Current Events > The Cop who gunned down Tamir Rice just got a new job as an officer.

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ultimate reaver 10/08/18 1:33:58 AM #51:	DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:910155012] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amatsukaze 10/08/18 1:44:34 AM #52:	Glad he's back on the force. --- http://tinyurl.com/zzyult6 - http://tinyurl.com/zwaaeta - https://tinyurl.com/ycqc4omf - http://tinyurl.com/h8j8vrd - http://tinyurl.com/j4lyk7j - EMM///REEE <cite>Amatsukaze posted [p:910155290] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Glad he's back on the force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 2:05:03 AM #53:	codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. Why would anyone ever want to be a cop? You could never shoot anyone and treat every single person you interact with fairly and you'd still get treated like you're the devil. It's really reached the point where all cops might as well just go full Vic Mackey. If everyone is going to think you're corrupt and assume the worst about you anyways, you might as well be corrupt and benefit from said corruption. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910155868] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> Why would anyone ever want to be a cop? You could never shoot anyone and treat every single person you interact with fairly and you'd still get treated like you're the devil. It's really reached the point where all cops might as well just go full Vic Mackey. If everyone is going to think you're corrupt and assume the worst about you anyways, you might as well be corrupt and benefit from said corruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shinobi120 10/08/18 4:57:06 AM #54:	Kineth posted... Look at that, we have some pieces of shit defending coldblooded murder. What do you expect? Most people in America have lost their morals, especially since Trump had been elected. <cite>Shinobi120 posted [p:910159292] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Look at that, we have some pieces of shit defending coldblooded murder.</quote> What do you expect? Most people in America have lost their morals, especially since Trump had been elected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Great_Juan 10/08/18 5:16:39 AM #55:	DarkTransient posted... "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? Ah yes there are so many of those <cite>The_Great_Juan posted [p:910159580] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>"BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases?</quote> Ah yes there are so many of those</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 10/08/18 5:17:37 AM #56:	spudger posted... cjsdowg posted... someone's got to give you a second chance interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do? Shut the fuck up. This is a terrible post. --- "honestly the worst thing about Shaun King is how pro-cop he is" - averagejoel <cite>thelovefist posted [p:910159588] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>someone's got to give you a second chance</quote> interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do?</quote> Shut the fuck up. This is a terrible post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 10/08/18 5:21:08 AM #57:	Darkprince clearly never saw the video. Or doesnt want to watch it because it might make bacon jerking harder to do (or easier if he likes seeing little black kids get shot). --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:910159644] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Darkprince clearly never saw the video. Or doesnt want to watch it because it might make bacon jerking harder to do (or easier if he likes seeing little black kids get shot).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marmitecashews 10/08/18 5:50:18 AM #58:	ultimate reaver posted... DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything @darkprince45 --- Caution: A Boring British Centrist has arrived. http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Underground <cite>Marmitecashews posted [p:910160103] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything</quote> @darkprince45</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill2000 10/08/18 6:03:50 AM #59:	codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? --- CE's source of sage-ly advice <cite>TheRealDill2000 posted [p:910160351] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/08/18 10:53:57 AM #60:	ultimate reaver posted... DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything To be fair to the cop: The police did not tell him that the gun was probably fake. The person making the call didn't say that until after the cops had been dispatched and the dispatcher didn't update them So the cops thought it was a real gun and when they yelled at the kid, the kid pulled it out. That's why the cops got off. It was deemed poor communication rather than the cop fucking up Pointing out the gun was fake to discredit the cop is dishonest as fuck. