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Twin3Turbo 11/05/18 12:40:23 PM #52:	Learning posted... It's about as plausible as fender's anecdote about meeting a racist dude who despised Hispanics yet went out of his way to help some whose car broke down in the middle of the road Something that I noticed about fender, regardless of what he is arguing about, he always has his own anecdote that applies to him There was a topic about older men only going after 18-21 year olds being creepy, fender comes in and says his grandma and grandpa started dating in that age range (and his grandpa being like 10 years older than her) Topic about people using the term "monkeying it up", fender comes in and claims that he personally has used this term (despite "monkeying it up" not really being all that common at all, especially in comparison to "monkeying around") And then there's this topic and many more examples. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:911853717] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Learning posted...</cite> <quote>It's about as plausible as fender's anecdote about meeting a racist dude who despised Hispanics yet went out of his way to help some whose car broke down in the middle of the road</quote> Something that I noticed about fender, regardless of what he is arguing about, he always has his own anecdote that applies to him There was a topic about older men only going after 18-21 year olds being creepy, fender comes in and says his grandma and grandpa started dating in that age range (and his grandpa being like 10 years older than her) Topic about people using the term "monkeying it up", fender comes in and claims that he personally has used this term (despite "monkeying it up" not really being all that common at all, especially in comparison to "monkeying around") And then there's this topic and many more examples.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 11/05/18 12:46:17 PM #53:	pretty much everyone i knew grew up with guns. you were taught as young as you could comprehend about them to limit any curiosity about them which leads to accidents. if you wanted to see it, you were shown it, shown how and how not to hold it and could handle it (unloaded and supervised obviously). if you wanted to shoot it you were taken out to shoot it supervised. this was when i was 6 years old. when i was 11 i had 3 of my own guns that were in reach because i wasnt a little psycho and was shown i could be trusted with them. 11 is old enough to know the dangers of the situation. if youre going to have guns around you need to take away the mysticism of them which involves them always being around. thats not to say you should just leave shit laying around when kids are present (especially when kids have other kids hanging around), but they cant be hidden way and out of sight out of mind either which also leads to bad shit possibly happening. that said if this kid was showing signs of violent or unpredictable behavior thats cause to keep firearms away from them and actually be "responsible" (which varies from situation to situation). <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:911854045] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>pretty much everyone i knew grew up with guns. you were taught as young as you could comprehend about them to limit any curiosity about them which leads to accidents. if you wanted to see it, you were shown it, shown how and how not to hold it and could handle it (unloaded and supervised obviously). if you wanted to shoot it you were taken out to shoot it supervised. this was when i was 6 years old. when i was 11 i had 3 of my own guns that were in reach because i wasnt a little psycho and was shown i could be trusted with them. 11 is old enough to know the dangers of the situation. if youre going to have guns around you need to take away the mysticism of them which involves them always being around. thats not to say you should just leave shit laying around when kids are present (especially when kids have other kids hanging around), but they cant be hidden way and out of sight out of mind either which also leads to bad shit possibly happening. that said if this kid was showing signs of violent or unpredictable behavior thats cause to keep firearms away from them and actually be "responsible" (which varies from situation to situation).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EdgeMaster 11/05/18 1:08:30 PM #56:	Learning posted... fenderbender321 posted... When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once. This happened LOL! How would that not be in the realm of possibilitys? Was literally the same exact way for me growing up. Tends to happen when your family is law enforcement. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:911855210] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Learning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.</quote> This happened</quote> LOL! How would that not be in the realm of possibilitys? Was literally the same exact way for me growing up. Tends to happen when your family is law enforcement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 11/05/18 1:09:35 PM #58:	EdgeMaster posted... Learning posted... fenderbender321 posted... When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once. This happened LOL! How would that not be in the realm of possibilitys? Was literally the same exact way for me growing up. Tends to happen when your family is law enforcement. Well if a guy called Edge Master said it happened then it must have happened. /s --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:911855272] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdgeMaster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Learning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.</quote> This happened</quote> LOL! How would that not be in the realm of possibilitys? Was literally the same exact way for me growing up. Tends to happen when your family is law enforcement.