video.

I watch it halfway, and since i don have the context cos i havent watched the anime i stopped, bug based on the first half at least, i do think he is overreacted and i disagree with him in some point and I honestly think goblin slayer genuine dont try to portray sex as a positive thing.
---

Why do you keep saying sup-par

goblin slayer genuine dont try to portray sex as a positive thing.

You meant to say rape, cause sex is positive thing

vocedelmorte posted...

goblin slayer genuine dont try to portray sex as a positive thing.

You meant to say rape, cause sex is positive thing

Yes
---

Entered expecting Cyric.

I'm so sorry, TC...
---

apolloooo posted...

I watch it halfway

Watch it the rest of the way. He itemizes how the scene of Fighter getting raped is fetishized.
---

CyricZ posted...

apolloooo posted...

I watch it halfway

Watch it the rest of the way. He itemizes how the scene of Fighter getting raped is fetishized.

I think i would now i actually watched the thing.
---

CyricZ posted...

I am personally vehemently against fetishizing sexual violence in fiction. I realize it's a hell of a line to have to draw, but the moment you, as a media, try to tell me there's something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.

So why isn't murder or torture off limits to you?
---

Hell what about children fighting and killing in anime?
---

Razuberii posted...

CyricZ posted...

I am personally vehemently against fetishizing sexual violence in fiction. I realize it's a hell of a line to have to draw, but the moment you, as a media, try to tell me there's something sexy to be found in a rape scene, you've crossed a line for me.

So why isn't murder or torture off limits to you?

Uh, if you need me to say "I also don't want murder or torture to be sexy", I can say that too if it will help you.

I also don't want murder or torture to be sexy.
---

Lonestar2000 posted...

All anime is terrible.

---