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910168251] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything</quote> To be fair to the cop: The police did not tell him that the gun was probably fake. The person making the call didn't say that until after the cops had been dispatched and the dispatcher didn't update them So the cops thought it was a real gun and when they yelled at the kid, the kid pulled it out. That's why the cops got off. It was deemed poor communication rather than the cop fucking up Pointing out the gun was fake to discredit the cop is dishonest as fuck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 10/08/18 11:16:15 AM #61:	darkprince45 posted... I like how I'm just being named called instead of anyone actually going after the points I made. With all those points being made it articulates deadly force A couple of things about this case. Without a doubt, regardless of whether the gun was fake or not or whether the cops were told that it might be fake, the cops should assume it's real until otherwise. I have no problem with them treating it as such until they have confirmation. The thing is, if you look at the video, the cops basically did a drive by shooting on this kid. They rolled right up to him and shot him within seconds. It's very difficult to believe that they were shouting for him to show his hands, or if they were, that he had the proper time to register that information or what was going on at all actually. There have been other cases like this, I can recall a similar case around the same time as this one that happened in San Diego.You know what the cops did? They didn't stupidly roll up on him, immediately escalating the situation.They approached him from a distance and issued commands. They gave him an opportunity to do the right thing instead of turning up the dial on the situation. That guy got taken in alive. That approach would have made 1000x more sense in this scenario than the drive by approach. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:910169256] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkprince45 posted...</cite> <quote>I like how I'm just being named called instead of anyone actually going after the points I made. With all those points being made it articulates deadly force</quote> A couple of things about this case. Without a doubt, regardless of whether the gun was fake or not or whether the cops were told that it might be fake, the cops should assume it's real until otherwise. I have no problem with them treating it as such until they have confirmation. The thing is, if you look at the video, the cops basically did a drive by shooting on this kid. They rolled right up to him and shot him within seconds. It's very difficult to believe that they were shouting for him to show his hands, or if they were, that he had the proper time to register that information or what was going on at all actually. There have been other cases like this, I can recall a similar case around the same time as this one that happened in San Diego.You know what the cops did? They didn't stupidly roll up on him, immediately escalating the situation.They approached him from a distance and issued commands. They gave him an opportunity to do the right thing instead of turning up the dial on the situation. That guy got taken in alive. That approach would have made 1000x more sense in this scenario than the drive by approach.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/08/18 11:17:58 AM #62:	DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. they said i kid had a gun, they came. he had a toy gun in his hand. they drove up right up to him, jumped out of the car and shot him <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:910169328] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> they said i kid had a gun, they came. he had a toy gun in his hand. they drove up right up to him, jumped out of the car and shot him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 1:48:03 PM #63:	Fam_Fam posted... DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. they said i kid had a gun, they came. he had a toy gun in his hand. they drove up right up to him, jumped out of the car and shot him Not quite. He had the gun in his waistband and when the cop pulled up he reached to take it out. The cop, being told it was a gun and seeing he was going to draw it, shot him. It was a tragedy but it really wasn't like cop was looking to kill a child. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910176845] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> they said i kid had a gun, they came. he had a toy gun in his hand. they drove up right up to him, jumped out of the car and shot him</quote> Not quite. He had the gun in his waistband and when the cop pulled up he reached to take it out. The cop, being told it was a gun and seeing he was going to draw it, shot him. It was a tragedy but it really wasn't like cop was looking to kill a child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Killmonger 10/08/18 1:54:23 PM #64:	Pieces of shit defending a piece of shit. <cite>Killmonger posted [p:910177194] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Pieces of shit defending a piece of shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fony 10/08/18 2:10:44 PM #65:	codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. More 12 year olds out there, his work isn't done. --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. <cite>Fony posted [p:910178057] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> More 12 year olds out there, his work isn't done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwordMaster13X 10/08/18 2:22:45 PM #66:	TheRealDill2000 posted... codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old? --- Check out my funny youtube channel I guess... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh4BPUqx-fUnHjHVgiB-Kbw <cite>SwordMaster13X posted [p:910178699] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 10/08/18 2:24:52 PM #67:	Shame on TC using a tragic incident to slander and push partisan propaganda. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:910178815] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Shame on TC using a tragic incident to slander and push partisan propaganda. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 2:39:55 PM #68:	SwordMaster13X posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old? You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910179682] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>SwordMaster13X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old?