</quote> Well if a guy called Edge Master said it happened then it must have happened. /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/05/18 1:13:43 PM #59:	Conflict posted... It's almost like my disbelief applied to the poster (who has a history of making up bizarre anecdotes) rather than to the anecdote itself Regardless of his anecdote, which really shouldn't have any bearing of the validity of the position and arguments either way, a lot of people do raise their kids like that without issue. --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:911855499] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like my disbelief applied to the poster (who has a history of making up bizarre anecdotes) rather than to the anecdote itself </quote> Regardless of his anecdote, which really shouldn't have any bearing of the validity of the position and arguments either way, a lot of people do raise their kids like that without issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 11/05/18 1:27:25 PM #60:	Completely idiotic to allow kids free access to firearms, considering how much mental illness develops around puberty. <cite>Raikuro posted [p:911856218] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>Completely idiotic to allow kids free access to firearms, considering how much mental illness develops around puberty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 11/05/18 1:34:06 PM #61:	Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:911856567] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/05/18 1:36:09 PM #62:	scorpion41 posted... Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:911856679] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 11/05/18 1:40:43 PM #63:	Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns. What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:911856915] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns.</quote> What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/05/18 1:43:05 PM #64:	scorpion41 posted... Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns. What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns. I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:911857047] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns.</quote> What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns.</quote> I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 11/05/18 1:47:06 PM #66:	Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns. What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns. I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation. Because its the wrong conversation. You have millions of households with firearms that arent under lock and key, yet these types of incidents are very rare. But, incidents of violent outbursts by school aged adolescents are on the rise, with kids assaulting each other and adults. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:911857253] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns.</quote> What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns.</quote> I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation.</quote> Because its the wrong conversation. You have millions of households with firearms that arent under lock and key, yet these types of incidents are very rare. But, incidents of violent outbursts by school aged adolescents are on the rise, with kids assaulting each other and adults.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Learning 11/05/18 1:51:28 PM #67:	fenderbender321 posted... It is very common for households that have guns in it to have parents teach their kids where the guns are, how to use them, the dangers of them, etc. And as a result, the overwhelming vast majority of those households get by without any gun-related incidents. Citation needed --- I'm feeling stoned and alone like a heretic And I'm ready to meet my maker <cite>Learning posted [p:911857507] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>It is very common for households that have guns in it to have parents teach their kids where the guns are, how to use them, the dangers of them, etc. And as a result, the overwhelming vast majority of those households get by without any gun-related incidents.</quote> Citation needed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 11/05/18 1:53:14 PM #69:	scorpion41 posted... Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Tmaster148 posted... scorpion41 posted... Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess... He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns. What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns. I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation. Because its the wrong conversation. You have millions of households with firearms that arent under lock and key, yet these types of incidents are very rare. But, incidents of violent outbursts by school aged adolescents are on the rise, with kids assaulting each other and adults. I don't get what your problem is here. You recognize that kids are hurting each other and themselves yet you have an issue with people saying that maybe we shouldn't also be leaving guns out for them to grab. I think people should be punished if their kid uses their gun and harms others or themselves. But if someone leaves their gun out and nothing happens I'm not going to ask they get punished for that. I don't think they should be doing that tho. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:911857585] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait...is this really a discussion about guns? Not the fact that a kid killed his grandmother and himself over something really trivial? Only on CE I guess...</quote> He did kill his grandmother with a gun. But I'm frankly more baffled by the people who have an issue with people thinking children shouldn't allowed to have unsupervised access to guns.</quote> What about the 15 year old that strangled his mom over something trivial as well? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/volusia-florida-teen-killed-mother-arguing-over-bad-grade-police/ Kids mental states are the issue, not guns.</quote> I don't think anyone is blaming the gun here. Just arguing about whether or not a kid should be allowed access to a kid without supervision. It's weird you are trying to deflect from the conversation.</quote> Because its the wrong conversation. You have millions of households with firearms that arent under lock and key, yet these types of incidents are very rare. But, incidents of violent outbursts by school aged adolescents are on the rise, with kids assaulting each other and adults.