</quote> You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_of_BeefDip 10/08/18 2:45:35 PM #69:	ultimate reaver posted... DarkTransient posted... Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem. Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything Guy should be in prison, and counting his lucky stars with that alone that he isn't . Instead he is rewarded with a badge and a gun. There needs to be way more accountability for people like him, because he, and those who cover and protect people like him, they do nothing but give cops as a whole a bad image. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1343-unofficial-nintendo-switch-board My board for discussion of the NS, and other Nintendo related subjects. <cite>Lord_of_BeefDip posted [p:910179994] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>Not overly familiar with the specific case, was it a "this is actually 100% unjustified" case like Philandro Castile, or a "BLM's outraged but later evidence showed it was justified" case like... well, most big-name cases? If it's the former then fuck that he shouldn't ever have the job again, but if it was the latter then no problem.</quote> Police get a call about a kid that keeps "pointing a gun at people," and that "the gun is probably fake." Cops pull up at high speeds and find a little kid with an airsoft gun without the orange cap, get out of the car and blow him away when he pulls it out of his pants. The entire situation lasted less than five seconds. The car didn't even stop before the kid got dropped. The officers claim that they shouted about him showing his hands multiple times, but no witnesses to the situation reported this happening and it happens so insanely fast that that wasn't even a possibility, really. The officer who killed Tamir had previously been in -another- police force in another town and had resigned because he feared he would be fired due to having a reputation for being unable to follow directions and having poor composure under pressure. He was also later fired for lying about his prior employment history from the Cleaveland PD which he was with when this happened. Both the driver of the cruiser and the shooter got off entirely free. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about the investigation into them and the way the prosecution treated expert witnesses called in to discuss the use of force to the point where they were described as something more approximating misnamed defense attournies for the cops. The parents later sued the city and settled. It's a case that's upheld as pretty absurd, especially considering the shooter's history. This is more like his -third- chance as a fuckup cop than anything</quote> Guy should be in prison, and counting his lucky stars with that alone that he isn't . Instead he is rewarded with a badge and a gun. There needs to be way more accountability for people like him, because he, and those who cover and protect people like him, they do nothing but give cops as a whole a bad image.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/08/18 2:47:43 PM #70:	Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:910180085] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/08/18 3:10:22 PM #71:	Grischnak posted... SwordMaster13X posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old? You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected. This reminds me of a quote I heard from a cop once "Lawyers have years to make decisions we had to make in seconds." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910181297] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SwordMaster13X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old?</quote> You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected.</quote> This reminds me of a quote I heard from a cop once "Lawyers have years to make decisions we had to make in seconds."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 10/08/18 3:14:38 PM #72:	you guys are all being too hard on the officer, who here among us has not gunned down an unarmed 12 year old boy before --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:910181537] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>you guys are all being too hard on the officer, who here among us has not gunned down an unarmed 12 year old boy before</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/08/18 3:21:54 PM #73:	VipaGTS posted... Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them. Reminder: he had already been fired from one department for being reckless and shooting Rice was his second chance --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910181911] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them.</quote> Reminder: he had already been fired from one department for being reckless and shooting Rice was his second chance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fony 10/08/18 3:27:19 PM #74:	King_Hellebuyck posted... VipaGTS posted... Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them. Reminder: he had already been fired from one department for being reckless and shooting Rice was his second chance --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. <cite>Fony posted [p:910182211] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Its clear from the video that they lied in the police report, handled the situation terribly, and shot instantly without assessing the situation at all. Dude is not fit to be a cop and he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to be one. there are many other jobs he can pursue...Cop shouldn't be one of them.</quote> Reminder: he had already been fired from one department for being reckless and shooting Rice was his second chance</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/08/18 3:29:08 PM #75:	Romulox28 posted... you guys are all being too hard on the officer, who here among us has not gunned down an unarmed 12 year old boy before Wut How was the kid "Unarmed" he was pulling out a gun Yeah it wasn't real but the cops didn't know that. Unarmed is super dishonest here --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910182288] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>you guys are all being too hard on the officer, who here among us has not gunned down an unarmed 12 year old boy before</quote> Wut How was the kid "Unarmed" he was pulling out a gun Yeah it wasn't real but the cops didn't know that. Unarmed is super dishonest here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 10/08/18 3:41:39 PM #76:	Grischnak posted... SwordMaster13X posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old? You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected. You're missing the problem here. It's very difficult in the video to see if the kid is actually reaching or not but I don't necessarily have a problem with them shooting him if he was indeed reaching. I understand that they only have a few moments to make a potentially life ending decision. The problem here however is that the cops created that situation to begin with. They did about the dumbest thing you can do in an potential active shooter situation by rolling right up on him, not scoping out the area/situation or approaching from a distance and making their presence known to him and asking him to cooperate. Especially at that time, when Tamir was just sitting there not doing anything. Are you really about to tell me that them aggressively rolling up on him was the best course of action? Especially when we've got plenty of evidence showing that approaching from a distance works better the majority of the time? Really? --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:910182907] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SwordMaster13X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old?</quote> You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected.</quote> You're missing the problem here. It's very difficult in the video to see if the kid is actually reaching or not but I don't necessarily have a problem with them shooting him if he was indeed reaching. I understand that they only have a few moments to make a potentially life ending decision. The problem here however is that the cops created that situation to begin with. They did about the dumbest thing you can do in an potential active shooter situation by rolling right up on him, not scoping out the area/situation or approaching from a distance and making their presence known to him and asking him to cooperate. Especially at that time, when Tamir was just sitting there not doing anything. Are you really about to tell me that them aggressively rolling up on him was the best course of action? Especially when we've got plenty of evidence showing that approaching from a distance works better the majority of the time? Really?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gp1829 10/08/18 3:44:58 PM #77:	Darth-Bastard posted... darkprince45 posted... Darth-Bastard posted... no what im saying is if people arent allowed second chances arent you saying we should just execute them? Who is saying any of this? I never said anything reference second chances What are you even talking about people are upset someone who commited a crime has a job A job as a cop not a job in general. <cite>gp1829 posted [p:910183097] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darth-Bastard posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkprince45 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darth-Bastard posted...</cite> <quote>no what im saying is if people arent allowed second chances arent you saying we should just execute them?</quote> Who is saying any of this? I never said anything reference second chances What are you even talking about</quote> people are upset someone who commited a crime has a job</quote> A job as a cop not a job in general.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/08/18 4:08:39 PM #78:	gp1829 posted... Darth-Bastard posted... darkprince45 posted... Darth-Bastard posted... no what im saying is if people arent allowed second chances arent you saying we should just execute them? Who is saying any of this? I never said anything reference second chances What are you even talking about people are upset someone who commited a crime has a job A job as a cop not a job in general. He knows that. But hes forcing himself to be dense about it because it goes against his side of the argument. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:910184394] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>gp1829 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darth-Bastard posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkprince45 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darth-Bastard posted...</cite> <quote>no what im saying is if people arent allowed second chances arent you saying we should just execute them?</quote> Who is saying any of this? I never said anything reference second chances What are you even talking about</quote> people are upset someone who commited a crime has a job</quote> A job as a cop not a job in general.