</quote> I don't get what your problem is here. You recognize that kids are hurting each other and themselves yet you have an issue with people saying that maybe we shouldn't also be leaving guns out for them to grab. I think people should be punished if their kid uses their gun and harms others or themselves. But if someone leaves their gun out and nothing happens I'm not going to ask they get punished for that. I don't think they should be doing that tho.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Learning 11/05/18 2:13:45 PM #72:	fenderbender321 posted... Learning posted... fenderbender321 posted... It is very common for households that have guns in it to have parents teach their kids where the guns are, how to use them, the dangers of them, etc. And as a result, the overwhelming vast majority of those households get by without any gun-related incidents. Citation needed I could also say that it's very common for parents to try to get their children to eat vegetables, too, and I wouldn't have a citation for that either because no independent science agency has ever done a wide-scale study on such a matter. So would you disagree with that statement then as well? You make the claim, back it up with evidence. Don't deflect with some "do you need a citation on the sky being blue too?" bullshit --- I'm feeling stoned and alone like a heretic And I'm ready to meet my maker <cite>Learning posted [p:911858733] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Learning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>It is very common for households that have guns in it to have parents teach their kids where the guns are, how to use them, the dangers of them, etc. And as a result, the overwhelming vast majority of those households get by without any gun-related incidents.</quote> Citation needed</quote> I could also say that it's very common for parents to try to get their children to eat vegetables, too, and I wouldn't have a citation for that either because no independent science agency has ever done a wide-scale study on such a matter. So would you disagree with that statement then as well?</quote> You make the claim, back it up with evidence. Don't deflect with some "do you need a citation on the sky being blue too?" bullshit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 11/05/18 3:00:52 PM #73:	DarkRoast posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Another victim of the GTA video game series. When will they learn?! It's RDR now lmao I got modded for that one. Great priorities gamefaqs. "He's using sarcasm to mock those that attack the industry our site is built on, a position basically no one on this site holds? Screw you AJ! You can't troll Jack Thompson!" --- It's okay to be white. <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:911861406] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Another victim of the GTA video game series. When will they learn?!</quote> It's RDR now</quote> lmao I got modded for that one. Great priorities gamefaqs. "He's using sarcasm to mock those that attack the industry our site is built on, a position basically no one on this site holds? Screw you AJ! You can't troll Jack Thompson!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/05/18 3:11:48 PM #74:	Was the room so dirty that he thought there was no other way to handle the situation? <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:911862051] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>Was the room so dirty that he thought there was no other way to handle the situation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 11/05/18 3:21:25 PM #75:	SaithSayer posted... Was the room so dirty that he thought there was no other way to handle the situation? LMAO! My god that's terrible. Great, but terrible. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:911862592] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote>Was the room so dirty that he thought there was no other way to handle the situation?</quote> LMAO! My god that's terrible. Great, but terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 11/05/18 3:26:18 PM #76:	Keep your guns locked and secured at all times when children are aboot --- \|)\|_ \|_\_/\|)\|_\|)\| - RE expert44 \|\\|__ \|__/\\| \|__\|\_\| This is RE expert44 (b^.^b)Have a nice day... <cite>Middle hope posted [p:911862929] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>Keep your guns locked and secured at all times when children are aboot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 11/05/18 4:44:53 PM #79:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Most 11 year olds are capable of proper firearm safety . . Yeah I'm sure that was the problem here the 11 year old didn't understand proper firearm safety --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:911867756] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Most 11 year olds are capable of proper firearm safety . . </quote> Yeah I'm sure that was the problem here the 11 year old didn't understand proper firearm safety</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 11/06/18 9:54:30 AM #80:	fenderbender321 posted... Ruvan22 posted... frAsAnIndependent posted... And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun. And we've seen many more stories where kids younger than 11 have played around with a gun and shot themselves/friends/family members. Let's try not to let news stories in the media dictate our understanding of how daily life goes about in the vast majority of households that have both children living there and accessible guns. When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once. I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:911909090] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>fr<cite>AsAnIndependent posted...</cite> <quote>And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun.</quote> And we've seen many more stories where kids younger than 11 have played around with a gun and shot themselves/friends/family members.