</quote> He knows that. But hes forcing himself to be dense about it because it goes against his side of the argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FairyLeviathan 10/08/18 4:15:08 PM #79:	I really don't think he should be an officer again but my God some of the people ITT think he and his family should starve to death <cite>FairyLeviathan posted [p:910184747] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>I really don't think he should be an officer again but my God some of the people ITT think he and his family should starve to death</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 10/08/18 4:17:02 PM #80:	FairyLeviathan posted... I really don't think he should be an officer again but my God some of the people ITT think he and his family should starve to death shut the fuck up sage --- https://imgur.com/1EOFcjn https://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:910184852] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>FairyLeviathan posted...</cite> <quote>I really don't think he should be an officer again but my God some of the people ITT think he and his family should starve to death</quote> shut the fuck up sage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 10/08/18 4:17:59 PM #81:	Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them? --- \|)\|_ \|_\_/\|)\|_\|)\| - RE expert44 \|\\|__ \|__/\\| \|__\|\_\| This is RE expert44 (b^.^b)Have a nice day... <cite>Middle hope posted [p:910184911] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shinobi120 10/08/18 5:10:57 PM #82:	Middle hope posted... Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them? A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. <cite>Shinobi120 posted [p:910187914] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them?</quote> A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/08/18 5:11:52 PM #83:	Shinobi120 posted... Middle hope posted... Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them? A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. Sure but how is a cop supposed to know that? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910187965] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shinobi120 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them?</quote> A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> Sure but how is a cop supposed to know that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/18 5:13:22 PM #84:	spudger posted... cjsdowg posted... someone's got to give you a second chance interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do? It's a little different. Cops legit can shoot someone, it's allowed under their force continuum. Am I okay with it? No, but here we fucking are. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:910188026] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>someone's got to give you a second chance</quote> interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do?</quote> It's a little different. Cops legit can shoot someone, it's allowed under their force continuum. Am I okay with it? No, but here we fucking are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 5:14:40 PM #85:	Twin3Turbo posted... Grischnak posted... SwordMaster13X posted... TheRealDill2000 posted... codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work? Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old? You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected. You're missing the problem here. It's very difficult in the video to see if the kid is actually reaching or not but I don't necessarily have a problem with them shooting him if he was indeed reaching. I understand that they only have a few moments to make a potentially life ending decision. The problem here however is that the cops created that situation to begin with. They did about the dumbest thing you can do in an potential active shooter situation by rolling right up on him, not scoping out the area/situation or approaching from a distance and making their presence known to him and asking him to cooperate. Especially at that time, when Tamir was just sitting there not doing anything. Are you really about to tell me that them aggressively rolling up on him was the best course of action? Especially when we've got plenty of evidence showing that approaching from a distance works better the majority of the time? Really? It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910188104] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SwordMaster13X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> That guy probably felt that his actions were appropriate. Why show remorse over successful work?</quote> Successful work is shooting and killing a 12 year old in an instant? Not even thinking about how to assess the situation but rather go forward with a last resort of action which led to the death of a 12 year old?</quote> You think he should assess the situation when you refuse to do the same? You are only looking at only the end result with full knowledge and hindsight while removing the context of the situation. Deadly force is a justified response in a situation where someone is drawing a gun or seemingly drawing a gun. That is long established and completely reasonable. Almost everyone knows this. I mean, if you had a airsoft gun on you and police pulled up on you would your first reaction be to go for the gun? Hell no. Why? Because you'd get shot. It's sad that the situation involved a child that didn't seem to understand that but the officer's response was pretty much what is expected.</quote> You're missing the problem here. It's very difficult in the video to see if the kid is actually reaching or not but I don't necessarily have a problem with them shooting him if he was indeed reaching. I understand that they only have a few moments to make a potentially life ending decision. The problem here however is that the cops created that situation to begin with. They did about the dumbest thing you can do in an potential active shooter situation by rolling right up on him, not scoping out the area/situation or approaching from a distance and making their presence known to him and asking him to cooperate. Especially at that time, when Tamir was just sitting there not doing anything. Are you really about to tell me that them aggressively rolling up on him was the best course of action? Especially when we've got plenty of evidence showing that approaching from a distance works better the majority of the time? Really?</quote> It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOlJollyRoger 10/08/18 5:16:13 PM #86:	codey posted... Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that. Hes tasted blood now. He wants more. --- psn: googathepirate <cite>TheOlJollyRoger posted [p:910188181] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>codey posted...</cite> <quote>Why would that guy even want to still be a cop? If I fucked my job up so bad that I killed a 12 year old I could never go back to doing that.</quote> Hes tasted blood now. He wants more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 10/08/18 5:41:03 PM #87:	Shinobi120 posted... A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. Look, I'm on the side that agrees that ultimately the cops screwed up here, but I hate this argument. A BB gun isn't "real" but they can indeed seriously injure someone and it's also impossible to know if they are real in many cases until you actually inspect the thing. Grischnak posted... It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner. ? The whole reason the cops were called is because the situation seemed to be a potential active shooter situation. IIRC, they were told the situation was a "Code 1", which is the highest level of urgency for that particular department. Just for clarification sake, when I say potential active shooter situation, I mean that it could turn into one at a moments notice, not that any shooting had already taken place. I'm not an expert on police tactics either but any one can point out that their approach easily escalated the situation. Whether or not he would have done the same thing if they had approached him in a different manner, I dunno, but I do know that aggressively rolling up and shooting him within 3 seconds was stupid. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:910189494] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shinobi120 posted...</cite> <quote>A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> Look, I'm on the side that agrees that ultimately the cops screwed up here, but I hate this argument. A BB gun isn't "real" but they can indeed seriously injure someone and it's also impossible to know if they are real in many cases until you actually inspect the thing. <cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote>It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner.</quote> ? The whole reason the cops were called is because the situation seemed to be a potential active shooter situation. IIRC, they were told the situation was a "Code 1", which is the highest level of urgency for that particular department. Just for clarification sake, when I say potential active shooter situation, I mean that it could turn into one at a moments notice, not that any shooting had already taken place. I'm not an expert on police tactics either but any one can point out that their approach easily escalated the situation. Whether or not he would have done the same thing if they had approached him in a different manner, I dunno, but I do know that aggressively rolling up and shooting him within 3 seconds was stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShangDoh 10/08/18 6:05:30 PM #88:	Shinobi120 posted... Middle hope posted... Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them? A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. It's also hard as ** to tell whether it's a BB or not from a distance unless you examine one up close. --- And when he gets to Heaven, to St. Peter he will tell, one more soldier reporting sir, I have served my time in hell. <cite>ShangDoh posted [p:910190705] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shinobi120 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them?</quote> A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> It's also hard as ** to tell whether it's a BB or not from a distance unless you examine one up close.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/08/18 6:07:26 PM #89:	DrizztLink posted... spudger posted... cjsdowg posted... someone's got to give you a second chance interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do? It's a little different. Cops legit can shoot someone, it's allowed under their force continuum. Am I okay with it? No, but here we fucking are. I would like to get a response. I'm actually curious. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:910190793] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>someone's got to give you a second chance</quote> interesting. we dont give 2nd chances to molesting 12 yr olds, but murdering them we do?</quote> It's a little different. Cops legit can shoot someone, it's allowed under their force continuum. Am I okay with it? No, but here we fucking are.