</quote> Let's try not to let news stories in the media dictate our understanding of how daily life goes about in the vast majority of households that have both children living there and accessible guns. When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.</quote> I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X 11/06/18 10:07:49 AM #81:	I'm hearing confirmation that the shooter was actually a 40 year old ceman. --- "Think about it, if you let insecure ego maniac play god then fake human brain he builds will be brain of insecure little egomaniac. <cite>Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted [p:911909613] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote>I'm hearing confirmation that the shooter was actually a 40 year old ceman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsAnIndependent 11/06/18 10:30:28 AM #82:	Ruvan22 posted... I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation? --- Biased to truth and justice <cite>AsAnIndependent posted [p:911910628] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. </quote> Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 11/06/18 10:32:55 AM #83:	Thatuser posted... Tragic. I'm assuming the gun belonged to the grandparents- if that's the case, they share some blame as it was accessible to this kid. Gun owners need to take responsibility for how they store and secure their weapons. edgy <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:911910762] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thatuser posted...</cite> <quote>Tragic. I'm assuming the gun belonged to the grandparents- if that's the case, they share some blame as it was accessible to this kid. Gun owners need to take responsibility for how they store and secure their weapons.</quote> edgy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 11/07/18 12:59:47 AM #84:	AsAnIndependent posted... Ruvan22 posted... I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation? Again, I wasn't disputing that they can help, but pointing out they can also hurt/make things worse (countless stories of kids playing w/ guns). In this situation? I don't know details of the family's habits, but if there wasn't a gun in the household the 11 year old may not have been lethal...(hitting or even stabbing instead). <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:911960719] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>AsAnIndependent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. </quote> Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation?</quote> Again, I wasn't disputing that they can help, but pointing out they can also hurt/make things worse (countless stories of kids playing w/ guns). In this situation? I don't know details of the family's habits, but if there wasn't a gun in the household the 11 year old may not have been lethal...(hitting or even stabbing instead).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 11/07/18 7:20:56 AM #85:	fenderbender321 posted... Raikuro posted... Completely idiotic to allow kids free access to firearms, considering how much mental illness develops around puberty. Define "allow". I mean, in my house, it was definitely against the rules for me or my siblings to go grab one of my parents' guns. We'd have gotten in trouble for sure. So they didn't "allow" us handle the guns in that regard. However, we could have accessed them if we really wanted to. We could have gotten the guns out of the cases, loaded them, and fired them. Hell, even if they were locked up, all we'd need to do is find the key. Where's the key? Obviously in the house somewhere. Or on my parents' key chain. Not hard to find and obtain a key at all if a kid is determined. That still allows access to firearms. Whether or not the kid would get a spanking afterward is irrelevant if they already shot up their family. <cite>Raikuro posted [p:911970733] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Raikuro posted...</cite> <quote>Completely idiotic to allow kids free access to firearms, considering how much mental illness develops around puberty.</quote> Define "allow". I mean, in my house, it was definitely against the rules for me or my siblings to go grab one of my parents' guns. We'd have gotten in trouble for sure. So they didn't "allow" us handle the guns in that regard. However, we could have accessed them if we really wanted to. We could have gotten the guns out of the cases, loaded them, and fired them. Hell, even if they were locked up, all we'd need to do is find the key. Where's the key? Obviously in the house somewhere. Or on my parents' key chain. Not hard to find and obtain a key at all if a kid is determined.</quote> That still allows access to firearms. Whether or not the kid would get a spanking afterward is irrelevant if they already shot up their family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 11/08/18 9:35:29 PM #86:	Ruvan22 posted... AsAnIndependent posted... Ruvan22 posted... I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation? Again, I wasn't disputing that they can help, but pointing out they can also hurt/make things worse (countless stories of kids playing w/ guns). In this situation? I don't know details of the family's habits, but if there wasn't a gun in the household the 11 year old may not have been lethal...(hitting or even stabbing instead). He's a gono my man --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:912079719] in 11 year ol... [t:77172571]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AsAnIndependent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't "letting news stories dictate understanding..", I was responding to AsAnIndependent's statement about guns helping youth prevent violence. </quote> Guns can help https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-boy-shoots-intruder-20160501-story.html what would you have liked to happen in this situation?</quote> Again, I wasn't disputing that they can help, but pointing out they can also hurt/make things worse (countless stories of kids playing w/ guns). In this situation? I don't know details of the family's habits, but if there wasn't a gun in the household the 11 year old may not have been lethal...(hitting or even stabbing instead).</quote> He's a gono my man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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