</quote> I would like to get a response. I'm actually curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 7:12:50 PM #90:	Twin3Turbo posted... Shinobi120 posted... A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. Look, I'm on the side that agrees that ultimately the cops screwed up here, but I hate this argument. A BB gun isn't "real" but they can indeed seriously injure someone and it's also impossible to know if they are real in many cases until you actually inspect the thing. Grischnak posted... It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner. ? The whole reason the cops were called is because the situation seemed to be a potential active shooter situation. IIRC, they were told the situation was a "Code 1", which is the highest level of urgency for that particular department. Just for clarification sake, when I say potential active shooter situation, I mean that it could turn into one at a moments notice, not that any shooting had already taken place. I'm not an expert on police tactics either but any one can point out that their approach easily escalated the situation. Whether or not he would have done the same thing if they had approached him in a different manner, I dunno, but I do know that aggressively rolling up and shooting him within 3 seconds was stupid. They got a call that there was a person with a gun pointing it at people at the park. That could have been anything. Random crazy guy. Drug deal gone bad. Domestic disturbance. False alarm. Etc. You don't just jump to active shooter right away. And yeah, they are going to take the call seriously. Any time a gun is said to be on scene it's serious business. <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910194162] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Shinobi120 posted...</cite> <quote>A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> Look, I'm on the side that agrees that ultimately the cops screwed up here, but I hate this argument. A BB gun isn't "real" but they can indeed seriously injure someone and it's also impossible to know if they are real in many cases until you actually inspect the thing. <cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote>It don't think they were considering it a potential active shooter situation. Not everyone with a gun is considered a possible active shooter. That's a pretty specific thing. Maybe they could have used different tactics. I don't know. I'm not an expert on police tactics. I think it varies from department to department actually. Though it's questionable if that would have even changed anything. If his reflex was to pull the gun out(likely to show them it's a airsoft gun), it's very possible he would have done the same thing if they approached him in a different manner.</quote> ? The whole reason the cops were called is because the situation seemed to be a potential active shooter situation. IIRC, they were told the situation was a "Code 1", which is the highest level of urgency for that particular department. Just for clarification sake, when I say potential active shooter situation, I mean that it could turn into one at a moments notice, not that any shooting had already taken place. I'm not an expert on police tactics either but any one can point out that their approach easily escalated the situation. Whether or not he would have done the same thing if they had approached him in a different manner, I dunno, but I do know that aggressively rolling up and shooting him within 3 seconds was stupid.</quote> They got a call that there was a person with a gun pointing it at people at the park. That could have been anything. Random crazy guy. Drug deal gone bad. Domestic disturbance. False alarm. Etc. You don't just jump to active shooter right away. And yeah, they are going to take the call seriously. Any time a gun is said to be on scene it's serious business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/08/18 7:16:04 PM #91:	Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:910194331] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grischnak 10/08/18 7:52:16 PM #92:	VipaGTS posted... Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for. So, taking Tamir out of the conversation, you think cops should not act with aggression towards actual armed criminals? They should just let them...what? Flee? Are you one of those guys that think police should just be abolished? <cite>Grischnak posted [p:910196136] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for.</quote> So, taking Tamir out of the conversation, you think cops should not act with aggression towards actual armed criminals? They should just let them...what? Flee? Are you one of those guys that think police should just be abolished?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/08/18 8:04:50 PM #93:	Yes. I think driving up on the sidewalk right next to someone you think is armed and dangerous and then immediately opening fire...then lying on the police report claiming you gave him several orders to drop the weapon is terrible behavior. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:910196741] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>Yes. I think driving up on the sidewalk right next to someone you think is armed and dangerous and then immediately opening fire...then lying on the police report claiming you gave him several orders to drop the weapon is terrible behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/08/18 8:06:19 PM #94:	acab --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:910196806] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>acab</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 10/08/18 8:15:18 PM #95:	@Shinobi120 posted... Middle hope posted... Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them? A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus. Apparently it was a very realistic looking piece that had the orange identifier removed https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/HT_guns_tamir_rice_01_jef_151228_16x9_992.jpg Now if you saw someone pointing that at people, would you be able to discern without a doubt if it was or was not a real gun from a glance? --- It's thinking... PSN: REexpert44 <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:910197310] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Shinobi120 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Middle hope posted...</cite> <quote>Was tamir rice the one that was pointing a bb gun at people and threatening them?</quote> A BB gun isn't a real gun, doofus.</quote> Apparently it was a very realistic looking piece that had the orange identifier removed https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/HT_guns_tamir_rice_01_jef_151228_16x9_992.jpg Now if you saw someone pointing that at people, would you be able to discern without a doubt if it was or was not a real gun from a glance?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bkkorps 10/08/18 10:13:09 PM #96:	Grischnak posted... VipaGTS posted... Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for. So, taking Tamir out of the conversation, you think cops should not act with aggression towards actual armed criminals? They should just let them...what? Flee? Are you one of those guys that think police should just be abolished? how did the cops respond to the terrorists who took over that wildlife refuge a few years back? They were armed and making direct threats, and the only one that got shot was a suicide by cop. you clear the area and set up a perimeter, you try to deescalate the situation. you dont drive right up to the armed suspect and shoot them dead in seconds. --- Minnesota is like having sex in The Boundary Waters. ****ing close to Canada. <cite>bkkorps posted [p:910204236] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Grischnak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for.</quote> So, taking Tamir out of the conversation, you think cops should not act with aggression towards actual armed criminals? They should just let them...what? Flee? Are you one of those guys that think police should just be abolished?</quote> how did the cops respond to the terrorists who took over that wildlife refuge a few years back? They were armed and making direct threats, and the only one that got shot was a suicide by cop. you clear the area and set up a perimeter, you try to deescalate the situation. you dont drive right up to the armed suspect and shoot them dead in seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shinobi120 10/08/18 10:20:37 PM #97:	VipaGTS posted... Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for. Exactly; He was 12 years old, for pete's sake. <cite>Shinobi120 posted [p:910204665] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Yes they got a call saying that and acted incompetently. They claimed they gave him orders to put it down. The video doesnt even show Rice reacting to anyone speaking to him. It just shows them driving right up to the suspect and opening fire. Even if Rice was an adult with a real gun causing problems that is still a TERRIBLE way to approach that situation. And the video does not at all back up what they put in the police report. So stop with all those they thought he was dangerous! Nonsense. Regardless of what they thought their actions during and after were terrible and not something we should be sticking up for.</quote> Exactly; He was 12 years old, for pete's sake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 10/08/18 10:23:56 PM #98:	It is kind of laughable how many people harp on the fact that it wasn't a real gun. It LOOKED like a real gun. The police are not obligated to wait until they've actually been shot to get confirmation that the weapon is genuine. If you bought an airsoft pistol and painted over the orange barrel marker, went out in public and brandished it, and when the cops showed up you pointed it at them... WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN? They'd shoot your silly ass, obviously. Don't point things that look like guns at the cops. How hard is that? --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:910204846] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>It is kind of laughable how many people harp on the fact that it wasn't a real gun. It LOOKED like a real gun. The police are not obligated to wait until they've actually been shot to get confirmation that the weapon is genuine. If you bought an airsoft pistol and painted over the orange barrel marker, went out in public and brandished it, and when the cops showed up you pointed it at them... WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN? They'd shoot your silly ass, obviously. Don't point things that look like guns at the cops. How hard is that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dusk_ 10/08/18 10:25:51 PM #99:	I blame the parents.. who lets there kid go to a park with a fake gun that looks real. --- ...dusk is the time when men whisper of matters about which they remain silent in the full light of the sun. https://imgur.com/aCDRb27 <cite>Dusk_ posted [p:910204959] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote>I blame the parents.. who lets there kid go to a park with a fake gun that looks real.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/08/18 10:27:06 PM #100:	Dusk_ posted... I blame the parents.. who lets there kid go to a park with a fake gun that looks real. Sure. You can blame them for that. I also blame the cops for being negligent and handling the situation terribly. There is plenty of blame to go around. It doesnt have to be a contest for who gets it all. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:910205039] in The Cop wh... [t:77074492]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dusk_ posted...</cite> <quote>I blame the parents.. who lets there kid go to a park with a fake gun that looks real.</quote> Sure. You can blame them for that. I also blame the cops for being negligent and handling the situation terribly. There is plenty of blame to go around. It doesnt have to be a contest for who gets it all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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